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[UNFIT 0]

think a lot a people need tae ask what stamina means...................

that is what im getting at

 

 

Its just energy be it mental or physical.atb. Catcher

could not agree more .:and i thought no one would say it .

if some of you took the time to read the thread ,you would have seen this the answer i was looking for , , simple as ,nothing more nothing less ,looks like some one else knows his dogs ..and how do i obtain it in a dog ,simple plenty of work and build the lungs and heart up from very young ,because you wont get the same results with a old dog because they would have developed 90 percent of their lung and heart capacity already .that is why some one that trains daily will always out run some one that does not .in case you have never noticed . Edited October 27, 2009 by UNFIT

[merle24 61]

think a lot a people need tae ask what stamina means...................

that is what im getting at

 

 

Its just energy be it mental or physical.atb. Catcher

could not agree more .:and i thought no one would say it .

if some of you took the time to read the thread ,you would have seen this the answer i was looking for , , simple as ,nothing more nothing less ,looks like some one else knows his dogs ..and how do i obtain it in a dog ,simple plenty of work and build the lungs and heart up from very young ,because you wont get the same results with a old dog because they would have developed 90 percent of their lung and heart capacity already .

 

Stamina can only be built by pushing the body to the max in areobic resperation into anerobic resperation, to condition the body to take longer to reach the point of anerobic resperation and perform better and longer when this point is reached, prolonging the buildup of lactic acid.

Now i dont know about you but i am not in the thinking that pushing a 3 month old pup too and beyond the point of lactic build up will be doing it any good, as at this age the pup needs all the nutrients proteins and amino acids to aid muscle and tissue and organ growth and development, doing so would be burning off much needed fuel and i would image would either make or break a pup, but that maybe the whole idea of youre rearing technics, to make or break !

[UNFIT 0]

think a lot a people need tae ask what stamina means...................

that is what im getting at

 

 

Its just energy be it mental or physical.atb. Catcher

could not agree more .:and i thought no one would say it .

if some of you took the time to read the thread ,you would have seen this the answer i was looking for , , simple as ,nothing more nothing less ,looks like some one else knows his dogs ..and how do i obtain it in a dog ,simple plenty of work and build the lungs and heart up from very young ,because you wont get the same results with a old dog because they would have developed 90 percent of their lung and heart capacity already .

 

Stamina can only be built by pushing the body to the max in areobic resperation into anerobic resperation, to condition the body to take longer to reach the point of anerobic resperation and perform better and longer when this point is reached, prolonging the buildup of lactic acid.

Now i dont know about you but i am not in the thinking that pushing a 3 month old pup too and beyond the point of lactic build up will be doing it any good, as at this age the pup needs all the nutrients proteins and amino acids to aid muscle and tissue and organ growth and development, doing so would be burning off much needed fuel and i would image would either make or break a pup, but that maybe the whole idea of youre rearing technics, to make or break !

where have i ever said i push them to such a extent , i must be doing some thing right ,i have not broke a dog yet .and as for food ,well you wont get much better than venison ,how many other people do you know will feed this most days to there dog ,and i dont mean the rubbish bits ,mine gets all of it .some thing else i was show by the person that told me to start them early in life . ::that is where a lot go wrong ,feeding crap dried or tin food . Edited October 27, 2009 by UNFIT

[merle24 61]

But to answer youre origanal question," how can you tell if youre dog has plenty of stamina" i would have thought that it would be pretty obvious to tell whether youre dog has good stamina when out and about working, recovery rate from runs, the amount of runs the dog can make without going sluggish, and the way it deals with a long run.

Edited October 27, 2009 by merle24

[UNFIT 0]

But to answer youre origanal question," how can you tell if youre do has plenty of stamina" i would have thought that it would be pretty obvious to tell whether youre do has good stamina when out and about working, recovery rate from runs, the amount of runs the dog can make without going sluggish, and the way it deals with a long run.

