The Working Border Terrier Club

[OldNog 432]

fantastic dogs and fanctasic photos mark p

[burrowman 6]

Well said Fishy, and good on you Mark P great to see game borders doin what they were bred to do.What do you think of the workin border club idea? a.t.b. Burrowman.

[lurchers 2,763]

its a good thing what you are doing mate but the price of the borders is that if you pay 4oo for your dogs and they do the digging well you still want ya money back for the pups.i dont ca\re who says what ive worked borders for years and they have all proved themselves and my pups were the same price as the parents what i paid which was 350 a pup and i wasnt stuck with a pup because theb people who bought them new they grafted.but you do get the peoplke who just want to earn a quick buck and mine were k.cd to.

absolute fcuking sh1t talk if all border onwers think like this muppet then you s are beat before yous start .the genuine lads will have proper digging dogs standing in there kennells proably given too them by like minded dog men and i ll bet not one of them is a border.to save the border things have to change ie forget money .quick question lurchers if you give 400 for a good bitch and you breed her and she has 5 pups why not just charge a 100 a pup your still a 100 quid up on price of original bitch thats your money back dont think so you muppet pound sign s rock your boat

here we go arse wipe you dont no me dickhead so do even go down that road.i sold border pups years agofor 40 quid a pup to get people started in the breed and when i bred a litter it was for my own use dickhead.the same arseholes i sold the pups to once the price of borders went up they even charged me what they were asking dont forget i got them into the breed.thats when i noticed there is no mate in the dog world when it comes to buying pups but like a mug i still either give them away or sell them for next to nowt.but like i said if i pay 400 a pup yes i want my money back ive probably dug to my borders than you have had hot dinners so do judge people that you dont no,[prick]

if you ve dug your borders more than i ve had hot dinners then your the man to start this club .they should base the future of the border on your dogs as they seem to be real grafters from what your saying . now you dont fcuking know me but what i do know is your a retard your talking there about giving pups away to people but then they charged you full price for a pup .if they stick there hand in the fire do you do the same .plus if your breeding borders this years why you having to buy pups of people you sold dogs too ?i no why because your a fcuking DUMMY.

see there you go again prick.if you read it proparly nob i said i sold them years ago for 40 quid and i sharpe told the money making arsoles what they could do with there dogsfor trying to start them off with the breed and as to say they have never been back and i have never selt them owt else once bitten twice shy.but it looks like you are the gob of the no it all so i think the job would suit you best so good luck nobby and enjoy yaself

[mark p 60]

a couple of pics when we lost border dog to ground back in feb

[mark p 60]

start of te dig

[mark p 60]

22 foot

[kirstysdad 827]

good luck with the club have kept them in the past but found them very tempermental easily upset mark p some real nice borders nice to see a couple of genune workers

[Guest ROUGH COATED]

22 foot

 

 

Jesus that some DIG there pal

[devon flighter 421]

OOPS DOUBLE POST !!!

[PICK AND SHOVEL 4]

Good to see the mainly positive comments coming through as regards to the Border Terrier and the formation of the Working Border Terrier Club....The club will exist as stated to promote and improve the Borders ability as a TRUE working terrier.....As regards to standards I'm sure we all know what a Border Terrier should look like. More importantly the first line of the standard states....The Border Terrier is essentially a Working Terrier....That statement has to be at the core of the club and not the price of pups. My thoughts on Kennel Club recognition is as i stated on the top of the first page...My preference is to move away from registration and so bring the price of Border pups down making them more affordable to the working man. The main driving force behind Registering Borders is a purely financial one. Anyone more interested in the working side of things will not have the same motive. Lets face it a lot of the Pedigrees are not as credible as they may appear and a lot of them contain some manufactured registrations. If you feel an importance for a pedigree then so be it as long as the reason is not financial...You don't need a pedigree to go out and work your terriers and you don't need one to enter your terriers in a class at a hunt or working show. However you do need one if you are to ask £400 FOR A PUP !!!!

I look forward to receiving the first memberships and will send out membership cards as soon as i can...On a personal note i attended the N.W.T.F Championship at Ragley Hall at the weekend and had a great day mixing with old friends and making a few new ones. Very fitting that my long term and very good friend Mr Mick Mills was chosen to be judge on this the 25th Anniversary show...Well Done to all involved.

[Cleanspade 3,322]

that answers . enery question i have posed. and i wish you and all involved all the very best. and will point any working lads i know with borders in your direction.

 

edited to add nice dogs mark p

Edited August 25, 2009 by Cleanspade

[devon flighter 421]

JOHNNY ,i wish you all the very best with your venture and any future books ,its an admirably challenge ,though its going to be a long slow ride i think! and mark p keep up those posts and pictures of the proper working borders ,( it was borders that got me interested originally way back when i used to follow in the midlands )kept a couple from oxcroft lines myself, but down to the last old boy now ,well into retirement @ 14 ! would like to get back into it in the future but its got to silly money now with borders ,very few good dogs left and well outsdide my means in the present times !.

[Dosser 52]

I fully agree The Breeder, it is not an option to outcross to other terrier breeds we must preserve the characteristics of the border and remain true to type. If the gene pool is too small in G.B. then hopefully this club will bring together working border owners from all over the world, theres a few here in Ireland, i remember a feature on borders workin badger in Finland, Digaman has seen 40 borders at earthdog trials in Hungary so perhaps the border is not a lost cause yet.

To Cleanspade you have some very good points but if we outcross we just end up with another crossbred terrier and have to breed back to what we started with. If we breed proven working border to proven workin border there should be no need to outcross, no litter will result in 100% workers but its a start.

And please lads drop the money topic its gettin tiresome, its only is an issue with lads that work other breeds, what is your prob,this club will be for owners of workin borders and if we were prepared to pay the goin rate to get into the breed [without whingin] thats our choice not yours.

 

 

I wish all who set out on this endeavor the very best.

 

I think most terriermen admire and arrreciate a good working border,

 

but i tell you what mate, when i read your post, it dint half remind me of the bedlington lads and all the wars etc that kicked off about outcrossing.

 

I think you all need to be clear about your route.

 

atb Doss.

[desertdog 149]

as regarding work for my terriers if i waited for foxes to get to ground or the keepers ,id never get any work , so me i do with them what i can, hunt up the river, a bit of bushing, but they have served their apprentaship with old red etc, etc, so when they do get to ground i know i have no worrys about digging down and find their only on bunnys, that does, nt happen, their true to the job, at the end of the day to them its all ajob and they love it, yes the kennel club states the border is essensially a working terrier, but does that just mean to ground? we go ratting, and they will hunt old red up the hedge, to them its their job, thats their work, i am not as fortunate as some with my dog work so i take it as it comes, well done john, im with you all the way.i dont believe that every litter of terriers ever bred have all turned out workers even from workers , it dont work like that as we,d all have topclass workers in our kennels and the ones that dont work?well they either get passed on or put down, and how many terrier men will admit failure,not many ill bet.

[goldfinch2007 2,332]

a border i got for next to nothing he started the back end off last season and showed promise went in at the end of a few digs then had two of his own!!! hope he will come good this season, never really liked borders im a black terrier lad!! but this fella has got the right head and size to him!!!! would be good for putting head and general size into a strain if he makes the grade!!!

 

good luck with him,hes a nice stamp swag.i wish you well with him this season.and if you dont want him ill have him.lol. :whistling:mark p your a gent fot sharing those pics.fairplay mate.

Edited August 25, 2009 by goldfinch2007