whin 463 Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 most dogs learn to work at aslower pace if out alot ,but you still need the gears to get there ecpecaily localy on these big winter wheat feilds were the prey no they have a wood etc to get to no pace and well you can be tail chaseing for sure, as you cant always get close slips ,ive saw half cross alsaitions not get to grips with a good roe or hare and collie crosses to , only strong pacy types seem to do well and if tyutured rote learn to run within there self saluks as well ,but takes a clever understanding of a ma and his dog to get the best whatever cross but no pace some nites no game Quote Link to post
UNFIT 0 Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 most dogs learn to work at aslower pace if out alot ,but you still need the gears to get there ecpecaily localy on these big winter wheat feilds were the prey no they have a wood etc to get to no pace and well you can be tail chaseing for sure, as you cant always get close slips ,ive saw half cross alsaitions not get to grips with a good roe or hare and collie crosses to , only strong pacy types seem to do well and if tyutured rote learn to run within there self saluks as well ,but takes a clever understanding of a ma and his dog to get the best whatever cross but no pace some nites no gamethat is when you learn to be good at your job ,and if you learn your dog at a early age to work the lamp loose and always be a good distance in front of you instead of being by your side ,then it is half way to the game before it has to start running .,we all do it different ,that is a way i picked up on 20 odd yeas ago and has made life a lot easier than keep on sliping ,and waiting for the dog to come back to you ,so you can put the slip back on ,plus you dont have to keep on calling it back .or waiting for it to get over a fence ,that is what brain can help achieve .rather than speed . Quote Link to post
awen 29 Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 most dogs learn to work at aslower pace if out alot ,but you still need the gears to get there ecpecaily localy on these big winter wheat feilds were the prey no they have a wood etc to get to no pace and well you can be tail chaseing for sure, as you cant always get close slips ,ive saw half cross alsaitions not get to grips with a good roe or hare and collie crosses to , only strong pacy types seem to do well and if tyutured rote learn to run within there self saluks as well ,but takes a clever understanding of a ma and his dog to get the best whatever cross but no pace some nites no gamethat is when you learn to be good at your job ,and if you learn your dog at a early age to work the lamp loose and always be a good distance in front of you instead of being by your side ,then it is half way to the game before it has to start running .,we all do it different ,that is a way i picked up on 20 odd yeas ago and has made life a lot easier than keep on sliping ,and waiting for the dog to come back to you ,so you can put the slip back on ,plus you dont have to keep on calling it back .or waiting for it to get over a fence ,that is what brain can help achieve .rather than speed . how do you get your dog working in that fashion unfit? Quote Link to post
skycat 6,173 Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Unfit: have you actually ever seen a well reared, well educated Saluki or Saluki cross work? The only thing wrong with most dogs of this type is the owners. these dogs need a lot of freedom to learn, and understanding and patient owner who will allow the dog the time to learn, and the ground and game for the dog to learn on. Most Saluki types are ruined by owners who only take them out and slip them on game: and as for tearing everywhere at 90 miles and hour: all I can say is that you can't have seen a decent one working: like I said: most dogs of this type never get the chance to learn anything as they are owned by people who haven't the first idea of how to handle them.................. and getting back to the original question posted: IMO these pups would not be a good mix for a beginner in lurchers: they could throw either way with some coming out with the GSD brain and biddability, and some coming out with the Saluki temperament plus the GSD drive: OMG no way! Quote Link to post
UNFIT 0 Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 most dogs learn to work at aslower pace if out alot ,but you still need the gears to get there ecpecaily localy on these big winter wheat feilds were the prey no they have a wood etc to get to no pace and well you can be tail chaseing for sure, as you cant always get close slips ,ive saw half cross alsaitions not get to grips with a good roe or hare and collie crosses to , only strong pacy types seem to do well and if tyutured rote learn to run within there self saluks as well ,but takes a clever understanding of a ma and his dog to get the best whatever cross but no pace some nites no gamethat is when you learn to be good at your job ,and if you learn your dog at a early age to work the lamp loose and always be a good distance in front of you instead of being by your side ,then it is half way to the game before it has to start running .,we all do it different ,that is a way i picked up on 20 odd yeas ago and has made life a lot easier than keep on sliping ,and waiting for the dog to come back to you ,so you can put the slip back on ,plus you dont have to keep on calling it back .or waiting for it to get over a fence ,that is what brain can help achieve .rather than speed . how do you get your dog working in that fashion unfit? wait and see . Quote Link to post
