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[kevin em 342]

I have to agree with Bryan, it's probably not to much to get excited about. The proposed bill is mainly to stop puppy farming.

Gormless originally said he was making hunt clubs exempt from the bill but has since changed his mind and wants to include them. This is what has upset the MFHA. Whatever the liscence costs the hunts will pay them.

But what about the lad who doesn't breed but like to keep a few bitches. You'll find that those inspecting will use common sense and can tell the difference between mass production and breeding a litter for your own use.

As for all those who sit at their computers saying we have to fight for our sport, how many of you are members of the C.A. or the H.A.I. or even the N.A.R.G.C. ?????? How many support their local coursing club or point to point?

We all love to head out cross country when we get the chance but as every year goes by it's becoming less and less of a God given right and the fact is the best way to fight for our sport is by putting our hands in our pockets.

As for Gormless ? He's gone in the next election anyways.

dont cod your self neil the inspector will be appointed by gormley or one of his cronies and i cant imagine them showin any common sense towards huntin folk you can bet your life it will be some form of anti that gets this job Edited September 2, 2009 by kevin em

[neil cooney 10,416]

I have to agree with Bryan, it's probably not to much to get excited about. The proposed bill is mainly to stop puppy farming.

Gormless originally said he was making hunt clubs exempt from the bill but has since changed his mind and wants to include them. This is what has upset the MFHA. Whatever the liscence costs the hunts will pay them.

But what about the lad who doesn't breed but like to keep a few bitches. You'll find that those inspecting will use common sense and can tell the difference between mass production and breeding a litter for your own use.

As for all those who sit at their computers saying we have to fight for our sport, how many of you are members of the C.A. or the H.A.I. or even the N.A.R.G.C. ?????? How many support their local coursing club or point to point?

We all love to head out cross country when we get the chance but as every year goes by it's becoming less and less of a God given right and the fact is the best way to fight for our sport is by putting our hands in our pockets.

As for Gormless ? He's gone in the next election anyways.

dont cod your self neil the inspector will be appointed by gormley or one of his cronies and i cant imagine them showin any common sense towards huntin folk you can bet your life it will be some form of anti that gets this job

I've actually met one of the men who'll be an inspector.

A lot of people forget there's already laws regarding keeping dogs ie license and the general licence. Also there are rules in place regarding hunting too.

[kevin em 342]

I have to agree with Bryan, it's probably not to much to get excited about. The proposed bill is mainly to stop puppy farming.

Gormless originally said he was making hunt clubs exempt from the bill but has since changed his mind and wants to include them. This is what has upset the MFHA. Whatever the liscence costs the hunts will pay them.

But what about the lad who doesn't breed but like to keep a few bitches. You'll find that those inspecting will use common sense and can tell the difference between mass production and breeding a litter for your own use.

As for all those who sit at their computers saying we have to fight for our sport, how many of you are members of the C.A. or the H.A.I. or even the N.A.R.G.C. ?????? How many support their local coursing club or point to point?

We all love to head out cross country when we get the chance but as every year goes by it's becoming less and less of a God given right and the fact is the best way to fight for our sport is by putting our hands in our pockets.

As for Gormless ? He's gone in the next election anyways.

dont cod your self neil the inspector will be appointed by gormley or one of his cronies and i cant imagine them showin any common sense towards huntin folk you can bet your life it will be some form of anti that gets this job

I've actually met one of the men who'll be an inspector.

A lot of people forget there's already laws regarding keeping dogs ie license and the general licence. Also there are rules in place regarding hunting too.

i know there are laws and rules too neil but we cant take our eyes of the ball with this shower Edited September 2, 2009 by kevin em

[scent 509]

I have to agree with Bryan, it's probably not to much to get excited about. The proposed bill is mainly to stop puppy farming.

Gormless originally said he was making hunt clubs exempt from the bill but has since changed his mind and wants to include them. This is what has upset the MFHA. Whatever the liscence costs the hunts will pay them.

But what about the lad who doesn't breed but like to keep a few bitches. You'll find that those inspecting will use common sense and can tell the difference between mass production and breeding a litter for your own use.

As for all those who sit at their computers saying we have to fight for our sport, how many of you are members of the C.A. or the H.A.I. or even the N.A.R.G.C. ?????? How many support their local coursing club or point to point?

We all love to head out cross country when we get the chance but as every year goes by it's becoming less and less of a God given right and the fact is the best way to fight for our sport is by putting our hands in our pockets.

As for Gormless ? He's gone in the next election anyways.

dont cod your self neil the inspector will be appointed by gormley or one of his cronies and i cant imagine them showin any common sense towards huntin folk you can bet your life it will be some form of anti that gets this job

I've actually met one of the men who'll be an inspector.

