Is It Alright To Use Potatoe As A Daily Mixer With Meat And Fish

[sandymere 8,263]

You wouldn't feed your kids that because you know it is not good for them, but the dog equivalent

balenced diet based on best science

you are quite happy to feed to your dogs.

balenced diet based on best science

which is based on what - whatever the pertfood companies want to sell you.

Its not only the food that goes inside, its also the effect on the dogs teeth.

A lot of dog health problems stem from bad oral hygiene which is due to the

balenced diet based on best science

My science is based on basic animal biology and a large amount of time finding and reading journals articles on this subject. I agree a lot of problems stem from poor oral health that may well include heart disease but that is as Chook states more to do with soft diets then complete feeds. If you are intrested then a look back at some of the stuff I've posted on this subject might be interesting.

[kiz 0]

When our parents/grandparents fed there dogs it was either scraps from the dinner plate/ tinned food or bones from the butchers,

as there wasnt many options in food for dogs in them days, i do remember getting off the school bus every friday,

to go and collect the bones the butcher gave us for free, the white poo of yesteryear was because people fed to much bone,

the same happens today with people feeding raw - ive seen quite a few posts from people saying they think theres something wrong with there dog,

because either there poos white, or they are bunged up, opasate happens as well, the dogs poos yellow or they have the runs,

feeding to much meat or fat and not enough bones, my dogs maybe being fed dried food - but i can assure you there poos are not red smelly sticky piles at all, they are easy to pick up and are small, there teeth are fine and have never needed a dental or have i ever had to clean them.

 

Chook, dogs also ate what they could scavenge and catch themselves.

No'one is saying feed all bone or meat, thats why its called raw meant and bones, DOH.

Your dogs must be A1, LOL, as you feed them on something that not only do you not know the ingredients of but do not even know the brand.

 

Sandymere,

My science is based on basic animal biology

So quite simply is a dog a carnivore or an omnivore?

 

Amazing that on a hunting forum talking about working dogs you seem to think that giving dogs raw is wrong and bad for them.

[sandymere 8,263]

When our parents/grandparents fed there dogs it was either scraps from the dinner plate/ tinned food or bones from the butchers,

as there wasnt many options in food for dogs in them days, i do remember getting off the school bus every friday,

to go and collect the bones the butcher gave us for free, the white poo of yesteryear was because people fed to much bone,

the same happens today with people feeding raw - ive seen quite a few posts from people saying they think theres something wrong with there dog,

because either there poos white, or they are bunged up, opasate happens as well, the dogs poos yellow or they have the runs,

feeding to much meat or fat and not enough bones, my dogs maybe being fed dried food - but i can assure you there poos are not red smelly sticky piles at all, they are easy to pick up and are small, there teeth are fine and have never needed a dental or have i ever had to clean them.

 

Chook, dogs also ate what they could scavenge and catch themselves.

No'one is saying feed all bone or meat, thats why its called raw meant and bones, DOH.

Your dogs must be A1, LOL, as you feed them on something that not only do you not know the ingredients of but do not even know the brand.

 

Sandymere,

My science is based on basic animal biology

So quite simply is a dog a carnivore or an omnivore?

 

Amazing that on a hunting forum talking about working dogs you seem to think that giving dogs raw is wrong and bad for them.

Please show me where I say feeding raw is bad or wrong as I find people putting words in my mouth to further thier posts a little sad!

I don't mention canivore or omnivore but find they are oft misunderstood terms that are based on generalisations rather than digestive tracts and what has hunting and raw got to do with each other? I promote healthy balenced feeding to give working dogs a good start and feeding raw meat and bones is part of that but I don't feed raw because I'm a hunter lol..

[kiz 0]

Sandymere,

Don't try and cloud the issue with pseudo science,

do you think that a dog is carnivore or omnivore?

