bitza lurchers

[undisputed 1,664]

Here,s one of the old school.A .true all rounder.Got the pics to prove it.atb. Catcher

do you no wats in her?

 

 

I know from the mother,s side.COLLIE ,GREY ,WHIPPET as i bred her.Long time ago cant remember what the father,S had in him.atb Catcher

 

From what I remember about old floyd he was collie/grey/deerhound

 

Think your right undisputed. I was looking for a pic.Know i have a few some where.atb Catcher

 

 

Here you go mate old floyd and one of meg the littermate to your bitch

[Catcher 1 639]

Here,s Meg and Buck same litter.atb. Catcher

[Catcher 1 639]

Young Catcher and floyde are still of the same bloodline.atb. Catcher

[wullielennox 158]

Young Catcher and floyde are still of the same bloodline.atb. Catcher

some good pics catcher. hows the fawn pup coming along.

[Catcher 1 639]

Young Catcher and floyde are still of the same bloodline.atb. Catcher

some good pics catcher. hows the fawn pup coming along.

 

 

Coming on a treat mate.Thanks for asking.A bit throng willed.but i can sort that out.Cheers Catcher

[wullielennox 158]

Young Catcher and floyde are still of the same bloodline.atb. Catcher

some good pics catcher. hows the fawn pup coming along.

 

 

Coming on a treat mate.Thanks for asking.A bit throng willed.but i can sort that out.Cheers Catcher

no doubt you will mate atb with it.

[Catcher 1 639]

Young Catcher and floyde are still of the same bloodline.atb. Catcher

some good pics catcher. hows the fawn pup coming along.

 

 

Coming on a treat mate.Thanks for asking.A bit throng willed.but i can sort that out.Cheers Catcher

no doubt you will mate atb with it.

 

 

[doxhope 2]

THE “BITZA†LURCHER.

 

In our wonderful hobby where specialist crosses of lurchers vary as much as the wardrobes of the countryside, one particular cross may come into vogue only to be superseded by another within a fairly short period of time. As these intentionally bred hybrids fight for poll position in the classified ads in the Countryman’s Weekly, one dog that has remained constant over the decades for its down right all-round hunting ability is the lurcher x lurcher, or the “Bitzaâ€.

The first person I ever heard to make use of this given name was my good friend the late Brian Plummer. In our personal conversations Brian constantly bemoaned this type of lurcher composite as he believed they couldn’t guarantee what he required in a running dog.

Everyone to their own, and the great man although never agreeing with my hypothesis always respected my views as he knew how I had used this lurcher breeding alternative to good effect over a wide time span, to fulfill a requisite totally different to his own.

To me Bitza is a poor term for such a superlative lurcher. The name conjuring up ideas of breeding that lacks thought or planning, which in some cases is far from the truth. Granted many back street curs boasting parentage unknown are accidents, but there have been some progeny produced by noted experienced lurchermen in Great Britain that are far from being mishaps, and that are among some of the best all-round working lurchers around.

I once read an interesting article in the Countryman’s Weekly by Margaret McFarlane concerning Norfolk lurchers. The author is delving deeply and obviously researching into one particular specialist variety of lurcher, which has been singled out and wrote about many times before over the years. To have so much written about it, there must have been something in lurcherdoms past to insight such an interest, even though the dogs prowess may have been somewhat exaggerated through time.

It is my belief this animal wasn’t the outcome of any one fastidious mating, and certainly not a first cross F1 hybrid, but the by-product of many generations of lurcher x lurcher matings, a Bitza, whose ancestry probably included a fair amount of collie blood.

Warrener`s who supposedly made full use of these dogs were primarily family groups residing in close knit communities. Their canine companions would have been much the same, with a lot of line breeding among the dogs taking place, so the locking of useful working traits in each generation would have helped ensuring an abundance of above average stock. Genetics would have been unknown to these people, but the fact that they didn’t have an understanding of Menelian law is of no consequence, as these laws operate whether the breeder recognizes them or not. The wheaten colour often associated with Norfolk type lurchers also backs up my idea of them emanating from collie type dogs, as constant line breeding of collie composites does produce a large proportion of fawns, where similar line breeding of say deerhound lurchers will produce a large number of brindles or blacks.

