Springer Field Trial - next week

[welshboy454 3]

There is a field trial being held on the 28th/29th August 2009 at Gunnerside Estate North Yorkshire.

The ground is described as steep grassy slopes, rushes and moorland.

 

I see no mention of brambles/furze/blackthorn !

 

If anyone attends could they please give some feedback to those of us unable to go as to the suitability of the test of cover ( If any) these dogs are asked to face and whether it is typical spaniel country or more suited to the HPR breeds

[lewismac1 1]

I see no mention of brambles/furze/blackthorn

 

At a spaniel trial, all dog's are expected to face any cover.

 

Including bramble's and blackthron.

[welshboy454 3]

I see no mention of brambles/furze/blackthorn

 

At a spaniel trial, all dog's are expected to face any cover.

 

Including bramble's and blackthron.

Glad to hear that confirmation- its just that the description below does not say that.

 

NORTH WESTERN COUNTIES FIELD TRIALS ASSOCIATION.

AV. SPANIEL & OPEN SPRINGER SPANIEL TRIALS 2009.

I.D. Number 217.

STAKE 1. On Friday 28th. August 2009 for 18 Open English Springer Spaniels at Gunnerside Estate, North Yorkshire,

by kind permission of R.W. Miller Esq.

For dogs which have gained a First, Second or Third in Open Stakes or First in All-Aged or

Novice Stakes.

Steward of the Beat:-T. Frost Esq.

- Judges:- E.A. Martin Esq. (AP1994) J. Grainger Esq. (BP 2038)

This Stake is run on very steep moorland consisting of steep grassy slopes, rushes and rough ground.

Strong footwear and a good level of fitness is required.

STAKE 2. On Saturday 29th. August 2009 for 18 Novice A/V Spaniels (Incl. Cocker), at Gunnerside Estate, North

Yorkshire, by kind permission of R.W. Miller Esq. Preference in the draw will be given to dogs which have

not gained a First, Second or Third in Open Stakes or First in All-Aged Stakes.

Steward of the Beat:- T. Frost Esq.

Judges:- E.A. Martin Esq. (AP1994) R. Caydon Esq. (NP 2749)

This Stake is run on very steep moorland consisting of steep grassy slopes, rushes and rough ground.

Strong footwear and a good level of fitness is required.

 

This is a quote from the following link

"Every dog was well tested, and it was good to hear many of the handlers commenting at the end of the trial how nice it was to have a woodland trial, as most novice trials in Scotland are on rushes, white grass or heather."

 

http://www.csjk9.com/news/strathmore-gundo...autum_p169.html

Edited August 20, 2009 by welshboy454

[jessdale 416]

There is a field trial being held on the 28th/29th August 2009 at Gunnerside Estate North Yorkshire.

The ground is described as steep grassy slopes, rushes and moorland.

 

I see no mention of brambles/furze/blackthorn !

 

If anyone attends could they please give some feedback to those of us unable to go as to the suitability of the test of cover ( If any) these dogs are asked to face and whether it is typical spaniel country or more suited to the HPR breeds

The trial will be run on rabbits,therefore the grassy slope,rushes and moorland will be able to provide game for such a trial.A rabbit trial run on ground covered in brambles/furze/blackthorn would not,i suspect,provide the shooting opportunities,at the bolting rabbits, that a trial would require.I am sure once the shooting season is under way there will be trials run in cover that is "thick".

[welshboy454 3]

There is a field trial being held on the 28th/29th August 2009 at Gunnerside Estate North Yorkshire.

The ground is described as steep grassy slopes, rushes and moorland.

 

I see no mention of brambles/furze/blackthorn !

 

If anyone attends could they please give some feedback to those of us unable to go as to the suitability of the test of cover ( If any) these dogs are asked to face and whether it is typical spaniel country or more suited to the HPR breeds

The trial will be run on rabbits,therefore the grassy slope,rushes and moorland will be able to provide game for such a trial.A rabbit trial run on ground covered in brambles/furze/blackthorn would not,i suspect,provide the shooting opportunities,at the bolting rabbits, that a trial would require.I am sure once the shooting season is under way there will be trials run in cover that is "thick".