[merle24 61]

think a lot a people need tae ask what stamina means...................

that is what im getting at

 

 

Its just energy be it mental or physical.atb. Catcher

could not agree more .:and i thought no one would say it .

if some of you took the time to read the thread ,you would have seen this the answer i was looking for , , simple as ,nothing more nothing less ,looks like some one else knows his dogs ..and how do i obtain it in a dog ,simple plenty of work and build the lungs and heart up from very young ,because you wont get the same results with a old dog because they would have developed 90 percent of their lung and heart capacity already .

 

Stamina can only be built by pushing the body to the max in areobic resperation into anerobic resperation, to condition the body to take longer to reach the point of anerobic resperation and perform better and longer when this point is reached, prolonging the buildup of lactic acid.

Now i dont know about you but i am not in the thinking that pushing a 3 month old pup too and beyond the point of lactic build up will be doing it any good, as at this age the pup needs all the nutrients proteins and amino acids to aid muscle and tissue and organ growth and development, doing so would be burning off much needed fuel and i would image would either make or break a pup, but that maybe the whole idea of youre rearing technics, to make or break !

where have i ever said i push them to such a extent , i must be doing some thing right ,i have not broke a dog yet .and as for food ,well you wont get much better than venison ,how many other people do you know will feed this most days to there dog ,and i dont mean the rubbish bits ,mine gets all of it .some thing else i was show by the person that told me to start them early in life . ::that is where a lot go wrong ,feeding crap dried or tin food .

 

Not everybody feeds there dogs and pups on crap food mate, its called a ballanced diet mate, yes venison meat will be a good source of raw protein, but its not just about raw protein, its about a balance carbs, roughage, mineral supplements, essential oils, some dried dog foods are not as crap as you may think, 32 % protein foods high in essential oils and carbs for energy are readily available. Venison will be good for dogs obviously but i wouldnt just feed that alone,, and not everybody has a unlimited supply of it do they,,keep it real mate, i like to feed rabbits and the odd hare sometimes, but not all the time.

Edited October 27, 2009 by merle24

[slips 114]

think a lot a people need tae ask what stamina means...................

that is what im getting at

 

 

Its just energy be it mental or physical.atb. Catcher

could not agree more .:and i thought no one would say it .

if some of you took the time to read the thread ,you would have seen this the answer i was looking for , , simple as ,nothing more nothing less ,looks like some one else knows his dogs ..and how do i obtain it in a dog ,simple plenty of work and build the lungs and heart up from very young ,because you wont get the same results with a old dog because they would have developed 90 percent of their lung and heart capacity already .

 

Stamina can only be built by pushing the body to the max in areobic resperation into anerobic resperation, to condition the body to take longer to reach the point of anerobic resperation and perform better and longer when this point is reached, prolonging the buildup of lactic acid.

Now i dont know about you but i am not in the thinking that pushing a 3 month old pup too and beyond the point of lactic build up will be doing it any good, as at this age the pup needs all the nutrients proteins and amino acids to aid muscle and tissue and organ growth and development, doing so would be burning off much needed fuel and i would image would either make or break a pup, but that maybe the whole idea of youre rearing technics, to make or break !

where have i ever said i push them to such a extent , i must be doing some thing right ,i have not broke a dog yet .and as for food ,well you wont get much better than venison ,how many other people do you know will feed this most days to there dog ,and i dont mean the rubbish bits ,mine gets all of it .some thing else i was show by the person that told me to start them early in life . ::that is where a lot go wrong ,feeding crap dried or tin food .

 

Not everybody feeds there dogs and pups on crap food mate, its called a ballanced diet mate, yes venison meat will be a good source of raw protein, but its not just about raw protein, its about a balance carbs, roughage, mineral supplements, essential oils, some dried dog foods are not as crap as you may think, 32 % protein foods high in essential oils and carbs for energy are readily available. Venison will be good for dogs obviously but i wouldnt just feed that alone,, and not everybody has a unlimited supply of it do they,,keep it real mate, i like to feed rabbits and the odd hare sometimes, but not all the time.

animal fats what give dogs energy we need carbs for energy i only feed died food spairinly