Nowadays as I have already suggested, various crosses through clever advertising or exaggerated praise from exponents of the breeding, surface and send the better working Bitza`s even further down the pecking order, quite wrongly I must add, as a large number of these so called dogs of the day are first cross animals, and in my opinion there is no first cross lurcher able to mach the all-round abilities of a purpose bred lurcher x lurcher.

All dogs possess shortcomings, and this includes F1 crosses pickled in hybrid vigour. As we get further away from the first cross however, an overall improvement will be observed in all-round working abilities, even though there will be a greater degree of variation in the phenotype (what the dog looks like). A touch of deerhound, a hint of bull a bit of saluki these are terms we often hear from the men possessing the top all-rounders. I never talk in percentages and as anyone with a basic knowledge and understanding of genetics, line and inbreeding will tell you, these are impossible to work out even if the parentage is known. Line breeding can be a useful foil in the assistance of producing better Bitza`s, Gregor Mendel’s laws of genetic inheritance are not restricted to pure bred animals.

The Bitza lurcher’s ancestry, as one can imagine, can differ immensely and this is noticeable from region to region, and from hunter to hunter. My breed consisted mainly of deerhound with an amount of Old English sheepdog. A fellow hunter from say Yorkshire may include a lot of Bedlington in his all-rounders. My dogs were also intentionally bred down to the height and weight required by me. Breeding dogs for a specific trait is easy, but can be restrictive, especially when the main aim is to produce good workers.

People often say it is easy to breed lurcher to lurchers; the difficulty is to breed better dogs which improve from generation to generation. Easier, is the breeding of first crossers, anyone can by fair means or foul, secure a greyhound bitch, then, obtain the services of a stud deerhound, Bedlington, saluki, or collie from an owner only too eager to prove his dog as a sire or to make a fast buck in the form of a stud fee. A lot of specialists over the years in first cross lurchers are not breeders in the true sense of the term, they are producers of puppies.

I have been lucky enough to have been involved with running dogs over a long period of time, and have witnessed the ebbing and flowing of lurcher types. My hunting requirements mean I need a dog to be honest, of good temperament, sound with the ability to consistently catch all quarries whenever the fancy to do so takes me, even if this means numerous outings per week, every month of the year. For this northern profit hunter that dog will always be the all-round lurcher. “The Bitzaâ€

[Tiny 7 1,694]

Good read Doxhope......

[sussexpoacher 45]

i have two dogs one is a first cross collie greyhound the other is fith generation lurcher to lurcher, the differance between the two is quite amazing the first cross has the speed but just lacks that little bit of determination wheras the "bitsa" has the speed and the determination, however im impressed by the colliehounds intelligence he seems to have a quick think about what hes going to do wheras bitsa acts first then thinks later. together they form a formiddable team. i wouldnt change em for the world.

[undisputed 1,664]

A well written piece

[Guest lurchers&terriers]

THE "BITZA" LURCHER.

 

In our wonderful hobby where specialist crosses of lurchers vary as much as the wardrobes of the countryside, one particular cross may come into vogue only to be superseded by another within a fairly short period of time. As these intentionally bred hybrids fight for poll position in the classified ads in the Countryman's Weekly, one dog that has remained constant over the decades for its down right all-round hunting ability is the lurcher x lurcher, or the "Bitza".

The first person I ever heard to make use of this given name was my good friend the late Brian Plummer. In our personal conversations Brian constantly bemoaned this type of lurcher composite as he believed they couldn't guarantee what he required in a running dog.

Everyone to their own, and the great man although never agreeing with my hypothesis always respected my views as he knew how I had used this lurcher breeding alternative to good effect over a wide time span, to fulfill a requisite totally different to his own.

To me Bitza is a poor term for such a superlative lurcher. The name conjuring up ideas of breeding that lacks thought or planning, which in some cases is far from the truth. Granted many back street curs boasting parentage unknown are accidents, but there have been some progeny produced by noted experienced lurchermen in Great Britain that are far from being mishaps, and that are among some of the best all-round working lurchers around.

I once read an interesting article in the Countryman's Weekly by Margaret McFarlane concerning Norfolk lurchers. The author is delving deeply and obviously researching into one particular specialist variety of lurcher, which has been singled out and wrote about many times before over the years. To have so much written about it, there must have been something in lurcherdoms past to insight such an interest, even though the dogs prowess may have been somewhat exaggerated through time.