A lot of people forget there's already laws regarding keeping dogs ie license and the general licence. Also there are rules in place regarding hunting too.

i know there are laws and rules too neil but we cant take our eyes of the ball with this shower

spot on kev if we take our eye off the ball for one minute then that us fecked

[shovel 160]

To Bryan i didn know that Gormley had to cover Ward Unions costs. I agree with Burrow Man that we need to have as many well informed people on our side as possible and hope we will all stand together UNITED for as long as it takes. atb shovel

[events co-ordinator 353]

To Bryan i didn know that Gormley had to cover Ward Unions costs. I agree with Burrow Man that we need to have as many well informed people on our side as possible and hope we will all stand together UNITED for as long as it takes. atb shovel

UNITED is the key I was very closely involved in the fight against the ban in the UK and have good knowledge on the most effective methods of lobbying but the most important thing is that your clubs must form an association so that they all sing from the same songsheet that way if there are any disagreement and there will be it can be kept internal and out of the public domain.This may not be the main threat to our sport but the sooner your ready the less chance you have of being ambushed. PM me for

advice.

[neil cooney 10,416]

I have to agree with Bryan, it's probably not to much to get excited about. The proposed bill is mainly to stop puppy farming.

Gormless originally said he was making hunt clubs exempt from the bill but has since changed his mind and wants to include them. This is what has upset the MFHA. Whatever the liscence costs the hunts will pay them.

But what about the lad who doesn't breed but like to keep a few bitches. You'll find that those inspecting will use common sense and can tell the difference between mass production and breeding a litter for your own use.

As for all those who sit at their computers saying we have to fight for our sport, how many of you are members of the C.A. or the H.A.I. or even the N.A.R.G.C. ?????? How many support their local coursing club or point to point?

We all love to head out cross country when we get the chance but as every year goes by it's becoming less and less of a God given right and the fact is the best way to fight for our sport is by putting our hands in our pockets.

As for Gormless ? He's gone in the next election anyways.

dont cod your self neil the inspector will be appointed by gormley or one of his cronies and i cant imagine them showin any common sense towards huntin folk you can bet your life it will be some form of anti that gets this job

I've actually met one of the men who'll be an inspector.

A lot of people forget there's already laws regarding keeping dogs ie license and the general licence. Also there are rules in place regarding hunting too.

i know there are laws and rules too neil but we cant take our eyes of the ball with this shower

I agree 100%.

[neil cooney 10,416]

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[Barrie 1,325]

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My advice for what it's worth....

 

I notice from their website that the Hunting Association of Ireland, unlike it's mainland counterpart (the Council of Hunting Associations) does not, nor has it, any representation from the terrier/lurcher world. It simply represents "hound sports".

 

That's not the H.A.I.'s fault. If the terrier/lurcher world aren't prepared to organise themselves and at least set up some sort of infrastructure to represent their activities, then they can't in all fairness expect someone else to do it for them.

 

There is also the added risk (and I've seen and experienced it first hand over here), that there are those within our own community who would happily sacrifice everyone else to save their own "sport".

 

The National Working Terrier Federation (N.W.T.F.) which represents terrierwork in England, Scotland and Wales was set up in 1984 at a time when terrierwork was on the verge of being legislated out of existence. Yet 25 years on terrierwork is still here and some would say in a much stronger position than any other form of hunting with dogs (the Hunting Act seeks to regulate terrierwork not ban it). So it can be done !!!

 

If the intention is to properly defend terrierwork, rather than just blow off hot air, then there are at the very least two things which need to be done ASAP.

 

1. Form a couple of associations similar to the National Working Terrier Federation and the Association of Lurcher Clubs, and unify all the clubs and terrier/lurcher owners together.

 

2. Set about drawing up and implementing voluntary Codes of Conduct which govern and describe your activities. This serves to differentiate between legitimate terrierwork as we all know and practice it, and those acts of gratuitous cruelty involving dogs which our opponents will misrepresent as being "terrierwork".

 

If you need any pointers then visit the N.W.T.F. website at www.terrierwork.com and if you need any assistance whatsoever then please PM me.

 

United you've a fighting chance, divided you may as well take up knitting J.M.H.O.

 

Kindest Regards and Best of Luck - Barrie

[kevin em 342]

www.hai.ie

 

My advice for what it's worth....

 

I notice from their website that the Hunting Association of Ireland, unlike it's mainland counterpart (the Council of Hunting Associations) does not, nor has it, any representation from the terrier/lurcher world. It simply represents "hound sports".

 

That's not the H.A.I.'s fault. If the terrier/lurcher world aren't prepared to organise themselves and at least set up some sort of infrastructure to represent their activities, then they can't in all fairness expect someone else to do it for them.

