AL BUNDY 45 Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 youll never change the antis they know there wrong but never will admit to it and the mp,s know it . our biggest enemys are within field sports on saturday was at a job when the clown next door starts what you doing why you doing it etc.he then noticed my waterloo cup hat.whats that he asks explained it to him and he starts thats cruel etc then goes on to tell me about his great salmon fishing trips but thats alright because fish dont feel pain he knows because he had one on the bank [still alive] and he stuck it about six times with a knife and it never moved. another time we were collecting names for a petition [before the ban] was told no by shooters as it didnt affect them.was once told how cruel i was for ferriting by a woman that owned six fur coats . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lurcher lass 9 Posted August 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 youll never change the antis they know there wrong but never will admit to it and the mp,s know it . our biggest enemys are within field sports on saturday was at a job when the clown next door starts what you doing why you doing it etc.he then noticed my waterloo cup hat.whats that he asks explained it to him and he starts thats cruel etc then goes on to tell me about his great salmon fishing trips but thats alright because fish dont feel pain he knows because he had one on the bank [still alive] and he stuck it about six times with a knife and it never moved. another time we were collecting names for a petition [before the ban] was told no by shooters as it didnt affect them.was once told how cruel i was for ferriting by a woman that owned six fur coats . thats mad!! did she never think where her fur came from?! as i'm sure you know their are certain aspects of the fur trade where its completly wrong in many ways, like captive bred mink, housed in small crates with many numbers and skinned alive as its easier and less strain put onto the pelt! it don't surprise me about the shooters though as far as they were concerned it was in their favour, now only rabbit and rat can be dealt with dogs means hares, foxes, deer, AND birds are all for the shooters! . . you may not change the current anti's but the people just sitting on the fence, not for or against are the ones we should target as it could help for any potential votes regarding the ban,,then the message would be carried onto the younger generation hopefully . . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poacher3161 1,766 Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 GOOD LUCK Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 We should never forget that the vast majority of the country are in fact indifferent towards hunting, either support it or have no opinion. The problem is that the vocal minority shout louder than the silent majority and start believing in their own hype, they're shouting louder so they must be right. We need to start shouting back, not in a violent way, but by not being ashamed of what we do and not hiding anything we feel might seem unpleasant to these antis. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ROUGH COATED Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 I think the ANTI'S just like being part of somethink'Make's them feel good in them selve's being part of a group Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lurcher lass 9 Posted August 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 yea i agree, if you've grown up in a city, have parents who are indifferent about hunting then see these vids on you tube about how horrible we are killing these innocent animals . . their going to think of bambi and peter rabbit if thats all they've known . . then joining a group protecting said animals must be a feel good factor, which is human nature to crave,, i love providing a dinner where i've killed the meat and grew the veg for my daughter to eat,, its human nature to want to feel good about yourself . . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AL BUNDY 45 Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 did anybody ever see the penn and teller prog / bullshit about peta icant remember word for word but the gist of it was second in charge was been kept alive with injections made from animal parts but that was alright cause it kept her alive to fight for animal rights Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nightshiner 2 Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 the way forward starts at home teach our kids not even teach as they grow with us learning the proper ways about our sport and i belive it flows from there they educate whoever they meet in life none of us should feel improper about the great sport we love, as yous all know walking your dogs you get the looks from the uneducated if they would give 5 minutes to listen to our views and see our dogs properly they might look through different eyes,i for one will die showing those that dont know what a great sport we have if im given the time, i know theres hardcore antis there but bring hard times and they would be the first in line for a rabbit to feed the kids, they need to talk to there grandparents to understand, like i say teach the kids we will get there Quote Link to post Share on other sites
