paddy31 120 Posted August 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 If concrete evidence can be provided YES they have got to be named and shamed.The antis are fast enough to do it even [bANNED TEXT] theirs no convictions been secured.atb dell Well when the man that has the dog tells you that he has the dog and he wont part with it i'd say thats concrete enough evidence wouln't you? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
squint 17 Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 People need to start learning what the term 'Grass' means, I always thought it was to tell tales on one of your own. People get called it for all sorts on here. As far as I know, most of the decent dog people on this site wouldn't class a dog thief as one of their own, so how could a person be a grass for naming & shaming? The word "GRASS" and it's meaning.That is were there is a grey area is,like you say they get called it for allsorts on here.Mostly for the reason someone doesn't like you but can't back up there arguement.As my teacher used to say"the stronger the words,the weaker the arguement" There are a lot of decent people on here and like you say wouldn't class a dog thief as there own, but what if one of your own was doing something you did not find acceptable..mugging OAP's,paedo(these are just worst examples I can think of) but because there dog men/dog women would this make it acceptable? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
redneckwarior 0 Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Well lads should we name and shame any of these dog thieves if we find out who they are?Kevin m put up a post naming a man how has a stolen dog that he knows is stolen and then when he asked why it was deleted he was told it was slander as far as I know its only slander if its not the truth and in this case it is.Kevin had a bit of a go at the mod then which was under standable as he is sick to the teeth of all these dogs been robbed and the mod just deleted him from the site.I thought this was a free speech site where you could air you thoughts and not be deleted for doing so.Whats your thoughts on this thats if its left up long enough for people to read. Regards Paddy31 if there proven by law two be scum bags they should be treated like scumbags. un never no u might be buyin stolen dogs pups etc.if you have got a pick of person u obviously wouldnt be buying it then if you reckognised them. if proven.. u no how it gets out of hand on here .. if youve got proof name shame put there adress on here fk em low life. if my dogs were robd id want blood. and i would b getting if i found whom had taken my dogs.u put a life time into your dog why should some cock b taking ur effort and hard earnd off you.string them up in public for all two see. kangaroo cort them .. rant over.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poacher3161 1,766 Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 If concrete evidence can be provided YES they have got to be named and shamed.The antis are fast enough to do it even [bANNED TEXT] theirs no convictions been secured.atb dell Well when the man that has the dog tells you that he has the dog and he wont part with it i'd say thats concrete enough evidence wouln't you? YES like the one we found in edgewere after being stolen in s.yorks in the 90s but the woman of the house claimed she had found it on the street in edgeware.Even though travellers had stole them it was another travellers info that secured us getting them back.He was no grass just a decent well respected man.atb dell Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trev 4 Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 LOL LOL Nobody is grassing on anybody there just keeping fellow dog men/women informed of who is stealing dogs. Look im not going to get into this in to much detail for my own reasons, but all Kev M as i persume this is were this debate is steming from was telling his fellow dog men to beware of a certain individual. So if ye want to get all technical and Tony "SOPRANO" on this one heres how you way sum up the situation. In organised crime, which there is alot of about today people look out of each other, good faces look other for their own and other faces around them, so if somebody within the community steps out of line these people inform each other for the sole reason of protecting one another so nothing bad will happen again, they usually deal with the problem in house and without the help of any other enforcement agency lol. So here in the working dog community it works the same, we inform each other of who is who and who is not to be trusted, so wether its by phone, word of mouth internet or any other method alls we are doing is looking out for each other. Different sittuations and ways of life but equal meaning. Think about it people by doing what it takes to weed out the scum from our communities which ever one it is we are not grasses end of. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scent 509 Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 (edited) well yee all know where i stand on this ,im been ranting and raving the last few days about it.Dogs are my life as they are to alot of members on here .If my dogs got nicked and a member on here knew where they were id expect them to tell me and visa versa.The term grassing doesnt even come into it when it comes to stolen dogs.If a kid was kidnapped and you knew who had the kid would you tell the police or the child family i think yes.To me its the very same when dogs are stolen.Alot of lads on here live on their own all the live for is their dogs ,thats their pride and joy and for some prick to have the cheek to try take them away ,the least they deserve is every chance of getting them back Y.I.S Brian Edited August 28, 2009 by scent Quote Link to post Share on other sites
redneckwarior 0 Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 i would say 99.9% on here would say name them u dont want to be having dealings with theses kind of low life and if it is proven shouldnt be allowed on here pedeling dogs or what ever else they are stealing..and u wouldnt want this forum asosiated with the place to be buyin all your nock off from . would bring the site into desripute.. as for grassing well ur as bad as the theives if you keep shtum?? are u not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