The following is how a FTCh is awarded according to : http://www.gundog-magazine.com/brtrials.htm

 

Springer Spaniel Trials

Opens are only run over one day with the Championship being over two.

 

One win in an Open qualifies for the championships. Two Open wins makes a Field Trial Champion. (Cockers are the same but the Championship is only over one day)

 

This raises a question can a FTCH be awarded to a dog who has only trialled on grass/rushes/heather and never on blackthorn/brambles/furze by picking the ground ?

[hily 380]

I see no mention of brambles/furze/blackthorn

 

At a spaniel trial, all dog's are expected to face any cover.

 

Including bramble's and blackthron.

Glad to hear that confirmation- its just that the description below does not say that.

 

NORTH WESTERN COUNTIES FIELD TRIALS ASSOCIATION.

AV. SPANIEL & OPEN SPRINGER SPANIEL TRIALS 2009.

I.D. Number 217.

STAKE 1. On Friday 28th. August 2009 for 18 Open English Springer Spaniels at Gunnerside Estate, North Yorkshire,

by kind permission of R.W. Miller Esq.

For dogs which have gained a First, Second or Third in Open Stakes or First in All-Aged or

Novice Stakes.

Steward of the Beat:-T. Frost Esq.

- Judges:- E.A. Martin Esq. (AP1994) J. Grainger Esq. (BP 2038)

This Stake is run on very steep moorland consisting of steep grassy slopes, rushes and rough ground.

Strong footwear and a good level of fitness is required.

STAKE 2. On Saturday 29th. August 2009 for 18 Novice A/V Spaniels (Incl. Cocker), at Gunnerside Estate, North

Yorkshire, by kind permission of R.W. Miller Esq. Preference in the draw will be given to dogs which have

not gained a First, Second or Third in Open Stakes or First in All-Aged Stakes.

Steward of the Beat:- T. Frost Esq.

Judges:- E.A. Martin Esq. (AP1994) R. Caydon Esq. (NP 2749)

This Stake is run on very steep moorland consisting of steep grassy slopes, rushes and rough ground.

Strong footwear and a good level of fitness is required.

 

This is a quote from the following link

"Every dog was well tested, and it was good to hear many of the handlers commenting at the end of the trial how nice it was to have a woodland trial, as most novice trials in Scotland are on rushes, white grass or heather."

 

http://www.csjk9.com/news/strathmore-gundo...autum_p169.html

hunting heather for bunnys is hard going some times have to put vasaline on bitches teats to prevent friction burns

[rickyspringer 15]

I know a dog which is entered into this test, he is currently a ftw and the owner believes he may be in contention of winning this one, I do not believe that its a problem with there not being an abudance of thick cover, these dogs aren't trained to just compete in this type of trial, they have to be verstaile... So theoretically these dogs in this trial will definitely be able to smash heavy cover.

 

Ricky

[hily 380]

There is a field trial being held on the 28th/29th August 2009 at Gunnerside Estate North Yorkshire.

The ground is described as steep grassy slopes, rushes and moorland.

 

I see no mention of brambles/furze/blackthorn !

 

If anyone attends could they please give some feedback to those of us unable to go as to the suitability of the test of cover ( If any) these dogs are asked to face and whether it is typical spaniel country or more suited to the HPR breeds

not a fan of field trials looked in on a few. But what i can tell you the ftch's that i have seen both in the gun line and the beating line are fearless in any cover and their is something about their drive that marks them out from others atb.

[welshboy454 3]

I know a dog which is entered into this test, he is currently a ftw and the owner believes he may be in contention of winning this one, I do not believe that its a problem with there not being an abudance of thick cover, these dogs aren't trained to just compete in this type of trial, they have to be verstaile... So theoretically these dogs in this trial will definitely be able to smash heavy cover.