It is my belief this animal wasn't the outcome of any one fastidious mating, and certainly not a first cross F1 hybrid, but the by-product of many generations of lurcher x lurcher matings, a Bitza, whose ancestry probably included a fair amount of collie blood.

Warrener`s who supposedly made full use of these dogs were primarily family groups residing in close knit communities. Their canine companions would have been much the same, with a lot of line breeding among the dogs taking place, so the locking of useful working traits in each generation would have helped ensuring an abundance of above average stock. Genetics would have been unknown to these people, but the fact that they didn't have an understanding of Menelian law is of no consequence, as these laws operate whether the breeder recognizes them or not. The wheaten colour often associated with Norfolk type lurchers also backs up my idea of them emanating from collie type dogs, as constant line breeding of collie composites does produce a large proportion of fawns, where similar line breeding of say deerhound lurchers will produce a large number of brindles or blacks.

Nowadays as I have already suggested, various crosses through clever advertising or exaggerated praise from exponents of the breeding, surface and send the better working Bitza`s even further down the pecking order, quite wrongly I must add, as a large number of these so called dogs of the day are first cross animals, and in my opinion there is no first cross lurcher able to mach the all-round abilities of a purpose bred lurcher x lurcher.

All dogs possess shortcomings, and this includes F1 crosses pickled in hybrid vigour. As we get further away from the first cross however, an overall improvement will be observed in all-round working abilities, even though there will be a greater degree of variation in the phenotype (what the dog looks like). A touch of deerhound, a hint of bull a bit of saluki these are terms we often hear from the men possessing the top all-rounders. I never talk in percentages and as anyone with a basic knowledge and understanding of genetics, line and inbreeding will tell you, these are impossible to work out even if the parentage is known. Line breeding can be a useful foil in the assistance of producing better Bitza`s, Gregor Mendel's laws of genetic inheritance are not restricted to pure bred animals.

The Bitza lurcher's ancestry, as one can imagine, can differ immensely and this is noticeable from region to region, and from hunter to hunter. My breed consisted mainly of deerhound with an amount of Old English sheepdog. A fellow hunter from say Yorkshire may include a lot of Bedlington in his all-rounders. My dogs were also intentionally bred down to the height and weight required by me. Breeding dogs for a specific trait is easy, but can be restrictive, especially when the main aim is to produce good workers.

People often say it is easy to breed lurcher to lurchers; the difficulty is to breed better dogs which improve from generation to generation. Easier, is the breeding of first crossers, anyone can by fair means or foul, secure a greyhound bitch, then, obtain the services of a stud deerhound, Bedlington, saluki, or collie from an owner only too eager to prove his dog as a sire or to make a fast buck in the form of a stud fee. A lot of specialists over the years in first cross lurchers are not breeders in the true sense of the term, they are producers of puppies.

I have been lucky enough to have been involved with running dogs over a long period of time, and have witnessed the ebbing and flowing of lurcher types. My hunting requirements mean I need a dog to be honest, of good temperament, sound with the ability to consistently catch all quarries whenever the fancy to do so takes me, even if this means numerous outings per week, every month of the year. For this northern profit hunter that dog will always be the all-round lurcher. "The Bitza"

 

cracking post that doxhope

[poacher3161 1,766]

Well writen doxhope its the same conclusion i have come to just baised on working and owning lurchers for over 30 years atb dell

[Macsen 4]

Nice post doxhope. Good to see someone on this forum taking the time to write an informative and intelligent post. Makes a refreshing change to a lot of the nonsense written on here, keep 'em coming.

[Catcher 1 639]

THE “BITZA†LURCHER.

 

In our wonderful hobby where specialist crosses of lurchers vary as much as the wardrobes of the countryside, one particular cross may come into vogue only to be superseded by another within a fairly short period of time. As these intentionally bred hybrids fight for poll position in the classified ads in the Countryman’s Weekly, one dog that has remained constant over the decades for its down right all-round hunting ability is the lurcher x lurcher, or the “Bitzaâ€.

The first person I ever heard to make use of this given name was my good friend the late Brian Plummer. In our personal conversations Brian constantly bemoaned this type of lurcher composite as he believed they couldn’t guarantee what he required in a running dog.

