craigyboy 1,274 Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 should never give a dog chicken wings or bones, Come on they splinter theyve taken over the asylum Quote Link to post Share on other sites
T78 4 Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 mine get raw meat and bones with a bit of complete thrown, in but no veg and never had any problems. i notice a few people feed whole fish to their dogs,is this ok?i've considered it a few times but never have..(they get fish but not whole) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wiskers 0 Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 nothing wrong in feeding fish whole and it full of viteamins Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Neal 1,873 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 When I started feeding raw a little over ten years ago I bought a liquidizer or food processor or something and religiously gave them a mix of fruit, veg, yogurt etc. However, I now find it easier to simply give them table scraps and bits and bobs while I'm preparing the food. For example, mine will eat raw broccoli heart etc. and this time of year they usually get to my wind-fall apples before I do. As skycat and others have said, the key is variety...and not getting too hung up about exact proportions. If they're healthy they're healthy! Oh; I also have a fourteen month old son so they get to clean the floor around his high-chair too! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
driller killer 33 Posted October 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 Like the idea of not eating cow shit, my pups just decided she loves the taste of chicken shite, found her the other day she had managed to squeeze her front half under the gate to the chicken run and was munching away while been watched by several less than impressed looking chooks.makes sence as well, they have got to be after something in the cow shite. I know what you mean pitindall, havent relly started my pups new diet yet, want her to settle in her new home first (first bit of chicken tonight though) but the thing about feeding whole fish, im sure its fine, but i suppose its years of been told of the chocking hazard just makes it feel a bit dodgy. Any rules about whatb kind of fish to and not to feed? size of bones etc? Cheers Neil Quote Link to post Share on other sites
driller killer 33 Posted October 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 Just gave my pup her first raw chicken leg, she was asleep i waved it by her nose and christ she woke up!! COMPLETELY different reaction from her usual dry food. Hopefully i have attached a picture of when we picked her up last mon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 24,602 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 should never give a dog chicken wings or bones, Come on they splinter Fed my dogs RAW chicken bones for years, never had a problem ! Cheers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DEERMAN 1,020 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 should never give a dog chicken wings or bones, Come on they splinter only if cooked Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ellir0305 9 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 should never give a dog chicken wings or bones, Come on they splinter only if cooked are rabbit bones the same? ok raw but dodgy when cooked. i feed my springer/collie on complete dry but have over the last few days been mixing in cooked rabbit meat and juice as well as vegetables. he is looking bettr already and his shits are firmer instead of runny. i have been giving him apples and rasberries from the garden too. he is having cooked breast of lamb mince with it tomorrow(i cooked it to get rid of a lot of fat) is this necessary or can he have his meat raw? i am a little worried about him getting a dodgy stomach. are there any veg/fruits he shouldnt eat (other than grapes which he keeps trying to eat) and is adding tinned fish and yoghurt fine too? sorry for all the questions i just want him to have a better diet than plain dry food. oh yeah any books i should read? thanks atb rob Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rainmaker 7 Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Virtually all bones are fine - perfect, in fact - when raw. Conversely, it's safe to say all are potentially lethal when cooked as they splinter and shatter - some more than others though. About the only raw bones to avoid are heavy weight bearing bones, especially those of ungulates (cows etc). They're just too dense and, especially when cut down in size like knuckle bones or maybe sawn in half lengthways, can snap dogs' teeth fairly easily as they act like a fulcrum! Avoid all cooked bones, period. Feed it raw and on the bone, in big pieces so he has to chew and tear at his food. Ideally food items should be as big as (or bigger than) his head so he really has to work at them. Whole carcases, or pieces as 'whole' as possible, are best - on the bone, with plenty of meat covering. It's about the only non-surgical way to prevent periodontal disease. It's far better to feed a large lump, which if necessary can be removed to a fridge or similar in a carrier bag when the dog's taken his fill for the day, than to feed small pieces that hardly need chewing. Chewing, ripping, gnawing and tearing clean and massage teeth and