the sun

[Malt 379]

I also don't see how you can hold a new government accountable to actions over 20 years ago. It will have to be a case of wait and see.

 

Have they totally changed their ideology in 20 years then mate? I know they've changed their logo.... 'Plastic' Cameron seems just like a Tory version of Tony Blair to me ATM, all image very little substance. That said, we need a change from this current shower, just a shame that there's no other real option. Having to choose the Tories as a default option to labour leaves a bit of a bad taste in my mouth. Maybe I'll vote Plaid....

[NID 0]

It was 25 years ago this year that i was on strike for 12 month and was called the enemy within by the sun newspaper.You lot are going to be realy let down by a tory goverment but i would sooner have a tory goverment that you know are the enemy of the ordinary working man than a labour goverment that PRETENDS to be on the side of ordinary working class people.The only word for the sun newspaper is a SCUMY GUTTER PRESS TABLOID.and if people believe half of wat they print they realy are deluded.This is based on my familys exspieriance with the scottish sun in june were they have not had the decency to apologise on story that was a complete lie. atb dell

Not all of us will welcome the Tories back with open arms Dell. I remember the miners strikes, the total devastation to the communities of South Wales & parts of England when they closed the mines as payback, the pictures on the news of fishermen's boats being burned in protest when the Tories gave away the fishing grounds to the rest of Europe and the means or earning a living with it, the old people freezing to death in their homes in winter because they couldn't afford to heat their homes, the rich getting richer while the poor stayed in poverty, boom & bust, etc.

 

It's a sign of how bad things have got under the current shower, that people want these arseholes back in power.

 

Spot on Maltenby,Dell.atb Nid.

PS.As for that rag the Sun,just a fecking comic.

Edited September 30, 2009 by NID

[SportingShooter 0]

I also don't see how you can hold a new government accountable to actions over 20 years ago. It will have to be a case of wait and see.

 

Have they totally changed their ideology in 20 years then mate? I know they've changed their logo.... 'Plastic' Cameron seems just like a Tory version of Tony Blair to me ATM, all image very little substance. That said, we need a change from this current shower, just a shame that there's no other real option. Having to choose the Tories as a default option to labour leaves a bit of a bad taste in my mouth. Maybe I'll vote Plaid....

Who knows Won't be able to tell until they have the power to start. Same with any opposition party, they have no power to make any change and so are viewed with suspicion by all

 

Plaid? OK

[Malt 379]

I also don't see how you can hold a new government accountable to actions over 20 years ago. It will have to be a case of wait and see.

 

Have they totally changed their ideology in 20 years then mate? I know they've changed their logo.... 'Plastic' Cameron seems just like a Tory version of Tony Blair to me ATM, all image very little substance. That said, we need a change from this current shower, just a shame that there's no other real option. Having to choose the Tories as a default option to labour leaves a bit of a bad taste in my mouth. Maybe I'll vote Plaid....

Who knows Won't be able to tell until they have the power to start. Same with any opposition party, they have no power to make any change and so are viewed with suspicion by all

 

Plaid? OK

I personally think the whole political system needs changing. As it stands, one party gets in does OK for x amount of years, then gets booted out when it all goes tits up.

 

I like Jeremy Clarksons idea, where you employ the best of the best in whatever field to run that department. If they start going tits up, they can simply sack said person and move on.

 

How many cabinet ministers have actual, real world experience of the department they head? for instance, after a reshuffle, how can someone whose previous job was in charge of schools, suddenly be competent enough to run the treasury or the armed forces?

[Swampy 147]

They are all the same. Puippets of Brussels!

 

Labour is not Labour and the Tories are not conservative.

They are all playing the same cards. Where the worker and the poor supplement the rich and the bureaucrats.

 

It is more like choosing the method of your own execution.

 

Rise up and revolt citizens of this great island!

 

 

Swampy

 

ninging in revolution/revultion

[SportingShooter 0]

I also don't see how you can hold a new government accountable to actions over 20 years ago. It will have to be a case of wait and see.

 

Have they totally changed their ideology in 20 years then mate? I know they've changed their logo.... 'Plastic' Cameron seems just like a Tory version of Tony Blair to me ATM, all image very little substance. That said, we need a change from this current shower, just a shame that there's no other real option. Having to choose the Tories as a default option to labour leaves a bit of a bad taste in my mouth. Maybe I'll vote Plaid....

Who knows Won't be able to tell until they have the power to start. Same with any opposition party, they have no power to make any change and so are viewed with suspicion by all

 

Plaid? OK

I personally think the whole political system needs changing. As it stands, one party gets in does OK for x amount of years, then gets booted out when it all goes tits up.