COMPO 54 Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 I agree with lurcher lass and a few others have made valid points like maltenby. The vast majority are indifferent. Anti's are brainwashed and the MP's listen to who writes letters the most. We lost it when it became a class issue, the idiotic Labour Mp's didn't see the wider consequences and were that mad at the "toffs in red coats" that they didn't care for a bit of collateral damage. I have said this millions of times and will say it again....I blame the Countryside Alliance.....the old BFSS represented everyone and that showed by the booklets they put out etc.......THE CA were trying to fight the ban and losing and why were they losing? In my opinion they lost because every time they had someone talking to the media it usually involved a pack of hounds in the background and some bloke called rupert with a plummy accent! Now i have nothing against rupert, his hounds or his accent ......but the labour class warriors do have and when the general public think its something that only affects the "upper" classes they tend to lose any sympathy they could have had! If the CA had interviewed Rupert as well as Wayne the lurcher lad, Andy the ferreter and mike the labourer who keeps terriers....the media would have realised the depth of what was happening and the class warriors might of changed sides! If the CA were switched on at all they would have paid for TV adverts and follwed a lad home from work (preferably a long shift in a dirty factory for maximum PR affect) and showed how he hunted and how its a wider range of people that will be affected by the ban than just Rupert and Jonty and the 40 couple of bayinghounds. They tried it but it was too little too late with the miner , the nurse and the black lass on those few billboards I was saying this before the ban as well ! perhaps someone somewhere could show the true casualties of the hunting act and point out that the hounds are still out.........but its the lad with his lurcher thats more affected! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
greatwhitehunter 47 Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 to be honest the ban doesnt really bother me that much, obviously its a pain in the arse because we cant have the waterloo cup and other stuff but ill do what i like, and they can give me a stretch in prison if they really like but as soon as i come out id just go back out lamping Quote Link to post Share on other sites
badgeroy 3 Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 (edited) Hello Annmarie, you have got a very good point in what your saying about educating people into the proper conduct of our sport and i totaly agree with shooting being less humain than the working dog. Here's why. Recently i have been going out with someone who shoots with a 22 bullet rifle and alot of the time time when he shot a rabbit it hit it as you could plainly here it sounding like a stick being whacked against a bit of leather but the rabbit on a number of occasions kept running and got in to the hedge and without a doubt died later from the result of being hit with bullet. At one point i saw a rabbit take 2 22 bullets and still kept going till i shot it with a BSA scorpion t10 pcp rifle. That was 3 shots to stop 1 rabbit! What the antis see with dogs is a rabbit or hare or even a fox being run down till its cough and killed but if the dog or dogs miss there quarry at least it lives to see another day rather than crawling away i dieing a slow painfull bloody death thats fact not fiction by the way before anybody jumps in and wants to start slagging people off! And before anybody says yeh but if you hit it in the right spot its instant death but that isnt always the case as you all well know so no clint eastwood replys to this post thanks. Now with a dog or dogs they either miss or catch in witch case if they catch the what ever it is its dispached of stright away! Excellent thread Annmarie xx Part of this post is what causes the problem, shooters were looking for support when certain guns were banned, then hunters were looking for support before the hunting ban but country sports never support each other so we are divided all the time, so divided we fall. Edited September 1, 2009 by badgeroy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poacher3161 1,766 Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 I agree with lurcher lass and a few others have made valid points like maltenby. The vast majority are indifferent. Anti's are brainwashed and the MP's listen to who writes letters the most. We lost it when it became a class issue, the idiotic Labour Mp's didn't see the wider consequences and were that mad at the "toffs in red coats" that they didn't care for a bit of collateral damage. I have said this millions of times and will say it again....I blame the Countryside Alliance.....the old BFSS represented everyone and that showed by the booklets they put out etc.......THE CA were trying to fight the ban and losing and why were they losing? In my opinion they lost because every time they had someone talking to the media it usually involved a pack of hounds in the background and some bloke called rupert with a plummy accent! Now i have nothing against rupert, his hounds or his accent ......but the labour class warriors do have and when the general public think its something that only affects the "upper" classes they tend to lose any sympathy they could have had! If the CA had interviewed Rupert as well as Wayne the lurcher lad, Andy the ferreter and mike the labourer who keeps terriers....the media would have realised the depth of what was happening and the class warriors might of changed sides! If the CA were switched on at all they would have paid for TV adverts and follwed a lad home from work (preferably a long shift in a dirty factory for maximum PR affect) and showed how he hunted and how its a wider range of people that will be affected by the ban than