[slips 114]

well in my time with running dogs theres only one type of dog i av. this is a dog with stamia all the dogs i no thats got plently have a certian chest shape ? what goes with these chests what i think is a strong heart and bigger heart vales what gets plenty of oxegan into the mussal . does any body no what shape chest im on about

[whin 463]

ye got a collie type here with lots of wind and no saluk in her she could do a real shift and then some more but alas not a great pet dog,stamina in adog is when they chase a hare 10 minutes there ready for the next one majoruty of stamina comes from selective breeding and good dogmanship full stop , lot of dogs learn to run within there self got some here that go as fast as they need to then when they drop a gear there o n it quick its called selective breeding of the best you can try and get , like top fen dogs sniper chuck etc they have been selectivly bred for wind and pace , and if you are clever to breed the [bANNED TEXT] type of dog into them you get very good types of dogs ,my dogs get fed what they catch or what theycatch plus biscuit veg etc and anything i can catch fish etc ps when its cold up here in scotland you need more than venison to keep the wait on a dog ,chicken pasta all sorts , whole part of flushing bigger game is to punt it on or eat it but not give the dogs it unless scraps and offal ,

[whippet 99 2,613]

think a lot a people need tae ask what stamina means...................

that is what im getting at

 

 

Its just energy be it mental or physical.atb. Catcher

could not agree more .:and i thought no one would say it .

if some of you took the time to read the thread ,you would have seen this the answer i was looking for , , simple as ,nothing more nothing less ,looks like some one else knows his dogs ..and how do i obtain it in a dog ,simple plenty of work and build the lungs and heart up from very young ,because you wont get the same results with a old dog because they would have developed 90 percent of their lung and heart capacity already .that is why some one that trains daily will always out run some one that does not .in case you have never noticed .

define stamina in your own words and explain in greater depth about your training of young dogs to give them stamina, instead of stating the obvious,

i exercise dogs from a young age, to build the lung and heart up . thats common sense exercise = healthy dog , obviously with the correct diet.

you have dodged another question, or cant you exsplain yourself yet again, every idiot knows you wont get the same results from an old dog.

the conclusion im getting is everybody answers for you , and you just agree disagree. i think your full of it

[James Doyle 59]

STAMINA,lets sort out who knows and who does not . , and how to obtain it ,after all it is mentioned so often .

 

get him pumpin it into bitches give him gud stayin power!!!!

[merle24 61]

well in my time with running dogs theres only one type of dog i av. this is a dog with stamia all the dogs i no thats got plently have a certian chest shape ? what goes with these chests what i think is a strong heart and bigger heart vales what gets plenty of oxegan into the mussal . does any body no what shape chest im on about

 

I think the type of chest youre on about is not just a deep chest associated with a running dog, but also the width of the chest, if a dog has a wide ribcage aswell as a deep one it will have a greater lung capacity than a dog with a deep but narrow chest. Bigger lung capacity= more efficient delivery of oxygen to the working muscles therefore greater stamina potential.

Look at alot of whippets built for short bursts, they have deep but narrow chests, a dog that is not renound for its stamina but for pure explosive speed, also comming in greyhounds, although many coursing bred greyhounds may have a wider rib cage that the sprinting type.

Now if you look at the saluki, the ultimate stamina dog, i have noticed that some have fairly narrow but very deep chest, yet others that i have seen have very wide barrel rib cages but also deep, i would put money on it that the narrow chested saluki would be racier and not have asmuch wind as the saluki with bigger rib cage lung capacity. This was also pointed out to me by a very good dog man and friend, who is a pure out and out hare man after years of lamping, he always looks for a good wide deep chest in his dogs, and his saluki cross lurchers are second to none, i have never seen dogs run hare like these feild or fen makes no differance, he is on this site but keeps a low profile as he does with his dogs. Feeds them hare from a young age and always keeps two or threee back from a litter to see the differance and end up settling on one, I have known him get rid or very very good dogs that hes bred and brought on himself that i would not dream of getting rid of, but whats a good dog to one person maynot be a good dog to the next man. To the people they have gone to they have killed more hares with them in two weeks than they would do all year, but when you have better in the pen from previous breedings such a dog is not worth keeping to him. This alite attitude and experiance is what creates good dogs, some people can make a good dog out of pet bred dog that would shame most, but give that person a well bred working dog and they mould it into something very special. A dog is what you make of it at the end of the day, good breeding workers to workers is the only way to go, but this alone should not be relied upon to produce a good dog, the more effort you put into something the more you get out of it.

