Out last night...

[spiderfly 111]

was out last night and slipped my bullxwheatonxdeerhoundxgreyhound on her quarry knocked as normal but once the job was donr she was F**KEd lik shes really fit has done this quarry alot so anyway in the finish i carried her back...Rang the vet he said put sugar and water back in her so i did shes starting to come around this ever happen any of Ye..????

[fazza123 517]

Cant wait till this mild weather goes for a shine!!! My bitch needs to see something pretty sharpish!

[blackpack 70]

my mate of this site woof woof had this happen and he said it never happened before as the dog was very fit. Gave it salts and sugars and the dog came too.

[spiderfly 111]

my mate of this site woof woof had this happen and he said it never happened before as the dog was very fit. Gave it salts and sugars and the dog came too.

 

Ya they get dehighdrted(CAnt spell itLOL) It was weird do..!!

[bullmastiff 615]

Try a small feed in the morning before an outing, could of been low blood suger levels? or as you said maybe dehydrated?

take something as a 'pick me up' and small bottle of water next time just in case it happens again. If it starts becoming regular then maybe a trip to a decent vet required? JMO

 

All the best with her and good work on the quarry.

 

Luke.

[NO1 13]

i lost a dog to this after working his quarry

[bullmastiff 615]

Seems to depend on the quarry and on the dog, they seem to go into severe shock if given a really hard time or damaged badly. If you don't get some sugers into them quickly they can die from it apparently?

[NO1 13]

Seems to depend on the quarry and on the dog, they seem to go into severe shock if given a really hard time or damaged badly. If you don't get some sugers into them quickly they can die from it apparently?

ya it was off working a fallow buck mate and got him to the vet and he told me it was exsausten

[sandymere 8,263]

Try a small feed in the morning before an outing, could of been low blood suger levels? or as you said maybe dehydrated?

take something as a 'pick me up' and small bottle of water next time just in case it happens again. If it starts becoming regular then maybe a trip to a decent vet required? JMO

 

All the best with her and good work on the quarry.

 

Luke.

 

I'd agree with the above and add if the dog is run hard on consecutive nights then replacing glucose may be necs. asap after or even during the even.

[sandymere 8,263]

FROM A POST BACK ALONG.

 

Carbohydrate in the Working Canine diet

 

It’s pretty much accepted that different types of exercise and lifestyles require different feeding regimes i.e. a lap dog in a posh pad will need a markedly different diet to a sled dog during a long distance race. Most dogs will fall somewhere between these two extremes with working dogs, in particular, needing individual management of their diet to optimize performance.

 

Canine athletes depend on fats as their main fuel source when resting or at gentle exercise, 60% of energy supplied by fats at 40% of effort, however glucose converted from glycogen is needed especially during high intensity exercise such as sprinting. As exercise intensity increases the amount of glucose used increases whereas fat use remains relatively stable. So % of energy is supplied by glucose at 85% of effort. Studies have shown that dogs undergoing high intensity exercise were only replacing approximately 65% of their stores of glycogen in the first 24 hours when fed a “normal meal†an hour or more post exercise This can result in dogs undertaking high speed type work, such as lurchers or any breed that push their own personal limits, not fully replacing their energy stores by the next day. Fine for the once a week workers but this may well have a negative impact on those that work their dogs on a more regular basis.

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The process whereby glycogen is taken up by the dogs muscle cells is normally controlled by insulin but this is superseded while exercising and for approximately ½ an hour afterwards by another, faster, process, that could be described as direct uptake. As this process is so short acting, to utilize it, appropriate carbs need to be made available to maximize re-stocking of energy stores during or within half an hour of exercise. There is a reduced blood flow to the gastrointestinal system during exercise and for a period after but that does not mean that there is a complete cessation of digestion and appropriate carbs at this time will be digested and enter the blood stream, as glucose, to become available for this direct uptake system to utilize.

 

Previously I have advocated glucose, usually in drink form, as an appropriate form of carbs for this replacement but there are some problems with this. Simple sugars like glucose need to be diluted in a lot of water for digestion so water needs to be given at the same time or body fluids will be utilized when they are needed elsewhere but a stomach full of water soon after high intensity exercise may cause vomiting, the glucose/water effect may cause diarrhea and a sudden increase in glucose can cause a matching insulin high which in turn may lead to a reduction in blood glucose. As a dropping glucose will be counterproductive other alternatives have been tried to overcome this problem. Complex carbohydrates, i.e. cereal etc, are slow to break down and better suited to being part of the main meal as a baseline carbohydrate to replace the stores through the slower insulin process. Honey has been used in the past but it can have the same digestion problems as glucose plus it takes time and energy to be converted into glucose and may not be ready within the ½ hour time frame. Maltodextrins are sugars that fall between these two extremes they are easily/quickly absorbed, are less likely to case sudden rushes of glucose with the resultant insulin highs and are readily available.

 

Maltodextrin use in sporting dogs has been the subject of a number of studies, these seem to show dogs given a supplement prior to exercise had raised glucose levels during the exercise period, so glucose is available for direct uptake when needed; alternatively a supplement afterwards increased glucose levels within 15 minutes of administration. With both methods glycogen levels recovered significantly better during the following 24 hrs than those not receiving a supplement.

 

In conclusion the research suggests that a supplement of multodextrin may well increase work tolerance for sprint type exercise and improve recovery during the following 24 hours. Bearing in mind the above results and easy availability of maltodextrin type energy bars giving approximately one and a half grams per kilo of body weight to a hard working dog is defiantly worth considering.

[bird 9,984]

Cant wait till this mild weather goes for a shine!!! My bitch needs to see something pretty sharpish!

 

 

This is the prob with the time of the year, it is still feckin warm. Any lurcher running at 30mph run after run, even just 1/2 dozen runs will blow up. I know its nice to get few daft rabbits or red coats [that aint] seen a lamp, but alot of lurchers any x more so dogs with thick coats will get fecked quicker this time of the year.Plus some of the ground is still feckin hard ??

[J Darcy 5,871]

Basically the dog overheated and had no way to cool itself down. IMO it wasn't dehydration or anything, just overheating. The dog is covered in hair, which is ok for exertion when its cool, but in the late summer, when its warmer than what we may appreciate the dog cannot regulate its top temperature. I have seen this before and i have known of dogs that have died early season. Basically, be a good dog person, and "read" your dog. If its exhausted, get it into a cattle trough or a stream . there is a danger zone, IMO, and once the dog goes over this then only drastic cooling action will save it. during august and september its best to watch the dog, especially after any work. Beleive me, it won't take much on some occasions to have the dog staggering. All good dog people put their dogs welfare above anythign else and act accordingly....JD

[FUJI 17,328]

shes really fit has done this quarry alot so anyway in the finish i carried her back...

 

Obviously not as fit as you thought spiderfly? Give her time to FULLY recover before you attempt the same again,rest is a very important part of any working dogs makeup.Good luck with her well being and all the best for what lays ahead this season.All the best PP.