 

what has hunting and raw got to do with each other

Think about it, dogs are used for hunting because they are good at it, and why are they good at it, because that is how they got their food, and when they caught it they ate, RAW

Edited August 27, 2009 by kiz

[Guest chook]

When our parents/grandparents fed there dogs it was either scraps from the dinner plate/ tinned food or bones from the butchers,

as there wasnt many options in food for dogs in them days, i do remember getting off the school bus every friday,

to go and collect the bones the butcher gave us for free, the white poo of yesteryear was because people fed to much bone,

the same happens today with people feeding raw - ive seen quite a few posts from people saying they think theres something wrong with there dog,

because either there poos white, or they are bunged up, opasate happens as well, the dogs poos yellow or they have the runs,

feeding to much meat or fat and not enough bones, my dogs maybe being fed dried food - but i can assure you there poos are not red smelly sticky piles at all, they are easy to pick up and are small, there teeth are fine and have never needed a dental or have i ever had to clean them.

 

Chook, dogs also ate what they could scavenge and catch themselves.

No'one is saying feed all bone or meat, thats why its called raw meant and bones, DOH.

Your dogs must be A1, LOL, as you feed them on something that not only do you not know the ingredients of but do not even know the brand.

 

Sandymere,

My science is based on basic animal biology

So quite simply is a dog a carnivore or an omnivore?

 

Amazing that on a hunting forum talking about working dogs you seem to think that giving dogs raw is wrong and bad for them.

 

 

Actualy yes my dogs are A1 - i have had comments before from people who thought my dogs were younger than they are,

except for my lurcher whos about 14, she came to me with hip problems - she was over worked and injured whilst out

chaseing a bunny, they never took her to a vet, alls except her none of my other dogs have any age related problems,

i do have two that are blind, from heredaty problems and one that has pancratic problems - through feeding raw turky meat,

except for that - none have ever needed to see a vet for anything at all.

 

Mabe i do not know the brand - because its Not branded,

it simply says adult dog food, there is an ingredients list on it, so what.

My dogs have done fine on it over the last 13 years, so why change and pay a fortune for

a name - why change to raw, when ive got two that can Not have raw,

would it be fair to them to see all the others eating raw, whilst there eating dried food.

[sandymere 8,263]

Sandymere,

Don't try and cloud the issue with pseudo science,

do you think that a dog is carnivore or omnivore?

 

what has hunting and raw got to do with each other

Think about it, dogs are used for hunting because they are good at it, and why are they good at it, because that is how they got their food, and when they caught it they ate, RAW

You still haven't shown where i said eating raw was wrong, maybe your reading what you think is written rather than what is.

 

Now to the above, this is a quote from a discussion on this forum some time ago if you care to look back at my posts you'll see it's an area I'm used to posting on. I'm not sure why pig is where it is but it demonstrates what I mean.

 

"Dogs as with most creatures are able to utilize a variety of food sources, again see my post on carbs, and don’t realy fit into such neat little boxes as carnivores etc but rather are along a continuum from carnivore to herbivore. Humans sit nicely in the middle section as omnivores, most felines way over towards carnivore end and dogs somewhere between these two.

Continuum

 

Carnivores--------feline-----dog------human-------chimp-----------pig------cow--Herbivores

Now we need to move away from the child like idea that animals are fixed on this continuum but rather that they can, as food sources become available, move along it. Consider bears as mainly herbivores spending much of their time grazing eating berries etc but during a salmon run will, for a few weeks, depend almost completely on a pure carnivore’s diet. Another would be humans eating a relatively high meat/fat diet in comparison to a chimp that rarely eats meat yet both have the same digestive system. So “Dog are carnivores†is a very simplistic and, in this context, a misleading statement."

See what I mean.

 

I would probably put it like this on reflection;

 

Carnivores--------feline-----dog------human---domestic pig------------chimp---------cow--Herbivores

 

Go to a native village in the heart of the South american rain forest and you will likely find man, pig, and dog living together eating almost the same diet and this ability to co exist is due to being within a small area on the continuum.

[kiz 0]

Chook

would it be fair to them to see all the others eating raw, whilst there eating dried food

If better for the others health, yes. Cannot really understand, one dog you "say" has Colitis but then again this dog has not been to a vets. Another dog "has" to have prescibed chappie for a pancreatic probelm caused apparently from eating raw turkey meat which is a very low fat meat and any fat in it would cause fewer problems than the processed gunk in "prescribed" chappie.