[UNFIT 0]

think a lot a people need tae ask what stamina means...................

that is what im getting at

 

 

Its just energy be it mental or physical.atb. Catcher

could not agree more .:and i thought no one would say it .

if some of you took the time to read the thread ,you would have seen this the answer i was looking for , , simple as ,nothing more nothing less ,looks like some one else knows his dogs ..and how do i obtain it in a dog ,simple plenty of work and build the lungs and heart up from very young ,because you wont get the same results with a old dog because they would have developed 90 percent of their lung and heart capacity already .

 

Stamina can only be built by pushing the body to the max in areobic resperation into anerobic resperation, to condition the body to take longer to reach the point of anerobic resperation and perform better and longer when this point is reached, prolonging the buildup of lactic acid.

Now i dont know about you but i am not in the thinking that pushing a 3 month old pup too and beyond the point of lactic build up will be doing it any good, as at this age the pup needs all the nutrients proteins and amino acids to aid muscle and tissue and organ growth and development, doing so would be burning off much needed fuel and i would image would either make or break a pup, but that maybe the whole idea of youre rearing technics, to make or break !

where have i ever said i push them to such a extent , i must be doing some thing right ,i have not broke a dog yet .and as for food ,well you wont get much better than venison ,how many other people do you know will feed this most days to there dog ,and i dont mean the rubbish bits ,mine gets all of it .some thing else i was show by the person that told me to start them early in life . ::that is where a lot go wrong ,feeding crap dried or tin food .

 

Not everybody feeds there dogs and pups on crap food mate, its called a ballanced diet mate, yes venison meat will be a good source of raw protein, but its not just about raw protein, its about a balance carbs, roughage, mineral supplements, essential oils, some dried dog foods are not as crap as you may think, 32 % protein foods high in essential oils and carbs for energy are readily available. Venison will be good for dogs obviously but i wouldnt just feed that alone,, and not everybody has a unlimited supply of it do they,,keep it real mate, i like to feed rabbits and the odd hare sometimes, but not all the time.

you was pointing out that a pup would need a very good diet ,i said what mine gets ,so you think bag food is the best ,i sugest you look into it you will find it is not controled what can go into it .by the way i wonder what the top preditors gets by on , O of course baged dog food

[UNFIT 0]

well in my time with running dogs theres only one type of dog i av. this is a dog with stamia all the dogs i no thats got plently have a certian chest shape ? what goes with these chests what i think is a strong heart and bigger heart vales what gets plenty of oxegan into the mussal . does any body no what shape chest im on about

 

I think the type of chest youre on about is not just a deep chest associated with a running dog, but also the width of the chest, if a dog has a wide ribcage aswell as a deep one it will have a greater lung capacity than a dog with a deep but narrow chest. Bigger lung capacity= more efficient delivery of oxygen to the working muscles therefore greater stamina potential.

Look at alot of whippets built for short bursts, they have deep but narrow chests, a dog that is not renound for its stamina but for pure explosive speed, also comming in greyhounds, although many coursing bred greyhounds may have a wider rib cage that the sprinting type.

