SGC refused

[mudmad 0]

Hi to all,

Well i'll start at the............start.

 

1997 - At age 17 i got nicked for affray and was given 15 months in young offenders, i served my time got my act together and kept myself out of trouble.

 

2005 - after spending a small fortune hiring guns at my local clay club i posted my SGC application. two weeks later made the mistake of driving a friends car from the pub car park to the main road (100 yards) while i was banned and got nicked . i know it was my own stupid fault so i was co-operative and told the coppers the truth and was given 30 hours community work. sometime later the feo called to come and visit and was quite understanding but off course said that he couldn't recommend me having a licence at that time and it would be better for me if i withdrew the application so i didn't have a refusal on my records, and to re apply in a couple of years. fair enough i thought.

 

2009 - re-applied --- 14 weeks later

 

feo visit today -- she walked in sat down told me my record was my downfall and said the same come back in 3 years time and said i should again withdraw the application, at that point i calmly said no that this time i would have to fight for it at which point she changed her attitude and said that it is also " police intelligence " and " known associates " that are taken into consideration. to which i informed her that it seemed to me that the police had no intelligence , to which she replied " my boss has recommended prosecuting for with holding information, which i'm against " and it was for not putting on the form that i had been banned for totting up points for speeding, she checked my cabinet and said that it was fine and said that she would put my file to her boss and that i would have my letter of refusal in a week or so .

 

so a good day all in all so i'm after some advise should i have withdrew the application ? or should i fight it ?, i have today contacted the basc but to be honest i'm not sure what they can do for me .

 

any hel / advise will be appreciated.

[chimp 299]

i have known associates but there wasnt a problem with me getting one. appeal i be thinking

[Spangle 0]

I sympathise with you, I truly do.

 

 

But, this thread, whilst giving you the advice you need, will turn into one of those " I've been inside for gbh and still got a f****n' ticket, f****n' fight it", you know what I mean, all the 'Johnny Concrete's 'will surface and proclaim how much illegal behaviour they have been into and still hold a SGC or an FAC like it's a bagde of honour!

 

 

 

Anyway, my advice would be seek legal advice, it may cost you, but you will be doing it the correct way, which may even show the Police how much you have matured over the last 2 - 3 years.

[SportingShooter 0]

I sympathise with you, I truly do.

 

 

But, this thread, whilst giving you the advice you need, will turn into one of those " I've been inside for gbh and still got a f****n' ticket, f****n' fight it", you know what I mean, all the 'Johnny Concrete's 'will surface and proclaim how much illegal behaviour they have been into and still hold a SGC or an FAC like it's a bagde of honour!

 

 

 

Anyway, my advice would be seek legal advice, it may cost you, but you will be doing it the correct way, which may even show the Police how much you have matured over the last 2 - 3 years.

Seconded

[Haystack 11]

So, you did time - twice, and then lied on a SGC?, and you didn't get it?

 

Go figure.

 

And 15 MONTHS for Affray? - You must of done something more than fistycuffs behind the bike shed.

Edited September 3, 2009 by Haystack

[HUnter_zero 58]

At age 17 i got nicked for affray

while i was banned and got nicked

" known associates "

with holding information

i'm not sure what they can do for me .

 

Not a lot I suspect but what do you expect? We all do stupid things when we are young BUT you have been banned from driving for multiple offenses, drove your friends car whilst knowingly banned. Have criminal friends and to top it all off decided not to come clean on your application.

Frankly if I were an FEO I would also have said no, you obviously have no respect for the law and as such, can NOT be trusted with a firearm of any sort.

With that out the way, and it wasn't meant to be derogatory at all, just a wake up call.

Your only hope is to keep out of trouble for five or so years and then re-apply. If you can not stay 'clean' then to be honest you do not have the right to complain. (IMHO).

 

John

[mudmad 0]

So, you did time - twice, and then lied on a SGC?, and you didn't get it?

 

Go figure.

 

And 15 MONTHS for Affray? - You must of done something more than fistycuffs behind the bike shed.

 

i did time as you put it once when i was 17 i.m now 31 and yes i was quite serious but i did my time and it was a big wake up call for me . But i did not lie on the form! I simply put afray and motoring offences. Its obvious they will check so i did'nt think to list each offence .

[mudmad 0]

At age 17 i got nicked for affray

while i was banned and got nicked

" known associates "

with holding information

i'm not sure what they can do for me .

 

Not a lot I suspect but what do you expect? We all do stupid things when we are young BUT you have been banned from driving for multiple offenses, drove your friends car whilst knowingly banned. Have criminal friends and to top it all off decided not to come clean on your application.

Frankly if I were an FEO I would also have said no, you obviously have no respect for the law and as such, can NOT be trusted with a firearm of any sort.