 

Ricky

I will quote Keith Erlandson from his book "The Working Springer Spaniel"

 

On page 18 towards the bottom " Rabbits have returned to northern areas as never before,but the terrain tends to be 'soft' heather,rushes white grass and short green bracken. many field trials are won under such conditions,which can scarcely be claimed as a test of courage.This means that at the moment we have field trial champions which will not go near a bramble"

 

He continues on page 19 " Something has to be amiss somewhere when a Welsh rabbit trial is arranged on what is normally bracken and a bit of gorse,then a few days before the event , the ground is changed to a young plantation with undercover of stiff brambles,and two of the top handlers in the country immediately withdraw their dogs."

 

Has anything been done over the last 15 years to change this perspective ? this open trial is being held on the type of ground he described.

[jessdale 416]

I know a dog which is entered into this test, he is currently a ftw and the owner believes he may be in contention of winning this one, I do not believe that its a problem with there not being an abudance of thick cover, these dogs aren't trained to just compete in this type of trial, they have to be verstaile... So theoretically these dogs in this trial will definitely be able to smash heavy cover.

 

Ricky

I will quote Keith Erlandson from his book "The Working Springer Spaniel"

 

On page 18 towards the bottom " Rabbits have returned to northern areas as never before,but the terrain tends to be 'soft' heather,rushes white grass and short green bracken. many field trials are won under such conditions,which can scarcely be claimed as a test of courage.This means that at the moment we have field trial champions which will not go near a bramble"

 

He continues on page 19 " Something has to be amiss somewhere when a Welsh rabbit trial is arranged on what is normally bracken and a bit of gorse,then a few days before the event , the ground is changed to a young plantation with undercover of stiff brambles,and two of the top handlers in the country immediately withdraw their dogs."

 

Has anything been done over the last 15 years to change this perspective ? this open trial is being held on the type of ground he described.

I Have not heard anyone say the standard of spaniels as gone down in the last 15 Years so i would not worry about it too much.i think it is in One of keith Erlandsons books were he states that the quality of Ess In this country has never been better

[butcherboy 68]

Chaps

 

The running details including meeting point, times , judges etc are sent to members of the society.

 

Posting them on an open forum is hardly the brightest of ideas. Not everyone on here is pro hunting & I don't think the NWC will be too pleased to see it up here

Edited August 21, 2009 by butcherboy

[welshboy454 3]

Chaps

 

The running details including meeting point, times , judges etc are sent to members of the society.

 

Posting them on an open forum is hardly the brightest of ideas. Not everyone on here is pro hunting & I don't think the NWC will be too pleased to see it up here

 

It was already on the world wide web and therefore publicly advertised.

Contact http://workinggundogs.co.uk/Documents/NWC%...ents%202009.pdf

They put it up so if you wish you could direct your comments to them.

[hily 380]

welshboy do you work a spanial or are you reasurching the breed beforebuying.

[welshboy454 3]

welshboy do you work a spanial or are you reasurching the breed beforebuying.

I had my first spaniel at 14 years old - I have had 4 altogether and the current one is the best- the dog of my lifetime certainly. All had ft lines but his is exceptional.

My shooting involves wildfowling on the marsh, a pheasant syndicate and loads of rough shooting -pigeon woodcock rabbit.

[hily 380]

welshboy do you work a spanial or are you reasurching the breed beforebuying.

I had my first spaniel at 14 years old - I have had 4 altogether and the current one is the best- the dog of my lifetime certainly. All had ft lines but his is exceptional.

My shooting involves wildfowling on the marsh, a pheasant syndicate and loads of rough shooting -pigeon woodcock rabbit.

So does this mean you are not happy with any dog that gets its ft tickets in england /scotland but you are happy with a winner from wales what im saying is the gene pool aint that big so any winner you come accross will have a ftch in its ped from all over the country . and if you have a dog that does it for you and its a peddegree than its been produced by selection.