wht r dave hancocks dog like

[Moorman 1 1,376]

I can't be bothered to get into this arguement,but I feel that I should put a few people straight on a few points.Hancock produces genuine Collie lurchers.They are bred from a Greyhound that has either raced or coursed and a collie from some of the finest working lines around.Basically if you mate any dog to a sighthound the young if shown game will work,so it doesn't matter if the parents have been worked to death or not.When you pick up your pup usually at eight weeks of age it is then your job to socialise the pup.

A puppy peddler buys in pups and sells then on.Hancock sells the pups that he breeds,the fact that he has been breeding lurchers for a living for a good few years now,and is still doing so says it all.If his dogs were shit he would have gone under years ago.One thing is for sure,when you buy from Hancock you are buying what the breeder says they are not just a broken coated mongrel.

 

Regards.

[nighttimenellie 4]

I love them, and i love Dave, i think hes great, and produces some of the finest dogs ever seen, i cant see why he gets slagged off all the time, i think hes fan dabie dosie.

[Simoman 110]

I can't be bothered to get into this arguement,but I feel that I should put a few people straight on a few points.Hancock produces genuine Collie lurchers.They are bred from a Greyhound that has either raced or coursed and a collie from some of the finest working lines around.Basically if you mate any dog to a sighthound the young if shown game will work,so it doesn't matter if the parents have been worked to death or not.When you pick up your pup usually at eight weeks of age it is then your job to socialise the pup.

A puppy peddler buys in pups and sells then on.Hancock sells the pups that he breeds,the fact that he has been breeding lurchers for a living for a good few years now,and is still doing so says it all.If his dogs were shit he would have gone under years ago.One thing is for sure,when you buy from Hancock you are buying what the breeder says they are not just a broken coated mongrel.

 

Regards.

 

His greyhounds may have been raced But what use is it having collies from excellent lines if they aren't worked? I totally disagree that it doesn't matter if the parents are worked or not, you have a greater chance of success buying from tested workers (FACT) Does a shepherd get pups from stock that worked three generations ago? Does a digging man breed pups from a failure?

 

Pup A: Bred from two parents who have been regularly worked to a variety of quarry and tested to the full

Pup B: Bred from a ex racing greyhound and a dog that wanders around a farm

Erm no guess which I would take a gamble on becoming a worker

 

The ammount of pups that are bred cannot be socialised fully and yes it IS the job of the breeder to start socialisation

There are puppy farms that have been operating successfully for years because there will always be somebody who will take the pups

 

Simon

[Moorman 1 1,376]

How many times is this arguement going to come up?

 

I have seen several Hancock dogs that are and were exceptional dogs.

I agree that the breeder should start the socialising of the pups.

I have seen a lot of dogs work from proven parents that were total shit and I have also seen top class dogs work that were from unproven parents.

Are you saying that the lurchers would be any better if their collie sire herded sheep??

How many matches would your pit bull have to have won to produce a viable lurcher?

Edited August 25, 2006 by Moorman 1

[Guest jeff.s]

I WAS WONDERING WHAT HAPPENS TO ALL THE GREYHOUND BITCHES ONCE HE HAS FINISHED WITH THEM, I KNOW HE HAS A STONG FOLLOWING OF PEOPLE WANTING PUPS BUT I CANT SEE HIM GETTING RID OF ALL THE PUPS AT 8 WEEKS OLD, SO THE ONES THAT ARE LEFT WONT HAVE A LOT OF HUMAN CONTACED, LIKE SOMEONE SAID AT LEAST YOU KNOW WHAT CROSSES YOU ARE GETTING THATS WHY WE WENT TO HIM, BUT WOULD NOT GO BACK THERE AFTER THE THINGS I,VE READ ABOUT HIM ON THE HUNTING SITES, I HAVE FRIENDS THAT ALSO HAVE HIS DOGS AND THEY TOO HAD A BIT IF TROUBLE WITH THERE PUPS IN THE FIRST FEW WEEKS , BUT THERE DOGS ARE SMASHING NOW, jeff

[Moorman 1 1,376]

Good answer Locke I totally agree with what you have just said.But how many people have actually seen the pure blood parents of their first cross lurchers work?