 

There is also the added risk (and I've seen and experienced it first hand over here), that there are those within our own community who would happily sacrifice everyone else to save their own "sport".

 

The National Working Terrier Federation (N.W.T.F.) which represents terrierwork in England, Scotland and Wales was set up in 1984 at a time when terrierwork was on the verge of being legislated out of existence. Yet 25 years on terrierwork is still here and some would say in a much stronger position than any other form of hunting with dogs (the Hunting Act seeks to regulate terrierwork not ban it). So it can be done !!!

 

If the intention is to properly defend terrierwork, rather than just blow off hot air, then there are at the very least two things which need to be done ASAP.

 

1. Form a couple of associations similar to the National Working Terrier Federation and the Association of Lurcher Clubs, and unify all the clubs and terrier/lurcher owners together.

 

2. Set about drawing up and implementing voluntary Codes of Conduct which govern and describe your activities. This serves to differentiate between legitimate terrierwork as we all know and practice it, and those acts of gratuitous cruelty involving dogs which our opponents will misrepresent as being "terrierwork".

 

If you need any pointers then visit the N.W.T.F. website at www.terrierwork.com and if you need any assistance whatsoever then please PM me.

 

United you've a fighting chance, divided you may as well take up knitting J.M.H.O.

 

Kindest Regards and Best of Luck - Barrie

some good pointers there barry we had a workin terrier association of ireland i myself paid into it and that was the last i heard of it

[Barrie 1,325]

www.hai.ie

 

My advice for what it's worth....

 

I notice from their website that the Hunting Association of Ireland, unlike it's mainland counterpart (the Council of Hunting Associations) does not, nor has it, any representation from the terrier/lurcher world. It simply represents "hound sports".

 

That's not the H.A.I.'s fault. If the terrier/lurcher world aren't prepared to organise themselves and at least set up some sort of infrastructure to represent their activities, then they can't in all fairness expect someone else to do it for them.

 

There is also the added risk (and I've seen and experienced it first hand over here), that there are those within our own community who would happily sacrifice everyone else to save their own "sport".

 

The National Working Terrier Federation (N.W.T.F.) which represents terrierwork in England, Scotland and Wales was set up in 1984 at a time when terrierwork was on the verge of being legislated out of existence. Yet 25 years on terrierwork is still here and some would say in a much stronger position than any other form of hunting with dogs (the Hunting Act seeks to regulate terrierwork not ban it). So it can be done !!!

 

If the intention is to properly defend terrierwork, rather than just blow off hot air, then there are at the very least two things which need to be done ASAP.

 

1. Form a couple of associations similar to the National Working Terrier Federation and the Association of Lurcher Clubs, and unify all the clubs and terrier/lurcher owners together.

 

2. Set about drawing up and implementing voluntary Codes of Conduct which govern and describe your activities. This serves to differentiate between legitimate terrierwork as we all know and practice it, and those acts of gratuitous cruelty involving dogs which our opponents will misrepresent as being "terrierwork".

 

If you need any pointers then visit the N.W.T.F. website at www.terrierwork.com and if you need any assistance whatsoever then please PM me.

 

United you've a fighting chance, divided you may as well take up knitting J.M.H.O.

 

Kindest Regards and Best of Luck - Barrie

some good pointers there barry we had a workin terrier association of ireland i myself paid into it and that was the last i heard of it

 

Hi Kev

 

Yes I remember it too and I'm not sure what went wrong there, anything I have heard has been purely hearsay. But if it's any help to anyone this is the way things are organised over here....

 

1. Membership of the N.W.T.F. is open to clubs rather than individuals. That way the administration/communication is kept to a minimum, it's manageable and little more work than that which already exists in the clubs.

 

2. The N.W.T.F. Committee consists of its Member Clubs, with one vote per club. That way it's truly democratic and there are also no "tin gods" or "cash cows".

 

3. The N.W.T.F. Officers (Chair, Vice Chair, Treasurer etc) are elected annually by a vote of Member Clubs at the AGM.

 

4. The N.W.T.F. is funded by Member Club subscriptions and donations, a list of which are distributed along with a full set of accounts at the AGM (no room for fiddles).

 

I hope this helps.

 

Kindest Regards - Barrie

[vulpicide 0]

www.hai.ie

 

My advice for what it's worth....

 

I notice from their website that the Hunting Association of Ireland, unlike it's mainland counterpart (the Council of Hunting Associations) does not, nor has it, any representation from the terrier/lurcher world. It simply represents "hound sports".

 

That's not the H.A.I.'s fault. If the terrier/lurcher world aren't prepared to organise themselves and at least set up some sort of infrastructure to represent their activities, then they can't in all fairness expect someone else to do it for them.

