16Wk old pup is it normal ????

[Sully 3]

Hi hunting buddies, I know that there are threads covering similar problems, but I dont want to hijack someones thread, lil bit of history, I have a 16 Wk Hancock bred 3/4 GH x 1/4 BC she's been progressing really well, very clever and picks things up really well !, she's house trained, retrieving, and over small obstacles, lead works coming on just fine,

So whats the problem...... Im wanting a bit of re -assurance really, the problem is with her re-call from the moment I got her, Ive been calling her "Lexy come" when she comes to me, I get her to sit and give her a treat, I was recommended mature cheese, she was getting really good at it, for some reason she's getting obstinant, ive read several books so I know not to frighten Her etc, so it's not that, she has total trust in me ! but now when I call her she sticks two fingers up at me and carries on sniffing, Ive noticed that as she's getting older, she now knows what the wet black thing on the end of her face is for, I dont want to stop her using her nose but Im getting frustrated by her, dont worry Im trying my hardest not to show my frustration and when she's been bad and she finally comes to hand, I praise her and give her the cheese, am I being too nice ? should I give her a bollocking ? Ive refrained from doing this as she's a lovely natured dog and I really dont want to upset her, cos to be honest, ive not needed to, well apart from when I made myself a bacon and egg sarnie, sat down to eat it and she snapped it in the blink of an eye and swallowed it whole ! this didnt go down well at all ! I really did give her a telling off and whe didnt talk to me for the rest of the day (I await flack, but I mean what I say!) but im 100% gonna get her really well trained for when she's old enough to start work, but how can I take her out on the lamp if she wont come back ? I'd be a happy man if you tell me this is totally normal with a pup of this age and I ask if she'll eventually mature and stop it ? please bare in mind this is my first ever pup, my last lurcher I had from a shelter and she turned out good but like' d to hunt up if she missed while out lamping, and this is something I deffo dont want, sorry it's a long thread, your collective help and advice as usual is greatly appreciated,

Craig

[thomps125 49]

your askin alot from a pup that age in my opionin mate i had the same trouble at abowt 8months of showing off and staying out of arms reech and only doing it when strangers here abowt and me looking a [bANNED TEXT] twat

 

just give it time mate

 

all the best with her

[joe_lynas 2]

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Edited September 28, 2019 by joe_lynas

[Sully 3]

Hi mate, that s all I need someone with experience to tell me, Im perfectly happy, I love her, it's I just want to be on top of things, nice and early, dont get me wrong im not pushing her, but if you watch Purdys progress, im sure Mr Sleight has Purdy re-calling at Lexys age ? this has made me feel better cos like I said if it's normal, im happy ! so I guess I should keep doing what Im doing ?

[Sully 3]

Hi Joe, yes I understand, Lexys the same around dogs, oh she loves them, usually wets herself with excitment lol, I'll try that with the extra long lead can you buy them or du simply use a length of string tied to the collar ? I use "Lexy come" Im sure that she knows what she should be doing when I say it as im sure she grins at me as she's sticking the fingers up at me....lol spose it should be her toes up at me, im 100% comitted to sort this ! it's when she gets a whiff, ive tried training her in different environments, the park, a nature trail, as I thought she's perhaps catching a whiff of a rabbit or something, dont know bout yours Joe, but when she gets on a trail, she's off whith her nose hovering just above the ground, she cant half move in this position aswell, thanks for your advice, oh Joe, is your Hancock ?

Thanks Craig

[thomps125 49]

lunge rope for horse rope ect anthin would do

[Sully 3]

I'll nick the missus's clothes line then lol

[thomps125 49]

perfect

[Guest chook]

no dont bollock her, as alls that will achive is making her never want to come to you,

when out - what do you do with her, just walk?

 

do you play any games? take any toys out with you,

i never ever take food out with me, as i want my dogs to come back to me cause they want to,

not because i have food, with my youngster shes 11 months old, i take her favourate toy out

and play plenty of games, let her have a mooch, then some more games,

even if its just running away from her, whilst recalling, play chase games,

you have to make yourself more appeling than a bit of grass.

[bucky 11]

when you say 3/4 grey 1/4 bc do you mean border or bearded collie? bearded collie are stubborn at the best of times trust me iv been through it, but it will come right in the end and well worth it

[Catcher 1 639]

no dont bollock her, as alls that will achive is making her never want to come to you,

when out - what do you do with her, just walk?

 

do you play any games? take any toys out with you,

i never ever take food out with me, as i want my dogs to come back to me cause they want to,

not because i have food, with my youngster shes 11 months old, i take her favourate toy out

and play plenty of games, let her have a mooch, then some more games,

even if its just running away from her, whilst recalling, play chase games,

you have to make yourself more appeling than a bit of grass.

