whin 463 Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 truth can only be seen when i see it with my own eyes mate nothing else, but will find out i dont believe in hearsay even from a good source , only reason i dont post pics of new mexico and all round the uk dont like people taking pics of my hard earned expierence ,itl get dealt with appropraite if [bANNED TEXT] and the people who told me if liars or winde ups will be told to fech off cant see it tho but i will find out Quote Link to post
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whin 463 Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 thl members dont realy need to know as its not there prob or there grype ,if its true it will get dealt with if not as they say in the old movie forger about it , but i ve been told its true etc Quote Link to post
whin 463 Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 no problem i can get in enough prediciments without dogs and my name in books , all the best Quote Link to post
bri1970 22 Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Wow me and my mate brought a rough coated hancocks 3yrs old to take out on rabbits what a bitch i have never in my life seen a dog work like she does talk about creeping up on the rabbits she almost tip toes upto them then bang i watch with amazment she brings them back to heal and sits for us to tell her next move she walks by my side and jumps farm gates....all my life have had whippet crosses etc etc but never worked liked she does she picked 10 out of 10 in one field has anyone else got hancocks collies i love going out lamping but my god i count down the days to be out again them rabbits must be pretty tame to put the lamp on and still kill 10 rabbits in the same feild were i go you are lucky to get 5 runs in the same feild it aint impossible,seen mates take 13 on the trot off one field.maybe its a good dog.. Quote Link to post
slip,course,kill 0 Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 its along time since i was at hancocks maybe 1990 but it probaly hasent changed ,i like a colli type lurcher and will always defend them but there a helluve lot of bad collies and medocre greyhounds about and he must have plenty ,you can never tell an animal unttil its in the feild thats fo sure , its not rocket sceice lamping a few rabbs but if you expect alot out your dogs well, the only way is to get dogs of GENUINE TYPES WHO HAVE HAD DOGS FOR A DECADES OR TWO OR MORE AND KEEP PRODUCING GOOD TYPES, YOU CANOT TELL A DOGS BAD FAULTS OR GOOD UNTIL HEES WORKED HARD AND REGULAR YOULLL NEVER FIND HOW HE DOES TILL TESTED HOW CAN YOU HAVE LOADS OF DOGS IN PENS WHO DO NOTHING AND EXPECT GOOD DOGS IF THAT WAS THE CASE WOULD PEOPLE BREED OF TRIED AND TESTED WORKERS TO GET REPLACEMENTS ,LIKE DERBY WINNERS ETC , ITS AL TO DO WITH LINES AND CLEVERNESS IN A DOGS MAKE UP ,I LIVE ON A FARM ROUND ALOT OF ANIMALS COLLIESI SEE ONLY MAYBE 2 IN THE LAST 2 YEARS THAT YOU CAN SAY GOOD FOR BREEDING LURCHERS AND FOR GREYHOUNDS ONLY SEEN ONE OR TWO DOWN DONCASTER WAY OF A MATE , CANT SEE HOW PEOPLE CAN BUY OF ANYTHING NOT TESTED , ITS A HARD EBOUGH GAME TO GET GOOD DOGS WITHOUT BUYING OF NON TRIED DOGS , NOT SAYING THAT HE GOT BAD DOGS JUST CANT SEE THE LOGIC iv been lisening to this topic and i think if the sire and dam are good dogs at what they do all that does is give you better hopes for the pup but i wouldent put a bitch in pup if i new she was no good but what im trying to say is if its got in it to be done traind right and has a good heart it will do it Quote Link to post
whin 463 Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 cmon slip it takes a bit more than heart and trainability, strong feet , lenth of back natural ability easy to train plenty pace and wind ,cmon you just can get it with chucking track rejects to unworked collies or i would ,never breed a dog again i would by of the ,pro bree der cause 2oo pound is cheap in my eyes ,to get something you no what it is , i breed for feet wind and natural running ability ,hedging game of woods ,dropping a gear and going back up them with my saluks and if they retreive well all and well , my colli type want them to be fast of mark go for 2 minutes or more retreive and dont take much to train , but they must still have build and attitude for whateve,r comes up , now so far so good , if someone breeds that type i will not bother to breed any more as they must flush roe rabbit hare and fox feather if needed , and be biddable if trained well and be durable not walking vets bill Quote Link to post
runem 533 Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Wow me and my mate brought a rough coated hancocks 3yrs old to take out on rabbits what a bitch i have never in my life seen a dog work like she does talk about creeping up on the rabbits she almost tip toes upto them then bang i watch with amazment she brings them back to heal and sits for us to tell her next move she walks by my side and jumps farm gates....all my life have had whippet crosses etc etc but never worked liked she does she picked 10 out of 10 in one field has anyone else got hancocks collies i love going out lamping but my god i count down the days to be out again QUOTE "TALK ABOUT CREEPING UP ON THE RABBITS SHE ALMOST TIP TOES UP TO THEM"SOUNDS GREAT MY COLLIE GREYHOUND DOES THE SAME IN THE DAYTIME,SLIGHT PROBLEM DOES THE SAME AT NIGHT LAMPING, SLIP ON A RABBIT TWENTY MINUITS LATER LAMPS RED, HOT BATTERY GOING FLAT YOUVE NEARLY EMPTIED YOUR FLASK ATE ALL YOUR BUTTYS AND ITS STARTING TO COME LIGHT,RABBIT GETS BORED AND HOPS OFF... Quote Link to post