Not many I would assume.

[Nipper 0]

It is all about percentages, eg a whippet that has been bred from parents that were WCRA is 12.5% likely to become a champion. 7.5% if only one parent was WRCA and 2.5% if neither parents were champions.

 

If you want a dog to catch game, as long as it is 75% sighthound, you will be 50% there. The other 50% is down to the owner!

 

Good hunting!

[Simoman 110]

It is all about percentages, eg a whippet that has been bred from parents that were WCRA is 12.5% likely to become a champion. 7.5% if only one parent was WRCA and 2.5% if neither parents were champions.

 

If you want a dog to catch game, as long as it is 75% sighthound, you will be 50% there. The other 50% is down to the owner!

 

Good hunting!

 

Nipper, you do like your percentages :11:

 

Well answered Locke

[Nipper 0]

Statistics, statistics and damn lies.........!

[Guest moomin300uk]

Interesting question Moorman I will try and answer it as honestly as I can, If a pitbull had won matches then its gameness could be accurately assessed before breeding, correct me if you think Im wrong but the most common reason for crossing bull with greyhound is to combine gameness (bull) with speed (greyhound)

In the case of the collie herding sheep, the handler can assess how fast the dog is on the outrun, how much stamina he has during the working day, does he give up easily or back off if the sheep are giving him a hard time? does he yap when hes herding the sheep or is he a persistent gripper? these are all traits that can be passed on to the offspring and traits which cant be assessed by keeping a dog on a chain or letting it loose to wander around a yard and mate bitches.

 

normally your posts are not worth the read but you are getting there

[Sorley x 32]

Working a dog doesn't change it's genetics.

 

I've seen plenty of dogs from working stock that haven't made the grade.

 

Good bloodlines hold up, because of generations of testing, by not working one and breeding from it doesn't make the puppies second rate (unlike some of the educations on here).

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

Dont read em then :11: :11:

 

 

:11: @ 'LOCKE'....

 

It has been a PROVEN fact in both the modern lurcher and to some extent,.the terrier world,..that no matter how much a producer of working dogs is ridiculed,.castigated or shown to be less than realistic in the appraisal of his 'product',...there will ALWAYS be guys that are attracted to such things. The written word is a very powerful tool and can certainly influence folk into believing even the most outrageous claims....

Personally,.I have always tried to help out newcomers to the game,especialy when their dogs are not coming up to scratch or following the predicted path to success. As hunting men, I think we owe them that.

Such 'debates' will always crop up. Argument is inevitable. Perhaps, some day , the real stories and true events that helped to create various names and faces within the lurcher world will be told...

Whatever,... .....All the best to ALL crosses,.CHALKWARREN....

[Sorley x 32]

Dont read em then :11: :11:

 

 

:11: @ 'LOCKE'....

 

It has been a PROVEN fact in both the modern lurcher and to some extent,.the terrier world,..that no matter how much a producer of working dogs is ridiculed,.castigated or shown to be less than realistic in the appraisal of his 'product',...there will ALWAYS be guys that are attracted to such things. The written word is a very powerful tool and can certainly influence folk into believing even the most outrageous claims....

Personally,.I have always tried to help out newcomers to the game,especialy when their dogs are not coming up to scratch or following the predicted path to success. As hunting men, I think we owe them that.

Such 'debates' will always crop up. Argument is inevitable. Perhaps, some day , the real stories and true events that helped to create various names and faces within the lurcher world will be told...

Whatever,... .....All the best to ALL crosses,.CHALKWARREN....

 

 

[madhunter 16]

well i had abitch pup of him few years back and she turned into a handy dog caught everything before the ban ended her live running a deer and broke her neck . Maybe go back get one soon dont no as i have a big bull x which does everything she done and more .But as people say if you work with the dog it will turn out to be ok

[nighttimenellie 4]

well i had abitch pup of him few years back and she turned into a handy dog caught everything before the ban ended her live running a deer and broke her neck . Maybe go back get one soon dont no as i have a big bull x which does everything she done and more .But as people say if you work with the dog it will turn out to be ok

Mady you have just stated you are thinking of buying an inferior dog to what your runing now, my question is, why?