Now if you look at the saluki, the ultimate stamina dog, i have noticed that some have fairly narrow but very deep chest, yet others that i have seen have very wide barrel rib cages but also deep, i would put money on it that the narrow chested saluki would be racier and not have asmuch wind as the saluki with bigger rib cage lung capacity. This was also pointed out to me by a very good dog man and friend, who is a pure out and out hare man after years of lamping, he always looks for a good wide deep chest in his dogs, and his saluki cross lurchers are second to none, i have never seen dogs run hare like these feild or fen makes no differance, he is on this site but keeps a low profile as he does with his dogs. Feeds them hare from a young age and always keeps two or threee back from a litter to see the differance and end up settling on one, I have known him get rid or very very good dogs that hes bred and brought on himself that i would not dream of getting rid of, but whats a good dog to one person maynot be a good dog to the next man. To the people they have gone to they have killed more hares with them in two weeks than they would do all year, but when you have better in the pen from previous breedings such a dog is not worth keeping to him. This alite attitude and experiance is what creates good dogs, some people can make a good dog out of pet bred dog that would shame most, but give that person a well bred working dog and they mould it into something very special. A dog is what you make of it at the end of the day, good breeding workers to workers is the only way to go, but this alone should not be relied upon to produce a good dog, the more effort you put into something the more you get out of it.

just like you write in the last part of this post .,,SOME PEOPLE CAN MAKE A GOOD DOG OUT OF A PET BRED DOG THAT WOULD SHAME MOST ,BUT GIVE THAT PERSON A WELL BRED WORKING DOG AND THEY WILL MOULD IT INTO SOME THING VERY SPECIAL ,,no truer words written ,YOU EITHER GOT IT OR YOU HAVE NOT , in my case i HAVE ,end of this questioning from those that dont ,end of subject from me .do your own thing if it makes you happy .

[davidlloyd 16]

well in my time with running dogs theres only one type of dog i av. this is a dog with stamia all the dogs i no thats got plently have a certian chest shape ? what goes with these chests what i think is a strong heart and bigger heart vales what gets plenty of oxegan into the mussal . does any body no what shape chest im on about

 

I think the type of chest youre on about is not just a deep chest associated with a running dog, but also the width of the chest, if a dog has a wide ribcage aswell as a deep one it will have a greater lung capacity than a dog with a deep but narrow chest. Bigger lung capacity= more efficient delivery of oxygen to the working muscles therefore greater stamina potential.

Look at alot of whippets built for short bursts, they have deep but narrow chests, a dog that is not renound for its stamina but for pure explosive speed, also comming in greyhounds, although many coursing bred greyhounds may have a wider rib cage that the sprinting type.

Now if you look at the saluki, the ultimate stamina dog, i have noticed that some have fairly narrow but very deep chest, yet others that i have seen have very wide barrel rib cages but also deep, i would put money on it that the narrow chested saluki would be racier and not have asmuch wind as the saluki with bigger rib cage lung capacity. This was also pointed out to me by a very good dog man and friend, who is a pure out and out hare man after years of lamping, he always looks for a good wide deep chest in his dogs, and his saluki cross lurchers are second to none, i have never seen dogs run hare like these feild or fen makes no differance, he is on this site but keeps a low profile as he does with his dogs. Feeds them hare from a young age and always keeps two or threee back from a litter to see the differance and end up settling on one, I have known him get rid or very very good dogs that hes bred and brought on himself that i would not dream of getting rid of, but whats a good dog to one person maynot be a good dog to the next man. To the people they have gone to they have killed more hares with them in two weeks than they would do all year, but when you have better in the pen from previous breedings such a dog is not worth keeping to him. This alite attitude and experiance is what creates good dogs, some people can make a good dog out of pet bred dog that would shame most, but give that person a well bred working dog and they mould it into something very special. A dog is what you make of it at the end of the day, good breeding workers to workers is the only way to go, but this alone should not be relied upon to produce a good dog, the more effort you put into something the more you get out of it.

just like you write in the last part of this post .,,SOME PEOPLE CAN MAKE A GOOD DOG OUT OF A PET BRED DOG THAT WOULD SHAME MOST ,BUT GIVE THAT PERSON A WELL BRED WORKING DOG AND THEY WILL MOULD IT INTO SOME THING VERY SPECIAL ,,no truer words written ,YOU EITHER GOT IT OR YOU HAVE NOT , in my case i HAVE ,end of this questioning from those that dont ,end of subject from me .do your own thing if it makes you happy .

can you tell me more mate