Sully 3 Posted August 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 (edited) Hi Guys, well as per usual you ve come up trumps for me.....erm right, I'll try and answer as many as I remember.... yes she's beardie collie, I take a bag with a rabbit skin dummy, tennis ball and a bright pink dumbell, I generally just mooch with her and she loves it, then every now and again (maybe 3 times on a 30 min walk) one of the toys will come out, I play running games with her and am always telling her how good she is, when of course she's been good, like I said, she is unbelieveable for a young dog, she gladly retrieves beautifully on our back garden, inc over small obstacles, when out tho her nose is getting too good, she even told me there was a hint of holly hocks, while sniffing a tree where a rather posh, spaniel had emptied it's bladder, joking aside, we ve all got our own methods, Im going to deffo try the line, just slightly concerned she wont enjoy her walk, I want her to be happy. I do honestly wear the trousers, and Im not frightened to tell her off, it's just Ive worked hard on gaining her trust, and I can tell that she likes and trusts me with how she greets me, dont want to make mistakes, so easy to be re-calling and when she finally comes to hand give her what for....well she's gonna have second thoughts coming back next time, can I add if you dont take treats for your puppy, how do you entice her ? I already get on my hunch's with my head and face close to her own level, and again it's worked til now, is she testing how far she can push me do you think ? and would it be ok when she doesnt come for me to approach her grab her collar give it a quick pull towards me and then get on with the training drill ? as usual your advise is greatly appreciated, Craig Edited August 20, 2009 by Sully Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest chook Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 can I add if you dont take treats for your puppy, how do you entice her ? If shes to ingrosed in smelling something - simple i walk off and leave her, if shes not watching me then she has to realize that she could loose me. and would it be ok when she doesnt come for me to approach her grab her collar give it a quick pull towards me and then get on with the training drill ? Yes it would be ok - whilst doing it though i wouldnt give any eye contact or speak to her, just get hold - clip the lead on and walk her away do it firmly, but not aggressive, keep her on lead for a few mins then let her off. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sully 3 Posted August 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Ive given her some time and preparing for how im gonna progress with her, took her for a walk tonight and done nothing just let her sniff, run and act...well like a puppy, it's great to know that you folk think were on track, will keep you upto date with her...if you want speak soon Craig and Lexy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
doris 6 Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 . . . . . just a few words to add around the treat based training. Dont over do it. if she gets a treat every time then its not a treat. 1 in 3 reducing to 1 in 8 or 9 over a few weeks. hope that makes sense. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sully 3 Posted September 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 . . . . . just a few words to add around the treat based training. Dont over do it. if she gets a treat every time then its not a treat. 1 in 3 reducing to 1 in 8 or 9 over a few weeks. hope that makes sense. Thats a great point Doris, thanks alot, I'll try that Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cochyn 0 Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 A lot of the problem that dog owners have is being able to 'read' the dog, and this isn't something that is learned from a book. Split second timing is needed to train dogs well, and I'm still learning after a lifetime with dogs as each dog is indeed different. There is one thing that is important to remember: if you are TOO nice all the time the dog won't respect you as pack leader or boss. This is where the fine timing comes in. For instance, if I have a 4 month old pup playing at the bottom of the garden and I want it to come away from there, chances are that pup knows exactly what I want from it when I call it. (End of fun, back in the house or kennel and just when I'm having a really great time digging this hole under a tree LOL) This is where your status as boss comes into play: the pup must learn that when you say come you mean "Come here right now". All the titbits in the world aren't as much fun as trying your wings and seeing just how much you can get away with: its part of being a young animal, pushing the boundaries etc. What do I do in this case? Pup at bottom of garden sticking 2 fingers up whilst carrying on digging? I go down the garden and bellow at the little gobsh*te, and chase it back to where I want it putting the fear of God into its tiny little head. Sounds all wrong doesn't it! But it works, and pretty soon pup learns that if it doesn't come when called it gets chased out of where it shouldn't be. Real tough cookies get rounded up with a blast from the hose: something that doesn't hurt and can't be used to hurt (not a pressure hose obviously: did I really need to say that? Probably!) If you have your pup's respect at home then getting the same respect when your'e out in the field comes a whole lot easier. Course there'll be times when the pup finds a great scent and wants to follow it. I use a sharp "Oi!" to attract its attention, but I don't take toys into the field, and I don't play 'at home' type games in the field either, and I've never used foot treats to reward recall, either at home or in the field, once the pup is past 12 weeks old. After my recent experiences, I support your approach. My 5 month old bitch was coming back to me if it suited her and sometimes it would take me walking in the other direction to get her to return. This worried me as we would often encounter people, other dogs and railway lines on our walks. She's pretty single minded and my old man told me I was being too soft, and that I should catch her, give her a right bollocking and carry her back to where I called her from. I did this two or three times and now her recall is very good. She does tend to cower a little when she knows she's done something wrong though. Another mistake I made was to give her treats in the field as she started running back to me without being recalled in order to get a treat. It also meant that she wouldn't push on more than about 20m ahead of me. I have stopped this and her behaviour is changing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sully 3 Posted September 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 Great points.. thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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