By your own admission the only reason you stopped feeding raw was

Because the places we used to get the raw food from - one shut and the other moved,

we used to get 50lb of meat for a fiver and 50lb of chicken wings for a fiver

theres not a lot of places local to get raw food from, except turcky and chicken carcasses - it has to be dilivered,

not to mention feeding 10 dogs it gets a tad expencive, i pay a little over £40 quid a month to feed my lot,

So cost is basically why you do not feed raw.

 

sandymere

You still haven't shown where i said eating raw was wrong, maybe your reading what you think is written rather than what is.

You seem to say a lot using pseudo science mumbo jumbo without actually saying anything which perhaps gives the wrong impression, if you give us the full benefit of your wisdom by saying what YOU believe is

balenced diet based on best science

then perhaps I and others would not get the wrong impression.

[chester 147]

I wanted to feed raw for ages until i seen several dogs in the vets getting splinters removed from various places internally and that put me off slightly.I cant get decent prices for raw here either so mine get burns as one of mine was having some funny turns and ending up at the vets on a drip so changed to burns and did a few other things like raised feeders etc to see if it helps and it has.Raw doesnt suit every dog and there as many arguements and research against it as for it.A vet at my practice done a course about it and said herself when i asked her as a lurcher owner herself what she thought and she said she was 50/50 she gives her dogs half dry half raw.Says they do well like this mine are thriving like hell on burns so its choice at the end of the day.Mine would no doubt really enjoy raw food but up here its too expensive and most of it is classed as not fit for human consumption which i find a bit dodgy and wouldnt like to give my dog something which isnt fit.Potatos do a dgo no harm and they get energy from them and pasta as well as veggies and fruit for vitamins.Chappies a whole other story i hate the stuff

if you are looking for meat 4 your dogs mate try grayshill at twecher or phone gibbs of galston 01563820233 they deliver out this way on a friday .

[sandymere 8,263]

"You seem to say a lot using pseudo science mumbo jumbo without actually saying anything which perhaps gives the wrong impression, if you give us the full benefit of your wisdom by saying what YOU believe is abalenced diet based on best science then perhaps I and others would not get the wrong impression."

(Kis)

 

Still not shown where I say raw food was wrong !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I claim no wisdom but a willingness to look beyond fashion and fable, I've posted and passed on articles to a large extend if your not willing to look or answer what can I say. There is no science behind an exclusive raw diet unless you can forward some?

[Cold Ethyl 63]

I wanted to feed raw for ages until i seen several dogs in the vets getting splinters removed from various places internally and that put me off slightly.I cant get decent prices for raw here either so mine get burns as one of mine was having some funny turns and ending up at the vets on a drip so changed to burns and did a few other things like raised feeders etc to see if it helps and it has.Raw doesnt suit every dog and there as many arguements and research against it as for it.A vet at my practice done a course about it and said herself when i asked her as a lurcher owner herself what she thought and she said she was 50/50 she gives her dogs half dry half raw.Says they do well like this mine are thriving like hell on burns so its choice at the end of the day.Mine would no doubt really enjoy raw food but up here its too expensive and most of it is classed as not fit for human consumption which i find a bit dodgy and wouldnt like to give my dog something which isnt fit.Potatos do a dgo no harm and they get energy from them and pasta as well as veggies and fruit for vitamins.Chappies a whole other story i hate the stuff

if you are looking for meat 4 your dogs mate try grayshill at twecher or phone gibbs of galston 01563820233 they deliver out this way on a friday .

 

THANK YOU i am indebted lol.Been tryiong to find decnt stuff for ages will give them a ring never fed raw in the past so whats the best kind of stuff to get to start them off.They get bones and trotters etc and seem to do ok with them

[Cold Ethyl 63]

Its all down to your lifestyle and the dogs if you work long hours and dont really have time to prepare food for them then commercial is the clear choice for ease.If you have the time then by all means raw or cooked diets.In my search of raw and info on it i have found just as many cases for and against theres are pros and cons to both diets.I want to try it cos i am sure my dogs would be mega contented and thoroughly enjoy it