With that out the way, and it wasn't meant to be derogatory at all, just a wake up call.

Your only hope is to keep out of trouble for five or so years and then re-apply. If you can not stay 'clean' then to be honest you do not have the right to complain. (IMHO).

 

John

 

as far as i'm concerned i was truthfull on the form! Its up to them to check my file which i have no access to. And what ever my friends do in there own time has nothing to do with me. If they think i'm going to do something stupid with a shotgun why would i bother getting a licence when i could just buy gun if i asked about in the pub or even buy a crossbow legally which in the wrong hands can be just as deadly ?

[vulpicide 0]

At age 17 i got nicked for affray

while i was banned and got nicked

" known associates "

with holding information

i'm not sure what they can do for me .

 

Not a lot I suspect but what do you expect? We all do stupid things when we are young BUT you have been banned from driving for multiple offenses, drove your friends car whilst knowingly banned. Have criminal friends and to top it all off decided not to come clean on your application.

Frankly if I were an FEO I would also have said no, you obviously have no respect for the law and as such, can NOT be trusted with a firearm of any sort.

With that out the way, and it wasn't meant to be derogatory at all, just a wake up call.

Your only hope is to keep out of trouble for five or so years and then re-apply. If you can not stay 'clean' then to be honest you do not have the right to complain. (IMHO).

 

John

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The criteria you will be judged on will be are you a danger to the peace or the public in the future.Wait until they refuse you and then join SACS tell them whats happened

and their legal team will sort this.Basc will only represent you if they think they can win with SACS you have insurance to cover legal fees up to £100,000.

[mudmad 0]

At age 17 i got nicked for affray

while i was banned and got nicked

" known associates "

with holding information

i'm not sure what they can do for me .

 

Not a lot I suspect but what do you expect? We all do stupid things when we are young BUT you have been banned from driving for multiple offenses, drove your friends car whilst knowingly banned. Have criminal friends and to top it all off decided not to come clean on your application.

Frankly if I were an FEO I would also have said no, you obviously have no respect for the law and as such, can NOT be trusted with a firearm of any sort.

With that out the way, and it wasn't meant to be derogatory at all, just a wake up call.

Your only hope is to keep out of trouble for five or so years and then re-apply. If you can not stay 'clean' then to be honest you do not have the right to complain. (IMHO).

 

John

h

The criteria you will be judged on will be are you a danger to the peace or the public in the future.Wait until they refuse you and then join SACS tell them whats happened

and their legal team will sort this.Basc will only represent you if they think they can win with SACS you have insurance to cover legal fees up to £100,000.

 

Thanks i will have a look now.

 

i can understand that the police have to be carefull who they give these certificates to, and if i'm honest i'm glad that they dont hand them out to anyone but each case should be assessed on more than criminal convictions.

[jamie g 17]

i feel for you mate but making a mistake once is forgiving but doing a number of things is what they look at. they see braking the law some many times or tho simple things gets them thinking ! ? what if you was goingto come home one night and get the shotgun out because you had fell out with someone.

 

they take these things into account. to be fair if they looked at files of all the people in britain there are prob people that have done worse things then you and got a fac or shotgun.

 

i would seek advise and if that falls through go a couple of years and reaply again for one

[bigstu2008 9]

at age 17 in 1997 jailed now age 31 in 2009?? you lost a few years pal cause im no genius but them sums dont add up????????

[HUnter_zero 58]

as far as i'm concerned i was truthfull on the form! Its up to them to check my file . And what ever my friends do in there own time has nothing to do with me. If they think i'm going to do something stupid with a shotgun why would i bother getting a licence when i could just buy gun if i asked about in the pub [snip]to which i informed her that it seemed to me that the police had no intelligence .

 

Please, think about what I am writing here and don't take it to heart, treat it more as honest advice.

I have highlighted some text above. Each line shows flippancy and disregard for anyone other than yourself.

Lets face it, you will be judged by the company you keep and if your hanging around with known criminals then what they do in their own time has a lot to do with you, that is if you want to own a shotgun. It matters not what you are concerned with, it matters what the police are concerned with and hanging around in pubs where you can access illegal firearms, hanging around with criminals, you yourself have committed multiple offences and on top of that have the audacity to take the Micky of of the FEO when she called hinting that the police have no intelligence. Either you are blatantly stupid or very casual to your approach to life. I don't know you at all, you could be a grand chap, honest and salt of the earth type, can not say but what I can tell you is that owning a firearm is a great responsibility and being the person to recommend you can own a firearm carries an even greater responsibility.