 

I like Jeremy Clarksons idea, where you employ the best of the best in whatever field to run that department. If they start going tits up, they can simply sack said person and move on.

 

How many cabinet ministers have actual, real world experience of the department they head? for instance, after a reshuffle, how can someone whose previous job was in charge of schools, suddenly be competent enough to run the treasury or the armed forces?

 

I agree Mal

 

Personally, My ideal of a Parliament is where party politics is abolished completely and every M.P. is an independent candidate. No party Whips, no loyalties, they vote the way they want to and which they think is best. If the legislation doesn't get passed then so be it.

 

But who is going to be brave enough to do that? None of the current lot. I'd be happy enough to be elected PM and spend the next 5 years destroying the current system to something that vaguely represents democracy lol

[droid 11]

[Not all of us will welcome the Tories back with open arms Dell. I remember the miners strikes, the total devastation to the communities of South Wales & parts of England when they closed the mines as payback, the pictures on the news of fishermen's boats being burned in protest when the Tories gave away the fishing grounds to the rest of Europe and the means or earning a living with it, the old people freezing to death in their homes in winter because they couldn't afford to heat their homes, the rich getting richer while the poor stayed in poverty, boom & bust, etc.

 

It's a sign of how bad things have got under the current shower, that people want these arseholes back in power.

 

Too bloody right, Mal.

 

The present crop of Sun-reader Tories are going to get a real shock if Camerons' bunch of yes-men ever get back in power.

 

I think we'll be waiting a lot longer than 2-3 years for any repeal of the Hunting ban, not with the New Caring Fluffy Conservative Party.

And don't expect much action over European legislation. Those who complain about the EC might do well to remember who it was that took us into it.

[Swampy 147]

[Not all of us will welcome the Tories back with open arms Dell. I remember the miners strikes, the total devastation to the communities of South Wales & parts of England when they closed the mines as payback, the pictures on the news of fishermen's boats being burned in protest when the Tories gave away the fishing grounds to the rest of Europe and the means or earning a living with it, the old people freezing to death in their homes in winter because they couldn't afford to heat their homes, the rich getting richer while the poor stayed in poverty, boom & bust, etc.

 

It's a sign of how bad things have got under the current shower, that people want these arseholes back in power.

 

Too bloody right, Mal.

 

The present crop of Sun-reader Tories are going to get a real shock if Camerons' bunch of yes-men ever get back in power.

 

I think we'll be waiting a lot longer than 2-3 years for any repeal of the Hunting ban, not with the New Caring Fluffy Conservative Party.

And don't expect much action over European legislation. Those who complain about the EC might do well to remember who it was that took us into it.

 

Aye, every government since 1945 has moved us close to the EEC.

Please also remember tha it was Goebels who first coined the phrase!

 

Swampy

 

Ninging in fear of the Nazis

[craigyboy 1,274]

[Not all of us will welcome the Tories back with open arms Dell. I remember the miners strikes, the total devastation to the communities of South Wales & parts of England when they closed the mines as payback, the pictures on the news of fishermen's boats being burned in protest when the Tories gave away the fishing grounds to the rest of Europe and the means or earning a living with it, the old people freezing to death in their homes in winter because they couldn't afford to heat their homes, the rich getting richer while the poor stayed in poverty, boom & bust, etc.

 

It's a sign of how bad things have got under the current shower, that people want these arseholes back in power.

 

Too bloody right, Mal.

 

The present crop of Sun-reader Tories are going to get a real shock if Camerons' bunch of yes-men ever get back in power.

 

I think we'll be waiting a lot longer than 2-3 years for any repeal of the Hunting ban, not with the New Caring Fluffy Conservative Party.

And don't expect much action over European legislation. Those who complain about the EC might do well to remember who it was that took us into it.

your right malt,but that was 20 yrs ago and do you think labour have done a better job in the time theyve been in have they feck,theyve ruined this country,you have all small memories can you remember the last time labour were in before this,they made a hash of it then but people didnt think about that when they voted em in,they thought theyd give em another chance and they blew it big time,so this is the tories turn to prove people wrong and lets hope they do it and after the last 12 or so yrs since labour have been in how many of you wished we had left the tories in,i for one do,at least theyd have never banned the sport we all love

Edited September 30, 2009 by craigyboy

[Malt 379]

[Not all of us will welcome the Tories back with open arms Dell. I remember the miners strikes, the total devastation to the communities of South Wales & parts of England when they closed the mines as payback, the pictures on the news of fishermen's boats being burned in protest when the Tories gave away the fishing grounds to the rest of Europe and the means or earning a living with it, the old people freezing to death in their homes in winter because they couldn't afford to heat their homes, the rich getting richer while the poor stayed in poverty, boom & bust, etc.