 

 

Good advice.Listen to this man.atb. Catcher 1

[Guest chook]

no dont bollock her, as alls that will achive is making her never want to come to you,

when out - what do you do with her, just walk?

 

do you play any games? take any toys out with you,

i never ever take food out with me, as i want my dogs to come back to me cause they want to,

not because i have food, with my youngster shes 11 months old, i take her favourate toy out

and play plenty of games, let her have a mooch, then some more games,

even if its just running away from her, whilst recalling, play chase games,

you have to make yourself more appeling than a bit of grass.

 

 

Good advice.Listen to this man.atb. Catcher 1

 

 

Try Woman

 

This is her playing today, she comes diveing back at me and throws the toy at my feet.

 

[Doglost Co-Ordinator 4]

Thats a cracking dog & you got her doing a lot for a pup. Agree with the others. I do use treats with one dog- toy with others -depends what they are interested in.

If you use washing line- get the cord type & put some periodic knots itn it- I got a lunge line but I use it with loads of different dogs. But half the battle is being more interesting than whatevers distracting them.

She is doing well for a youngster & with more play with the training she wont realise she's been trained & will come back because she wants to

[bullmastiff 615]

Hi mate, that s all I need someone with experience to tell me, Im perfectly happy, I love her, it's I just want to be on top of things, nice and early, dont get me wrong im not pushing her, but if you watch Purdys progress, im sure Mr Sleight has Purdy re-calling at Lexys age ? this has made me feel better cos like I said if it's normal, im happy ! so I guess I should keep doing what Im doing ?

 

but she hasn't watched it! , all dogs are differant, it's not supposed to be a bible, more of a very rough guide.

As stated already LOTS of play at that age, and a long line can come in handy. It's not for dragging the dog back to you as some people seem to do, just to add some gentle pressure to the collar as you call her, once she starts coming back, it goes slack and you drop to your knees, calling like an excited girl! LOL! play time again!

 

Good luck with her, sounds like she (and you) are doing fine.

[skycat 6,174]

A lot of the problem that dog owners have is being able to 'read' the dog, and this isn't something that is learned from a book.

 

Split second timing is needed to train dogs well, and I'm still learning after a lifetime with dogs as each dog is indeed different.

 

There is one thing that is important to remember: if you are TOO nice all the time the dog won't respect you as pack leader or boss. This is where the fine timing comes in.

 

For instance, if I have a 4 month old pup playing at the bottom of the garden and I want it to come away from there, chances are that pup knows exactly what I want from it when I call it. (End of fun, back in the house or kennel and just when I'm having a really great time digging this hole under a tree LOL)

 

This is where your status as boss comes into play: the pup must learn that when you say come you mean "Come here right now".

 

All the titbits in the world aren't as much fun as trying your wings and seeing just how much you can get away with: its part of being a young animal, pushing the boundaries etc.

 

What do I do in this case? Pup at bottom of garden sticking 2 fingers up whilst carrying on digging? I go down the garden and bellow at the little gobsh*te, and chase it back to where I want it putting the fear of God into its tiny little head.

 

Sounds all wrong doesn't it! But it works, and pretty soon pup learns that if it doesn't come when called it gets chased out of where it shouldn't be. Real tough cookies get rounded up with a blast from the hose: something that doesn't hurt and can't be used to hurt (not a pressure hose obviously: did I really need to say that? Probably!)

 

If you have your pup's respect at home then getting the same respect when your'e out in the field comes a whole lot easier. Course there'll be times when the pup finds a great scent and wants to follow it.

 

I use a sharp "Oi!" to attract its attention, but I don't take toys into the field, and I don't play 'at home' type games in the field either, and I've never used foot treats to reward recall, either at home or in the field, once the pup is past 12 weeks old.

 

The field is where we hunt and as such I'm pack leader and I lead the hunt. The one thing I do use in the field with pups is a rabbit skin dummy, and this will be far more appealing than a stuffed toy. You could try hiding it, dragging it through long grass. Don't ever let the pup play with it as such, it is YOUR dummy and you ALLOW the pup to find it and bring it to you when YOU want to.

 

This establishes certain boundaries and rules within the 'game'. If you are uncertain as to your pup's recall then tie the dummy to a long line, or the pup to a long line, depending on how sure you are a) of the pup's refusal to let go of the dummy (you can reel the pup gently in whilst its holding the dummy if you know it won't let it go) or reel the pup in if it shows signs of buggering off by attaching the long line to the dog instead.

 

If all else fails, then hiding is a good way to make the dog come to you. I've only met one pup of that age who really didn't care whether I was there or not, so its not very likely.