 

There is also the added risk (and I've seen and experienced it first hand over here), that there are those within our own community who would happily sacrifice everyone else to save their own "sport".

 

The National Working Terrier Federation (N.W.T.F.) which represents terrierwork in England, Scotland and Wales was set up in 1984 at a time when terrierwork was on the verge of being legislated out of existence. Yet 25 years on terrierwork is still here and some would say in a much stronger position than any other form of hunting with dogs (the Hunting Act seeks to regulate terrierwork not ban it). So it can be done !!! The NWTF best result was in the Scottish parliament I know Barrie was as sick of the sight of Edinburgh as I was but the UNITED front put up by the Practitioners sealed the argument thats why terrier work and hound work came out on top. YIS

 

If the intention is to properly defend terrierwork, rather than just blow off hot air, then there are at the very least two things which need to be done ASAP.

 

1. Form a couple of associations similar to the National Working Terrier Federation and the Association of Lurcher Clubs, and unify all the clubs and terrier/lurcher owners together.

 

2. Set about drawing up and implementing voluntary Codes of Conduct which govern and describe your activities. This serves to differentiate between legitimate terrierwork as we all know and practice it, and those acts of gratuitous cruelty involving dogs which our opponents will misrepresent as being "terrierwork".

 

If you need any pointers then visit the N.W.T.F. website at www.terrierwork.com and if you need any assistance whatsoever then please PM me.

 

United you've a fighting chance, divided you may as well take up knitting J.M.H.O.

 

Kindest Regards and Best of Luck - Barrie

some good pointers there barry we had a workin terrier association of ireland i myself paid into it and that was the last i heard of it

 

Hi Kev

 

Yes I remember it too and I'm not sure what went wrong there, anything I have heard has been purely hearsay. But if it's any help to anyone this is the way things are organised over here....

 

1. Membership of the N.W.T.F. is open to clubs rather than individuals. That way the administration/communication is kept to a minimum, it's manageable and little more work than that which already exists in the clubs.

 

2. The N.W.T.F. Committee consists of its Member Clubs, with one vote per club. That way it's truly democratic and there are also no "tin gods" or "cash cows".

 

3. The N.W.T.F. Officers (Chair, Vice Chair, Treasurer etc) are elected annually by a vote of Member Clubs at the AGM.

 

4. The N.W.T.F. is funded by Member Club subscriptions and donations, a list of which are distributed along with a full set of accounts at the AGM (no room for fiddles).

 

I hope this helps.

 

Kindest Regards - Barrie

[vulpicide 0]

hi lads just to let you know i was at the irish master of foxhounds meeting in eire og gaa club last week. the greens are trying to ban hunting with dogs by trying to licence people that have more than 3 bitchs in their kennels you would have to pay an unreal amount of money. this would put many if not all clubs to the wall. we have to fight this head on lads. also martin ferris came to the meeting (sein fein). He said the party are fully behind the hunting fraternity and he will get the full support of his party behind us. he said it was a young member that pushed through the anti hunting bill in their last ard fheis and he said he knows the majority of his party will get behind us. tiocfaidh ar la lads.

I must support what Barrie says as I know he was as fed up as I was at the sight of Edinburgh but thre was a United front put forward by the Practitioners an it payed off as hounds and terriers came off best under the act. Lurchers on the other hand most of the lurcher guys said it wouldn't affect them so they got what they asked for nothing,remember this we had to listen to the doom and gloom merchants but we proved them wrong we used lobbying techniques that had never been tried before they were hugely succesful. You must have reasonable articulate experienced people to put forward as your public face,Barrie can advise on this I'm going to contact him and no doubt he will help out. YIS

[Bryan 1,362]

Just to say there is a code of conduct for terrier work in Ireland. It's been in place for well over 10 years and has been accepted by the government as acceptable.

the anti's in Ireland have made repeated efforts to get the code of conduct written into law(so they could police and punish digging) but so far the ministers involved have stated they are happy with the voluntary nature of the code and are unaware of any breaches of the code.

 

Bryan

[Barrie 1,325]

Just to say there is a code of conduct for terrier work in Ireland. It's been in place for well over 10 years and has been accepted by the government as acceptable.

the anti's in Ireland have made repeated efforts to get the code of conduct written into law(so they could police and punish digging) but so far the ministers involved have stated they are happy with the voluntary nature of the code and are unaware of any breaches of the code.

 

Bryan

 

Hi Bryan

 

Thanks for the response and that's really good news.... would you have any idea where a copy of the Code might be available ?

 

Please feel free to PM if neccessary.

 

Y.I.S. - Barrie