NOT GOOD.

[Guest craftycarper]

A weapon is a tool which can be used to kill, injure or incapacitate, to destroy property, or to otherwise render resources non-functional or unavailable. It may be used to attack and defend, and consequently also to threaten or protect.

 

Get it right lads it's a air rifle, look at the above. It's only a weapon in the wrong hands, to us it's a tool, fair enough to kill be it vermin but not each other. People kill people with cars but they are not called car weapons it's down to the individual.

 

As stated earlier i'm all for licensing of air rifles, cabinets & close supervision for youngsters etc etc, but how on earth do you do it. How many guns are out there, look at the amount you see sold at boot sales etc.

 

The real downside to this is that we all started off with these ourselves as youngsters and have moved on to bigger things over the years, i think it's a shame what's gonna happen to the future of hunting, target shooting etc if these youngsters can't enter into the sport with air rifles.

 

It's not gonna get any better i'm affraid, just another nail in the coffin and another pastime that sooner or later is going to be reminisced about over a pint with friends looking at past photo's etc

 

Society is changing for the worse, and as usual we are going to be the ones that get it in the rear, when things like this happen be it an accident or not.

[staffy-1 0]

happened to me different circumstances, was out with my mate once with the air rifles. We where shooting tins etc. When i shot a marmite bottle the pellet reflected off the bottle come back towards us and went straight through his ankle. To make a long story short we ended up going to court three times the both of us and band from having air weapons until we where 18. i wasn't pissed off it was my fault for been a stupid twat

staffy-1

[ChrisJones 7,975]

The sooner airguns are taken off of stupid kids the better, i,m fecking sick of airgun crime being classed as " gun crime" and then used to beat up all the rest of the genuine careful gun using public.I,ve changed my opinion over the last few years, i,m all for airgun licensing, removal of the power limit, secure storage, and no club, no land, no gun.Yes its harsh, but kids should not be out with todays weapons on their own, unsupervised, they are not the meteors and gat,s we used, they are lethal weapons.We wont put our own house in order, you can be damned sure the government will do it for us, and it wont be to our advantage.Before the flak starts, i,ve used airguns for the past 35 years.

f*****g Amen!

 

Shooting groups need to start preparing for the screws being tightened.

[ziggy1 0]

Well i live 15 miles from there. But this morning there has beed 4 paper boys shot 2 miles from where i live

dont people relise air guns are dangerous

[nelson 0]

Oh for christs sake.

 

The louts who did it will be let off as they are minors, and every law-abiding airgun/gun owner will be punished.

 

Funny how the detective inspector quoted in the article is calling them "air weapons". I thought they were called airguns or air rifles.

 

Each Police force,as far as i understand,has a use it or lose it policy with they're Fire arms department and to make it look like there is more "gun crime" about,they will "upgrade" certain incidents to make more of a headline and make it look like they actually do something,other than eat crisp's and play hide and seek in they're panda cars.

My deepest sympathies go to the lads parents and mates.

[Guest baldie]

Its a real difficult one is this, as craftycarper has said. I dont know the answer to the problem of guns already in circulation, its no secret, that 90% of brococks sold, have "dissapeared". Personally, i think BASC should be doing more, maybe making some token gestures, i dont know, but if we dont, the government will. Airgun crime gets tossed about a lot, i think the fact there are already 4 million in circulation, is the only thing stopping the government from implementing something, to be honest. Can anyone remember any gun law passed in the last 30 years, that was well thought out, and a measured reaction? no, neither can i. I dont trust these b*****ds to be fair again, not where guns are concerned.

A start would be a prison sentence for the fathers of children using airguns illegally, maybe the sloppy twats would think twice about letting them roam the streets with a gun.

[bullsmilk 2]

ime all for tighter laws.but licences come on what next youle need one for a cattapult?....ime sure theres a few on here that have had scrapes with the law :ph34r: (including me)what of them there never going to be able to shot a rat on there own land......you could say its there own fault but everyone makes mistakes......if we all kept our guns safe this would not happen i know i do mine.my gun and pellets dont stay together

[Guest craftycarper]

what's the problem with licensing, yeah there will still be the odd accident but things have to be tightened for the legit users. Lets face it the correct details of this incident have probably not or will not be released. Where did they get the gun, were the parents aware of what was going on, was it a parents gun that was not secured, if so he/she needs their arse kicking severely.