Only you know what is going on in your head, you might well know that you would be safe, law abiding and that there would be no risk at all to the public, sadly for the rest of us, we can only look at what you have done, your previous attitude, criminal behaviour and respect for the law and what you do with your time. In short 'are you a good person and could you be trusted', if there is any doubt at all, then you should not be able to access legal firearms and rightly so. You have a few options, if you want to own legal shotguns. If it means that much to you then you'll be happy to change for what you want. Nothing in life is easy. Continue shooting at the clay club, this shows that you have experience in using shotguns safely. Change your life style, drink in better places and find smarter friends, your current ones are hindering your life. Stay legal and out of trouble, which should be easy with a change of life. If you want to go hunting, take up airgun shooting for a while. Call the FEO, explain that you were very disappointed with her decision which is why you may have seemed a little off hand and ask her advice, try being 100% genuine and honest, you might be surprised and she may well do the same.

Good luck, and I hope one day you will get your shotgun.

 

John

[ssssh1forthepot 0]

as far as i'm concerned i was truthfull on the form! Its up to them to check my file . And what ever my friends do in there own time has nothing to do with me. If they think i'm going to do something stupid with a shotgun why would i bother getting a licence when i could just buy gun if i asked about in the pub [snip]to which i informed her that it seemed to me that the police had no intelligence .

 

Please, think about what I am writing here and don't take it to heart, treat it more as honest advice.

I have highlighted some text above. Each line shows flippancy and disregard for anyone other than yourself.

Lets face it, you will be judged by the company you keep and if your hanging around with known criminals then what they do in their own time has a lot to do with you, that is if you want to own a shotgun. It matters not what you are concerned with, it matters what the police are concerned with and hanging around in pubs where you can access illegal firearms, hanging around with criminals, you yourself have committed multiple offences and on top of that have the audacity to take the Micky of of the FEO when she called hinting that the police have no intelligence. Either you are blatantly stupid or very casual to your approach to life. I don't know you at all, you could be a grand chap, honest and salt of the earth type, can not say but what I can tell you is that owning a firearm is a great responsibility and being the person to recommend you can own a firearm carries an even greater responsibility.

Only you know what is going on in your head, you might well know that you would be safe, law abiding and that there would be no risk at all to the public, sadly for the rest of us, we can only look at what you have done, your previous attitude, criminal behaviour and respect for the law and what you do with your time. In short 'are you a good person and could you be trusted', if there is any doubt at all, then you should not be able to access legal firearms and rightly so. You have a few options, if you want to own legal shotguns. If it means that much to you then you'll be happy to change for what you want. Nothing in life is easy. Continue shooting at the clay club, this shows that you have experience in using shotguns safely. Change your life style, drink in better places and find smarter friends, your current ones are hindering your life. Stay legal and out of trouble, which should be easy with a change of life. If you want to go hunting, take up airgun shooting for a while. Call the FEO, explain that you were very disappointed with her decision which is why you may have seemed a little off hand and ask her advice, try being 100% genuine and honest, you might be surprised and she may well do the same.

Good luck, and I hope one day you will get your shotgun.

 

John

 

Really John? do you? do you hope that one day he will get a shotgun???? Ill tell you now I hope he never gets one. This may seem a little harsh but ill set the scene for you.... One friday he's in his local with all his criminal friends, He is pissed out of his skull and gets into yet another serious fight (lets be honest its more than handbags in a circle and a few slaps to be sent down for affray) He then decides to get in his car pissed up and drive home(check allready done that before) for his shotgun, He then returns to the pub to settle the score from earlier and turns his local into the wild wild west! Unfortunatly in this life you are judged by the actions youve done not by what you havnt done! He has just demonstarted a total disregard for the law by saying if he really wanted one he could get one down the pub by ''asking around'' Is this pub in the middle of moss side? and to have ''known associates'' suggests to me that these are not petty criminals but more hardline oraganised criminals he's associating with. The gun laws in this country are tough enough as it is without anymore ''Dunblane'' incidents because remember everytime something bad happens within the gun world we are ALL tarred with the same brush!! This is just my honest opinion!

[HUnter_zero 58]

Really John? do you?

 

 

Hey, I hear exactly what you are saying. Fact is if the guy wants to be trusted and wants to own a legal shotgun then he has to change his ways and for the better. Habitual criminals have little hope in changing and can not stick to one thing for very long. If this chap really wants to be trusted, he has no option but to change and change over the long term to regain the trust of the police. Lets be honest here, in his adult years he has committed petty offences which can lead to more serious offences and could have lead to a death. It is for that reason the FEO will not recommend him at this point and rightly so, 100% agree. If in five to ten years he has kept himself clear of trouble and towed the line then it should be reassessed and if they guy is prepared to change his ways, his life style and genuinely work towards getting the grant of a SGC, then yes I do wish him all the best, I can not say many would do the same but if shooting sports means he will loose his friends and make him a better person and he is to do this for something many of us take for granted then the chap would have done well in my eyes and well done to him.

 

John

Edited September 4, 2009 by HUnter_zero