just Rupert and Jonty and the 40 couple of bayinghounds. They tried it but it was too little too late with the miner , the nurse and the black lass on those few billboards I was saying this before the ban as well ! perhaps someone somewhere could show the true casualties of the hunting act and point out that the hounds are still out.........but its the lad with his lurcher thats more affected! Very well said thats it all in a nut shell atb dell Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lurcher lass 9 Posted September 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 I agree with lurcher lass and a few others have made valid points like maltenby. The vast majority are indifferent. Anti's are brainwashed and the MP's listen to who writes letters the most. We lost it when it became a class issue, the idiotic Labour Mp's didn't see the wider consequences and were that mad at the "toffs in red coats" that they didn't care for a bit of collateral damage. I have said this millions of times and will say it again....I blame the Countryside Alliance.....the old BFSS represented everyone and that showed by the booklets they put out etc.......THE CA were trying to fight the ban and losing and why were they losing? In my opinion they lost because every time they had someone talking to the media it usually involved a pack of hounds in the background and some bloke called rupert with a plummy accent! Now i have nothing against rupert, his hounds or his accent ......but the labour class warriors do have and when the general public think its something that only affects the "upper" classes they tend to lose any sympathy they could have had! If the CA had interviewed Rupert as well as Wayne the lurcher lad, Andy the ferreter and mike the labourer who keeps terriers....the media would have realised the depth of what was happening and the class warriors might of changed sides! If the CA were switched on at all they would have paid for TV adverts and follwed a lad home from work (preferably a long shift in a dirty factory for maximum PR affect) and showed how he hunted and how its a wider range of people that will be affected by the ban than just Rupert and Jonty and the 40 couple of bayinghounds. They tried it but it was too little too late with the miner , the nurse and the black lass on those few billboards I was saying this before the ban as well ! perhaps someone somewhere could show the true casualties of the hunting act and point out that the hounds are still out.........but its the lad with his lurcher thats more affected! i completly agree with you mate!! and your able to write a lot clearer then i ever will - english was never my strong point even now in the countrymans weekly whenever they chat of the hunting ban theres a photo of hounds in the background and like ye say there is just so much more effected then hounds, i'm sure if enough of us put our heads together that we'd be able to at least try and put the general public in the picture . . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 I agree with lurcher lass and a few others have made valid points like maltenby. The vast majority are indifferent. Anti's are brainwashed and the MP's listen to who writes letters the most. We lost it when it became a class issue, the idiotic Labour Mp's didn't see the wider consequences and were that mad at the "toffs in red coats" that they didn't care for a bit of collateral damage. I have said this millions of times and will say it again....I blame the Countryside Alliance.....the old BFSS represented everyone and that showed by the booklets they put out etc.......THE CA were trying to fight the ban and losing and why were they losing? In my opinion they lost because every time they had someone talking to the media it usually involved a pack of hounds in the background and some bloke called rupert with a plummy accent! Now i have nothing against rupert, his hounds or his accent ......but the labour class warriors do have and when the general public think its something that only affects the "upper" classes they tend to lose any sympathy they could have had! If the CA had interviewed Rupert as well as Wayne the lurcher lad, Andy the ferreter and mike the labourer who keeps terriers....the media would have realised the depth of what was happening and the class warriors might of changed sides! If the CA were switched on at all they would have paid for TV adverts and follwed a lad home from work (preferably a long shift in a dirty factory for maximum PR affect) and showed how he hunted and how its a wider range of people that will be affected by the ban than just Rupert and Jonty and the 40 couple of bayinghounds. They tried it but it was too little too late with the miner , the nurse and the black lass on those few billboards I was saying this before the ban as well ! perhaps someone somewhere could show the true casualties of the hunting act and point out that the hounds are still out.........but its the lad with his lurcher thats more affected! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stag1 3 Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 lurcher lass some good posts . as they say 59% of the public say keep hunting . i think it was just the antis puting more patter on then the hunts so it looks as tho they are good people trying to stop hunting . but i think if all us fellow hunters could prove all the anti/ m.ps ther rong we could free the ban. just do what them used to do send the govment lodsa letters and tell him our point of view atb to the hunters stag1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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