 

It's a sign of how bad things have got under the current shower, that people want these arseholes back in power.

 

Too bloody right, Mal.

 

The present crop of Sun-reader Tories are going to get a real shock if Camerons' bunch of yes-men ever get back in power.

 

I think we'll be waiting a lot longer than 2-3 years for any repeal of the Hunting ban, not with the New Caring Fluffy Conservative Party.

And don't expect much action over European legislation. Those who complain about the EC might do well to remember who it was that took us into it.

your right malt,but that was 20 yrs ago and do you think labour have done a better job in the time theyve been in have they feck,theyve ruined this country,you have all small memories can you remember the last time labour were in before this,they made a hash of it then but people didnt think about that when they voted em in,they thought theyd give em another chance and they blew it big time,so this is the tories turn to prove people wrong and lets hope they do it and after the last 12 or so yrs since labour have been in how many of you wished we had left the tories in,i for one do,at least theyd have never banned the sport we all love

Forget the ban for a minute, I've got a wife & kids to support. Under the Tories we'd never had had the minimum wage & the tax credit system.....

 

Don't get me wrong, I want Labour gone as much as the next man. One reason being is the shocking way they treat our troops, putting lads lives on the line with their penny pinching ways. The public sector gravy train is another reason. How many breast milk advisers & nappy outreach coordinators do we really need? Under Labour the public sector has become a bloated mess, a black hole that swallows up taxpayers money at both local & national levels.

 

There's a multitude of reasons for getting rid of them, but I wouldn't count on their demise leading to the return of hunting with dogs, at least not to the level it was before the ban.

[droid 11]

Craigyboy, if you think that voting in the Tories will solve the countries problems then you are so naive that you probably believe what you read in the papers.

 

It won't make a blind bit of difference to ordinary working people. Different faces, same old shit. The total chaos we have in Government now is just the same as the total chaos we had at the end of the last Conservative parliament.

 

I've seen the total wasteage of communities that the Tories are capable of. I wouldn't vote for them, ever. I'm old enough to have been an adult when the Miners Strike was on. It was devastating. A very real, hard thing, not a couple of pages in a school history book.

[craigyboy 1,274]

Craigyboy, if you think that voting in the Tories will solve the countries problems then you are so naive that you probably believe what you read in the papers.

 

It won't make a blind bit of difference to ordinary working people. Different faces, same old shit. The total chaos we have in Government now is just the same as the total chaos we had at the end of the last Conservative parliament.

 

I've seen the total wasteage of communities that the Tories are capable of. I wouldn't vote for them, ever. I'm old enough to have been an adult when the Miners Strike was on. It was devastating. A very real, hard thing, not a couple of pages in a school history book.

firstly i was brought up on a council estate,the youngest of 7 children,my dad worked 6 days a week just to house clothe and feed us,we didnt have much but we had a bit more than some,didnt want you thinking i was the son of an earl,

no i dont think voting tories will solve the countries problems just as labour wont,are you old enough to remember a decent labour government...i doubt it,i know theyre all the same but there was always one deciding factor when it came to voting,during the run up to the elections,when the local canditates knocked at my door i asked each one,1 question...

labour

"what are your views on hunting"

"if we gain power we will be seeking to ban it"

"goodbye"

lib dem

"what are your views on hunting"

"it isnt a main priority,but speaking on behalf of so many of my coleagues,we will in time look into the ban"

"goodbye"

tories

"what are your views on hunting"

"we have no intention to give any parliamentry time to this bill,we will not be looking into the ban"

"youve got my vote"

and maltenby says "lets forget the ban for a minute" im sorry mate but i cant,im in the same boat as you,wife 3 kids mortgage and after years of torie and labour governments were still here,but one thing that isnt is the freedom to hunt with your dogs and that for me is what its all about

[sandymere 8,263]

It don't matter who you vote for the goverment still get in.

[Guest busterdog]

[one thing that isnt is the freedom to hunt with your dogs and that for me is what its all about ]

 

COULDN'T AGREE MORE...

[undisputed 1,664]

There's a few folk in here with short memories you think its bad now wait till they get in again the tories brought the country to its knees during the 18yrs they were in. This present crop are no different its all style over substance. Folk better batten down the hatches we're in for a very bumpy ride repeal the hunting act? what good will that do you when you wont be able to afford to feed your mutts.