UNFIT 0 Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Unfit: have you actually ever seen a well reared, well educated Saluki or Saluki cross work? The only thing wrong with most dogs of this type is the owners. these dogs need a lot of freedom to learn, and understanding and patient owner who will allow the dog the time to learn, and the ground and game for the dog to learn on. Most Saluki types are ruined by owners who only take them out and slip them on game: and as for tearing everywhere at 90 miles and hour: all I can say is that you can't have seen a decent one working: like I said: most dogs of this type never get the chance to learn anything as they are owned by people who haven't the first idea of how to handle them.................. and getting back to the original question posted: IMO these pups would not be a good mix for a beginner in lurchers: they could throw either way with some coming out with the GSD brain and biddability, and some coming out with the Saluki temperament plus the GSD drive: OMG no way! yes a lot ,but i do agree with most of what you say . Quote Link to post
stormyboy 1,352 Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 I've heard it said that salukis are too intelligent to train,preferring to do their own bidding rather than obey commands!! :stupid: Quote Link to post
Meerihunter 7 Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 (edited) It's a ridiculous cross IMHO, tell me what improvements for hunting they bring to a Saluki? I can't think of one. It is a complete backward step to produce something that you will use to produce something that still won't be anything better than a Saluki and a SalukiXGreyhound anyway so what is the point. simple ,BRAIN ,some thing i personaly think a saluki lacks big time ,that is why i have never or ever would own one . With this BRAIN that Salukis apparently lack, it will be a better hunting dog because it can do.................What that a Saluki can't?? learn to work at a slower pace and catch a lot more game .not rip and tear every where at 90 miles a hour , Still nothing that a pure saluki could not do better at. Salukis are more capable of steadying up and thinking behind quarry than most running dogs anyone that has run Saluki types will tell you how efficient and adaptable they are. IMO the GSD will do nothing but degrade the Salukis ability, I've seen plenty of footage and photo's of large sheepdog X salukis in their COO and they are good for nothing but guarding flocks or for flushing to the salukis to some degree, they simple do not have the speed or agilty of pure Saluki. A GSDXGrey would be a totally different kettle of fish. Edited October 18, 2009 by Meerihunter Quote Link to post
iceman001979 1,316 Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 ppl are nuts breeding like this this pups will end up dead with in ayear or passed on and on and on its a joke breeding dogs like this ppl trying get a few£££££££££££££ look u only breed dogs if u need 1 not 2 make £££££££££££ or 2 c how the breeding will go. for 1 breeding these 2 dogs together where does the speed come from they may hope there running there dogs in the plains off the usa so they can turn what there chaseing thats y ppl go for sulk greyhound speed and staying on. what are u going hunt with these pups please some 1 in the love off god till me Quote Link to post
littletimmy 71 Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 and as ive already said GSD crosses have amazing power endurance and stamina, they have the brains and obidience of a colliex with the power and drive of a bullx, You have either seen some very game gsd x's or some SHITE bull x's. Quote Link to post
littletimmy 71 Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 give them a wide berth mate stay well away &150 jokeif it ends up caching 300 rabbits in its life time it will have payed for its self 2times over ,so the price is nothing to go on . IF being the biggest word in that statement Quote Link to post
iceman001979 1,316 Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 It's a riculous cross IMHO, tell me what improvements for hunting they bring to a Saluki? I can't think of one. It is a complete backward step to produce something that you will use to produce something that still won't be anything better than a Saluki and a SalukiXGreyhound anyway so what is the point. you could say that about any dog, its just like saying whats the point in bringing collie to a lurcher, whats the point in bringing a bull to a lurcher, i really cant see how people can like all of these crosses and dogs in lurchers, but judge the GSD cross and say its no good no 1 grings collie or bull 2 a lucher its 2 a greyhound there is a big diff Quote Link to post
Gripper 1 Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 It's a riculous cross IMHO, tell me what improvements for hunting they bring to a Saluki? I can't think of one. It is a complete backward step to produce something that you will use to produce something that still won't be anything better than a Saluki and a SalukiXGreyhound anyway so what is the point. you could say that about any dog, its just like saying whats the point in bringing collie to a lurcher, whats the point in bringing a bull to a lurcher, i really cant see how people can like all of these crosses and dogs in lurchers, but judge the GSD cross and say its no good no 1 grings collie or bull 2 a lucher its 2 a greyhound there is a big diff and dont you think it would be better bringing a gsdxsaluki to a greyhound then a gsd? Quote Link to post
Gripper 1 Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 and as ive already said GSD crosses have amazing power endurance and stamina, they have the brains and obidience of a colliex with the power and drive of a bullx, You have either seen some very game gsd x's or some SHITE bull x's. not AS much power of a bull x and not AS a collie.. in the middle just what you need perect Quote Link to post
Meerihunter 7 Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 Or you could just bred a good proven SalukiXGreyhound to a good proven GSDXGreyhound at least both would servicable running dogs. What use will your GSDxSaluki be other than to cross with a Grey? Likely it would disposed of once it has full filled that purpose. Like I say IMO it's backward way of producing a useful lurcher. Quote Link to post
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