6868 0 Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 honour amongst theifs two people do a job one grasses the other to me thats grassing this code shouldnt apply to us/victims or anyone else. i dont know about anyone else but i couldnt sit at home and watch next doors house get robbed which is what some on here expect us to do it seems. these theifs should expect the worst im all in for this name and shaming. black list them make it hard for them to move anything on because there names too hot.. i reckon it would have an affect given the chance,enough time and more people committed to it, . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
squint 17 Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 LOL LOL Nobody is grassing on anybody there just keeping fellow dog men/women informed of who is stealing dogs. Look im not going to get into this in to much detail for my own reasons, but all Kev M as i persume this is were this debate is steming from was telling his fellow dog men to beware of a certain individual. So if ye want to get all technical and Tony "SOPRANO" on this one heres how you way sum up the situation. In organised crime, which there is alot of about today people look out of each other, good faces look other for their own and other faces around them, so if somebody within the community steps out of line these people inform each other for the sole reason of protecting one another so nothing bad will happen again, they usually deal with the problem in house and without the help of any other enforcement agency lol. So here in the working dog community it works the same, we inform each other of who is who and who is not to be trusted, so wether its by phone, word of mouth internet or any other method alls we are doing is looking out for each other. Different sittuations and ways of life but equal meaning. Think about it people by doing what it takes to weed out the scum from our communities which ever one it is we are not grasses end of. Cheers Trev Your point is spot on mate and throughly understand what your saying,but like everything it is a two way street. What happens when dogman A has a problem with dogman B ..and starts going round saying dogman B has done this and he's done that as i'm quite sure there is some malicious on here who take great delight in other peoples misery,and stirring up hornets nests... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trev 4 Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Again Squint its like everything, there are maliciuos people in all walks of life, there are people who enjoy hurting others and that will always happen, whats more important is good men will know who is right and who is wrong and thats why its important for communities to stick together so they can see with many eyes and not rose tinted glasses. I will leave it there mate, you asked about grasses i hope i cleared it up for you and others Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poacher3161 1,766 Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 This scumbag low life stealing of dogs can only be curbed by decent dog lads and if it means nameing and shameing them so be it.But a word of warning if the police get involved they love it [bANNED TEXT] dog lads are fighting amongst themselfs and has previous exspierience has taught me not to believe the words of the law.atb dell Quote Link to post Share on other sites
macker 5 Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 squint please god a dog never gets stolen on you as when you might be needing help or a name from here or off people you know but wont give any info because they dont want to be a grass.and same with a mod who is unlucky enough to get a dog stolen in the future. and know he played some part in making life easier for the thief. after all its not thl putting up names its the person who starts the thread macker Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rolfe 2 Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 I don't know HOW to do it,...but could someone maybe start one of those POLL threads... I genuinely think that a website as large and as powerful as The Hunting Life can do something towards 'naming and shaming' anyone who NEEDS to be named and shamed... However,..it is imperative that personal issues and private disputes do not get dragged into the matter And please remember,...anything that is put down in words,...CAN constitute a LIBEL,.and trust me,..it can get emotional SO,..before the noose is tightened around a man's neck,..lets make quite sure he is worthy of the long drop...Lets try as best we can,.to get our FACTS right,.. and never allow a 'Witch Hunt' to occur based solely upon a frenzied and often hysterical call to arms... In short,..lets wait until we are quite certain over the various issues, and if a culprit is guilty (of 'whatever ' is deemed to be a bad thing),.then as a hunting forum,..lets send him to hell... That's entirely my point Chalky. Where do you draw the line. If someone has a personal grudge about another member how easy would it be to plaster "Dog Thief" all over the hunting life. If it happened like that to any of you..........you would quiet rightly expect the Mods to do something about it..........and remove the offending post. As mods we have NO way of knowing if an accusation is genuine or not. I hate thieves.......full stop........just as much as the next man but you have got to be reaslistic and see it from all angles. I Have asked the question about naming and shaming in the mods section to see if we can get some clarity on the situation.........i will keep you informed. Rolfe. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
squint 17 Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Thanks all for a decent debate and it has cleared up a few points in a round about way... I agree with Chalkwarren Macker if it's your dog i hope you get it sorted Cheers all And may the force be with you :piggy: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
swamp rat 0 Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 if theres a poll the majority vote will be yes to name and shame so get it up and get voting. the mods will have to back down on this one Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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