I got into work last night put the pc on and there was another couple of incidents with regards to people being shot with air guns , five different people were shot in one incident, this has to stop. If it takes licensing then so be it otherwise we run the risk of being outlawed completely..what's your choice, there's enough forms of pressure on us from all sorts angles and i'm sick of it. :realmad:

On a different topic a couple of other stories i saw a two yr old crossing a road with a group of friends hit by a car a four year old battered with a brick suffering a fractured skull and most of his ear ripped off on wasteland of which a 11 year old boy has been detained or arrested, the possibility that he may have been tied to a tree before the assault took place :realmad: , common folks what the hell is going on here, what parents let children of that age out on their own if they're out at 2 or four years of age on their own is it any surprise that at between 12 & 16 we have incidents like this with air guns, hoodies etc occuring. Tighten up the laws, build more prisons and get tough on these shites, & bring back punishments in schools.Kids have lost their innocence and society has gone to pot & parents, in some cases, not all, just don't give a damn what their kids are doing as long as they are not under their feet all day annoying them or failing that have lost control of them...

[bullsmilk 2]

what is it with licences!!!!!!itle tell you anyone with the slightest criminal record wont be able to have one anyone who wants to plink in there garden wont be able to.and poachers like me will be more fecked lol

[Guest mucker]

agree bullsmilk scrap the licence idea

[ChrisJones 7,975]

what is it with licences!!!!!!itle tell you anyone with the slightest criminal record wont be able to have one anyone who wants to plink in there garden wont be able to.and poachers like me will be more fecked lol

I used to think like that until that toddler was killed by some prick firing one from his window. If you want to avoid licencing because you want to go poaching with an airgun then the quicker they're tagged the better. FFS I can't believe I'm reading this on an open forum.

 

What's the point in tightening the law if you're not using one legally in the first place? Won't make any difference to you! Tag em. Secure em. Remove the power limit and then the rest can be dealt with as they arise. That way gun crime will reflect the issue and the punishments will fit the crime. The Brococks have disappeared but no one is out shooting kids with them either.

 

If the shooters don't start sorting themselves out the government will do it for us and I certainly don't trust them in the slightest. Nothing good has happened to shooting law in the last 30 years but no one will give an inch. You think if we dig our heels in and ignore everything it won't be forced on us in the future?

 

The falconers have had a premonition which is why they're doing LANTRA courses in bird keeping, they're smart enough to realise that change is on the way. Why not something similar for airgunning?

[Guest craftycarper]

well said mate..the exact reason i have just applied for fac to be added to my shottie cert, i can see it coming in the not so distant future, might as well prepare for it now. For the amount of problems there has been in the space of a few weeks i wouldn't put it past them to rush some type of legislation in on the quick, believe me they can do it if they want to, and when they do you could be looking at a stretch of 5 years

[ChrisJones 7,975]

well said mate..the exact reason i have just applied for fac to be added to my shottie cert, i can see it coming in the not so distant future, might as well prepare for it now. For the amount of problems there has been in the space of a few weeks i wouldn't put it past them to rush some type of legislation in on the quick, believe me they can do it if they want to, and when they do you could be looking at a stretch of 5 years

That's it mate. I've never hand an FAC. Never had to. I don't have any land suitable and it's all airgun only. I do have a cabinet fitted and I do store my guns in it. The main reason is so that little fingers can't go messing with the rifles but also because airguns ain't cheap and a gun cabinet is as safe storage as it gets. So what's the problem with being a little proactive for a change?

[Guest Macnas]

I'm used to airguns being under license, so I don't see it as a problem. But that's all well and good for me I guess.

 

It will probably come down to all airguns being put under license in the UK, but it will be a hard one to police. A gundealer at a gamefair/country fair will sell a hundred of the things over a 2 days, there are thousands in circulation, all unregistered.

 

There again, when has efficacy ever been of interest when it comes to firearm legislation, it's all a paper exercise to make the headline look good.

 

We all started out with airguns, but Baldie made a great point, we're not talking about the old springer break barrel yokes anymore, that would hardly get through your coat if one was fired at you.

Things are different now.

[Guest craftycarper]

exactley we are no longer talking of unaccurate low powered has beens, there are also to many tampered rifles about that if tested with a chrono would be found to actually warrant being on a ticket. Even on forums i've seen to many questions asking how to power up these rifles and even replies giving help, gun shops are also not helping as they sell upgraded springs as long as they don't fit them they think it's ok to do so. People are also happy to sell them to kids at boot sales for the sake of a few quid in their pocket....