Everyone to their own, and the great man although never agreeing with my hypothesis always respected my views as he knew how I had used this lurcher breeding alternative to good effect over a wide time span, to fulfill a requisite totally different to his own.

To me Bitza is a poor term for such a superlative lurcher. The name conjuring up ideas of breeding that lacks thought or planning, which in some cases is far from the truth. Granted many back street curs boasting parentage unknown are accidents, but there have been some progeny produced by noted experienced lurchermen in Great Britain that are far from being mishaps, and that are among some of the best all-round working lurchers around.

I once read an interesting article in the Countryman’s Weekly by Margaret McFarlane concerning Norfolk lurchers. The author is delving deeply and obviously researching into one particular specialist variety of lurcher, which has been singled out and wrote about many times before over the years. To have so much written about it, there must have been something in lurcherdoms past to insight such an interest, even though the dogs prowess may have been somewhat exaggerated through time.

It is my belief this animal wasn’t the outcome of any one fastidious mating, and certainly not a first cross F1 hybrid, but the by-product of many generations of lurcher x lurcher matings, a Bitza, whose ancestry probably included a fair amount of collie blood.

Warrener`s who supposedly made full use of these dogs were primarily family groups residing in close knit communities. Their canine companions would have been much the same, with a lot of line breeding among the dogs taking place, so the locking of useful working traits in each generation would have helped ensuring an abundance of above average stock. Genetics would have been unknown to these people, but the fact that they didn’t have an understanding of Menelian law is of no consequence, as these laws operate whether the breeder recognizes them or not. The wheaten colour often associated with Norfolk type lurchers also backs up my idea of them emanating from collie type dogs, as constant line breeding of collie composites does produce a large proportion of fawns, where similar line breeding of say deerhound lurchers will produce a large number of brindles or blacks.

Nowadays as I have already suggested, various crosses through clever advertising or exaggerated praise from exponents of the breeding, surface and send the better working Bitza`s even further down the pecking order, quite wrongly I must add, as a large number of these so called dogs of the day are first cross animals, and in my opinion there is no first cross lurcher able to mach the all-round abilities of a purpose bred lurcher x lurcher.

All dogs possess shortcomings, and this includes F1 crosses pickled in hybrid vigour. As we get further away from the first cross however, an overall improvement will be observed in all-round working abilities, even though there will be a greater degree of variation in the phenotype (what the dog looks like). A touch of deerhound, a hint of bull a bit of saluki these are terms we often hear from the men possessing the top all-rounders. I never talk in percentages and as anyone with a basic knowledge and understanding of genetics, line and inbreeding will tell you, these are impossible to work out even if the parentage is known. Line breeding can be a useful foil in the assistance of producing better Bitza`s, Gregor Mendel’s laws of genetic inheritance are not restricted to pure bred animals.

The Bitza lurcher’s ancestry, as one can imagine, can differ immensely and this is noticeable from region to region, and from hunter to hunter. My breed consisted mainly of deerhound with an amount of Old English sheepdog. A fellow hunter from say Yorkshire may include a lot of Bedlington in his all-rounders. My dogs were also intentionally bred down to the height and weight required by me. Breeding dogs for a specific trait is easy, but can be restrictive, especially when the main aim is to produce good workers.

People often say it is easy to breed lurcher to lurchers; the difficulty is to breed better dogs which improve from generation to generation. Easier, is the breeding of first crossers, anyone can by fair means or foul, secure a greyhound bitch, then, obtain the services of a stud deerhound, Bedlington, saluki, or collie from an owner only too eager to prove his dog as a sire or to make a fast buck in the form of a stud fee. A lot of specialists over the years in first cross lurchers are not breeders in the true sense of the term, they are producers of puppies.

I have been lucky enough to have been involved with running dogs over a long period of time, and have witnessed the ebbing and flowing of lurcher types. My hunting requirements mean I need a dog to be honest, of good temperament, sound with the ability to consistently catch all quarries whenever the fancy to do so takes me, even if this means numerous outings per week, every month of the year. For this northern profit hunter that dog will always be the all-round lurcher. “The Bitzaâ€

 

 

Good read mate bitza its only a name,I would rather have lurcher x lurcher that can do the biss.Than a first cross hound that cant anytime.atb .Catcher