whin 463 Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 dont mind a dog taking sqautters but like them to lift them of the seat all the stalking looks good but better getting on with it and on to the next one mate on epof my old collie crosses she took thousands of rabbs a hancock sge was a beardie by 4 started rating her game ,so i gave her away , some rabbs at hedges she would lay of even on rabbit fences at times , but was agood bitch in her first three seasons Quote Link to post
slip,course,kill 0 Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 cmon slip it takes a bit more than heart and trainability, strong feet , lenth of back natural ability easy to train plenty pace and wind ,cmon you just can get it with chucking track rejects to unworked collies or i would ,never breed a dog again i would by of the ,pro bree der cause 2oo pound is cheap in my eyes ,to get something you no what it is , i breed for feet wind and natural running ability ,hedging game of woods ,dropping a gear and going back up them with my saluks and if they retreive well all and well , my colli type want them to be fast of mark go for 2 minutes or more retreive and dont take much to train , but they must still have build and attitude for whateve,r comes up , now so far so good , if someone breeds that type i will not bother to breed any more as they must flush roe rabbit hare and fox feather if needed , and be biddable if trained well and be durable not walking vets bill iv never owned a collie breed so ther for i cant coment on them but i no it takes all that but if they have all that and dont have will power they wont be a good dog they have to try and that comes from the trainer .... i have a 17 months old dog iv had him sence 6 weeks old all of his brothes and sister are ok but hes a lot lot better than eny one of them they have the same mother and same father but diffrent oweners cheers s.c.k Quote Link to post
slip,course,kill 0 Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Wow me and my mate brought a rough coated hancocks 3yrs old to take out on rabbits what a bitch i have never in my life seen a dog work like she does talk about creeping up on the rabbits she almost tip toes upto them then bang i watch with amazment she brings them back to heal and sits for us to tell her next move she walks by my side and jumps farm gates....all my life have had whippet crosses etc etc but never worked liked she does she picked 10 out of 10 in one field has anyone else got hancocks collies i love going out lamping but my god i count down the days to be out again them rabbits must be pretty tame to put the lamp on and still kill 10 rabbits in the same feild were i go you are lucky to get 5 runs in the same feild it aint impossible,seen mates take 13 on the trot off one field.maybe its a good dog.. i dident say the dog was bad i said they must not get lamped that mutch cus were i go soon as you put the lamp on ther gone i hope i made my self more clearer Quote Link to post
storm323 191 Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 I think he breeds good shaped dogs ive had a dog off him which i think only a handfull of people would breed them worker to worker is better in my opinion but where can i find this cross ,ive desided to go for a 3/4greyhound 1/4collie very diffrent from my first hancock dog ive looked and cant find,any other people who breed this kind of dog so il be having my new pup on the 17th of november and will be putting 110%,not knocking worldhunters strom but you cant say a dogs good from a few pics and you would have to go out a few times with a dog to see if its any good all the dogs ive been out with are avrage afent seen anything awsome as people say how good they are then they turn out no good,ive seen dogs that have had potensial but thats up to the owner to achive that sorry about the spelling atm storm 323 Quote Link to post
whin 463 Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 vert true mate a few shots of game on a comp dorsnt make aguy a good dog man or pics of qaurrry not bragging but if i had took pics of al the big nites we used to have it would look lik abutchers slab ,but i will not post pics to get knicked, had 17 roe one week all legal 450 rabbs etc when you are haRD AT THE GAME PICS IS THE LAST THING YOU WANT AT TIMES HONESTLY Quote Link to post
wullielennox 158 Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 cany coment on any hancock stuff as i.ve not seen any perform,same as everything else,you hear good and bad about all types of breeds no matter how they are bred,,but my opinion is the way they are reared half the time.. Quote Link to post
reavo2k9 20 Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 every hancock dog collie cross i have seen as been shit i wouldnt touch them i leave that to spiderpig he rates them ha ha Quote Link to post
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