awen 29 Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 my pat yesterday walked in from the garden with a face twice the size so called up the vets and got him down there, they said he must have been stung gave him a steriod injection and some anti hystamines. woke up this morning and hes real ill wont move being sick rash all over him, took him back down the vets they said he had a high temp and that they will keep him in on a drip overnight probably an allergic reaction to sting or meds. got home and noticed that my other two also had a rash the same[ mainly around and under legs and belly] so went back down with them and sure enough they have temp too but are not as bad as my pat so they have antibiotics and came home with me. Now the vet thinks its a virus but i was wondering if there was a native plant that could do this or if anyone else has experienced the same thing. i find it strange that the pats face should swell and then this the next day could they be related? its cost me my rent money so far so any info would be good not only for the dogs but hopefully my pocket too. thanxs awen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BEARINATOR 2,867 Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 It does sound like he has been stung, could the rash not be off long grass or nettles Quote Link to post Share on other sites
awen 29 Posted September 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 It does sound like he has been stung, could the rash not be off long grass or nettles the vet said that he thought he was stung and that everything else is a virus which seems a coincidence!, it cant be stubble or grass rash because there are a few lumps over body and head i just find it strange that all 3 should be affected never had the problem before, thought they could have all been bushing somewhere there was a poisonous plant cant think of any other reason a virus just sounds to easy... to affect three different dogs at the same time? but im no vet Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waidmann 105 Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 you may find that mossies which have been in dodgy( pesticide,herbicide) water can cause such problems. wasp/bees nest near the kennel? no ticks? work on rats? hope you get it sorted Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ferret15 0 Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 my neighbors German Shepard had an allergic reaction to a plant along side the canal (w dont know which plant though) she remembers seeing yellow pollen on the dogs head my first thought was ragwort but we will never know. its face swelled up very puffy round the eyes like water filled sacks, skin was red. we gave it some priton on the vets advice and it calmed down very quickly. (within 6 hours) i hope you get to the bottom of it and that the dogs are OK. is there any chance there was a wasp nets in a rabbit hole that they could of disturbed? is there any chance they have been near weed killer ? maybe go back were you had them out and see if there is anything obvious that could of coursed it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
awen 29 Posted September 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 well the latest is- had to take the parson in this morning vomiting diahorea and stomach cramps all night and now hes on a drip aswell, the vet thinks that they must have eaten something which has poisoned them and that the bee sting[if that what it was] was just a coincidence. the day they got ill i was in a very large wood for most of the day too big to look for anything untoward, i think that they must have either eaten something they shouldnt have or bushing in something they shouldnt have. lukily my 5 month old pup is much better which to be honest i was worried about most. vet rekons there wont be alot of change left out of 1000£, but its gotta be done ive put so much time in with these two it would be a real shame to loose them. no ticks no rats no localised nests but mossies could be the culprit spent alot of time near water that day definate possibility i would really like to get to the bottom of it so i can avoid it in the future but vets cant give a straight answer so i can just eliminate what it cant be at the mo, thanks for your replys folks, it settles me a little to share it and try and find some answers, atb awen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ferret15 0 Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 it may be to late for this but cant do any harm, any of the dog at home give some egg whites to i will coat the stomach against the poision and settle the stomach and feed some charcol biscuits ( or a table spoon of charcol paste) they help absorb the posion Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tis TM 8 Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 well the latest is- had to take the parson in this morning vomiting diahorea and stomach cramps all night and now hes on a drip aswell, the vet thinks that they must have eaten something which has poisoned them and that the bee sting[if that what it was] was just a coincidence. the day they got ill i was in a very large wood for most of the day too big to look for anything untoward, i think that they must have either eaten something they shouldnt have or bushing in something they shouldnt have. lukily my 5 month old pup is much better which to be honest i was worried about most. vet rekons there wont be alot of change left out of 1000£, but its gotta be done ive put so much time in with these two it would be a real shame to loose them. no ticks no rats no localised nests but mossies could be the culprit spent alot of time near water that day definate possibility i would really like to get to the bottom of it so i can avoid it in the future but vets cant give a straight answer so i can just eliminate what it cant be at the mo, thanks for your replys folks, it settles me a little to share it and try and find some answers, atb awen I do hope your dogs are better soon, you must be gutted - I'd be out walking the route again on my own to try and find what could of caused it.... Is there a chance anyone could be poisoning certain wildlife down there, and they've eated a carcass, or bait? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waidmann 105 Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 (edited) there is a plant which can cause very serious reactions, its called herculaeum/gigantaeum. grows up to about 2m and has lots of yellow pollen( this causes the reaction) i'll google the name.and get back on here. sorry can't find it. ask a gardener. its well known and often in gardens. as i said its pretty big loks a bit like a thistle( without the thorns) might be worth a look if you are out that way although it would be helpfull to have seen a pic so you know what to look for. some towns are having people go around spraying this stuff,it doesn't belong here ans is a bad irritant anybody know what its called? Edited September 8, 2009 by waidmann Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bootsha 1,306 Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 It may be giant hogweed, large leafed soft stemmed plant, very sappy. I used to do a lot of strimming along motorway embankments and wet footpath areas etc for a living and if you hit this babe with the gut it would just disintegrate, trouble was , every bit of it that landed on your skin would result in a large blister full of water, almost instantly, almost like a fag burn or similar. I wonder have they ingested something along those lines. Very good suggestion about the charcoal, helps a lot in the case of ingested poisons / substances, hope it works out for you mate. ATB B Quote Link to post Share on other sites
awen 29 Posted September 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 maybe having a wonder around would be the best option although when its a or 5 or 6 hundred acre wood its difficult especially if im looking for a plant im not too sure about but anything worth a try. just been into the vets and the pat has definatly perked up a bit but both being kept in overnight again, its a bit too quite for my liking at the mo the sooner they get back the better Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wild_and_Irish 11 Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 I have encountered plants beside the river which cause a rash and have a very bad sting, the rash comes out all over, can't remember the name but I think its non-native to here so may also have been introduced in England, its got broad leaves and is about 1.5metres tall, any contact causes a reaction, don't know about dogs though Quote Link to post Share on other sites
awen 29 Posted September 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 thanks folks, hope they get better soon, wild and irish - does it have pink bell shaped flowers? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tis TM 8 Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 It may be giant hogweed, large leafed soft stemmed plant, very sappy. I used to do a lot of strimming along motorway embankments and wet footpath areas etc for a living and if you hit this babe with the gut it would just disintegrate, trouble was , every bit of it that landed on your skin would result in a large blister full of water, almost instantly, almost like a fag burn or similar. I wonder have they ingested something along those lines. Very good suggestion about the charcoal, helps a lot in the case of ingested poisons / substances, hope it works out for you mate. ATB B Cow Parsley, or Hemlock does that too, I had broken one over in half while I was repairing fencing once... had shorts on, and the back of my calf was rubbing against it.... Next morning It felt like it was on fire, it scarred for a good 2 years too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tis TM 8 Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 wild and irish - does it have pink bell shaped flowers? That sounds like you're describing balsam... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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