gums at every meal; vital for dogs. Commercial foods (biscuits, canned, morsels, all of them) are, or become, soft and pappy in the mouth and lodge in the gingival margins facilitating periodontal disease. You can feed pretty much whatever you like fruit and veggie wise, within reason (and below 20% to 30% of the total dietary intake) but they certainly aren't essential. Unless pulverised/liquidised the dog won't really be able to digest or utilise them anyway which tbh says a lot about a dog's requirements for them, or lack thereof. Tinned fish is great, especially the oily stuff, once or twice a week. Whole raw fish are even better (mackerel, trout, sardines etc are all cheap) but I find unless dogs are used to them from being pups, they often refuse as adults. They'll usually still accept cooked/canned fish though (NO BONES from cooked fish!). Again a blob of yoghurt shouldn't hurt but bear in mind not all dogs will tolerate dairy as it's not a particularly natural foodstuff, but then neither is grain. Have a read of Tom Lonsdale's books; Raw Meaty Bones - Promote Health, and Work Wonders - Feed Raw Meaty Bones. The first is a big thick scientific type book, and can be heavy going. The second is a smaller, handy pocket sized over-view with a bit of background biology, tips and raw feeding info. RMB is like the "why?" and WW is the "how" So long as you aim for ~70% raw meaty bones, say ~5% organ meat and ~25% "table scraps" (canned fish, fruit/veg if you like, leftovers from human meals etc) you're laughing. Some people like to use a 'high quality' kibble as part of the 30% "just in case" and that's your prerogative. Don't feed them together at the same time, though. www.rawmeatybones.com www.ukrmb.co.uk www.rawfed.com (check out the myths page too) They should get you started Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mac 30 Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 A good butcher helps, i get 3 of these large meaty bones per week, free. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ellir0305 9 Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 A good butcher helps, i get 3 of these large meaty bones per week, free. we slaughtered our lambs today so there will be plenty of meat for the dog in scraps and bones but there were a pair of loppers covered in blood (used for taking the legs and head off) by the door earlier, my dog starting sniffing and licking them, when i told him to leave he ignored me which isnt normal, then i tried to move him away and he growled and fully went for me, luckily he only young so didnt cause any damage, but a firm no and a smacked bum put him pack in his docile submisive state. an old bloke told me not to feed raw as it made dogs revert to wild insticts, and i ignored the old bloke as mad but he(the dog) has never acted like this before at all. is there any truth there or should i repeat the exercise to reinforce my role as pack leader and own the food? atb rob Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rainmaker 7 Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Rob, you might find the info I posted for you above interesting. If you read the rawfed.com myths page as suggested, one of them is about this very topic. See HERE. At the end of the day you have to use common sense. Yes the little sod challenged you (food guarding) and yes you needed to correct that behaviour. But think about it mate. How many lads on here are feeding raw, and have done for donkey's years without incident? Actually the fact you DON'T feed raw is what caused the incident, if anything. The dog isn't used to 'real' food, and as soon as he had a chance of some crafty rawness in his diet (a massive, rare treat in his eyes), you threatened to take it away, so the dog reacted - albeit out of turn and against his pack leader. If he was eating raw day in and day out (i.e. it wasn't such a preciously rare commodity) he wouldn't have thought twice about it, would he? Raw feeding does not make dogs vicious or aggressive. Quite the opposite in fact. Still, do work on those food guarding/dominance issues while he's young. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ellir0305 9 Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 thankyou very much for your help rainmaker , this section does seem to be really good for information without abuse and name calling which is a nice change. i will carry on the work the food gaurding but i think i may have an issue with meaty bones; every time he get a meaty bone to chews it right up everything gone and then he gets the squirts really light coloured and bad. i cant afford to feed fully and BARF or whatever the technical name is so i want to do it supplementary as well and dry. is raw mince without the bones ok mixed with his complete dry or with rice/pasta because i know someone else with the same cross as mine (same mother as well) and their's has a funny stomach too which is very sensetive to overfeeding/ major change in food. thanks for the help i will have a look at that link now Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Attack Fell Terrier 864 Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 should never give a dog chicken wings or bones, Come on they splinter You ain't got a clue if that's what you truly think. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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