Plummer Terrier, Patterdale or Jack Russel?

[Toka 10]

...the price tag of a Plummer £250 to £400 ...

 

You should be able to get a good Plummer for £200!!!...£400 seems to be excessive... just been to the EPTS show and some cracking dogs around.

 

Have a look at the EPTS or PTA, WPTF website and give them a call...they will let you know if there are any pups, and be able to recommend a good line for working...pups are a bit thin on the groun at the moment but well worth waiting for!!!

 

ATB

[adeyhawk1970 0]

I worked my wifes 3 year old jack russel bitch with my male harris last season and she was great.Only trouble was the pair of them working together decimated the moorhen population She is very easy to control when out with the hawk plus when the bird is moulting i get to go ratting with her.Ive got a great lakey as well but hes only 9 months old so he will need to learn a lot before he gets to go out with them both as his manners when out hunting are still lacking :realmad: :realmad:

[rushty 1]

why not a staff ? or am i just baised they are great for bushing/flushing game etc

 

I agree staffs are underestimated in the field. I would not trade my bitch for £20 million and that is fact, Yes I would love the ready cash but she is mine

20 million , yeah sure

[wulf 32]

if its for flushing to the hawk,id recommend a brittany,you could get 1 for the price them plummers are fetching and for bushing imo theres nowt better,put it this way 2 plummers working together wouldnt work as much cover as 1 brittany,the 1 i own works brilliantly with all raptors

 

have you seen plummers working cover?

i have mate yeh,i aint saying theyre no good,but they cant live with brittanys,no doubt theres someones plummer out there thats better than someones brittany,but two dogs at the top of their game....no contest really

 

cheers for the info mate - the reason i was asking if you had seen them is that i couldnt believe one medium dog could work the same amount of cover as two small dogs but i aint seen a brittany working cover. I would have thought they would get tangled up in dense cover but like i say i aint seen brittanys work so you can comment better than me.

[craigyboy 1,274]

if its for flushing to the hawk,id recommend a brittany,you could get 1 for the price them plummers are fetching and for bushing imo theres nowt better,put it this way 2 plummers working together wouldnt work as much cover as 1 brittany,the 1 i own works brilliantly with all raptors

 

have you seen plummers working cover?

i have mate yeh,i aint saying theyre no good,but they cant live with brittanys,no doubt theres someones plummer out there thats better than someones brittany,but two dogs at the top of their game....no contest really

 

cheers for the info mate - the reason i was asking if you had seen them is that i couldnt believe one medium dog could work the same amount of cover as two small dogs but i aint seen a brittany working cover. I would have thought they would get tangled up in dense cover but like i say i aint seen brittanys work so you can comment better than me.

no probs mate,ive only ever seen my brittany work,but she does astound me ive had patts,jrt,border,lakiexbeddyand a springer and none come close to her,but who knows it may just be her thats a freak

[frankieboy 0]

any dog will do whatever you ask of it if you put the time in mate,if its flushing and retrieving small game i would say go for a jack russal,these are hard little cu,n,ts that runs on duracell batteries ..lol i love this breed small,fun little things ,a patterdale or plummer will do the same,just cost more the plummer is more a show dog for me ,just ratting dogs i would rather pay £300 for a pat x lakey that comes from good working blood line( meaning real work)than pay for a plummer with a peace of paper saying it looks good standing upright in a ring,,,,LOL again patterdales good little workers nice strong dogs i know a few of my mates swear by the,,remember this mate when working, stockbreaking,retrieving...ITS THE OWNERS TIME AND EFFORT THAT MAKES THE DOG NOT THE PRICE OF IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, now thats advice,,,cheers frank

[frankieboy 0]

if you have a birds mate. then plummer are a more chilled out dog and you can trust them more round you birds. i have a lakeland and it cant be trusted. it was ok but 1 day it will snap. same with the patterdales. there more a dig dogs. i have 2 plummer terrier and thay never bother with the birds. i know plummer are pricey but have good nose and work all day long. so its plummers from me mate if your not going to dig. every man diffrent. tlb getting a dog matey. let use know what you get. thanks barks

LOL YOUR PLUMMER NAILED A DUCK 3 WEEKS AGO!! :blink:

[fireman 10,899]

I've seen plummers retrieve as good as any gun dog on the stand,own 2 that i can dig to,bush with,ferret with and rat with.As a all rounder they take some beating and as for price i've a plummer pup here,legaly docked and jabbed,broken to chickens and ferrets from working parents i'll sell for £200 and thats no dearer than any pat or jrt.The nose on the plummer takes some beating and as for pedigrees,well thats just a fully tracable history of the dogs themselves and has feck all to do with how they stand in a ring and thats also real advice.

[frankieboy 0]

I've seen plummers retrieve as good as any gun dog on the stand,own 2 that i can dig to,bush with,ferret with and rat with.As a all rounder they take some beating and as for price i've a plummer pup here,legaly docked and jabbed,broken to chickens and ferrets from working parents i'll sell for £200 and thats no dearer than any pat or jrt.The nose on the plummer takes some beating and as for pedigrees,well thats just a fully tracable history of the dogs themselves and has feck all to do with how they stand in a ring and thats also real advice.

your going to big up whatever is in your kennals....if you had a poodle it would have the best nose not slaging the breed just not my cup a tea,cousins got a great plummer mint dog, and read again the ADVICE I WAS REFERRING TO IS THE OWNER MAKE THE DOG mint dogs for showing....LOL

[fireman 10,899]

Wasn't being funny or bigging up whats in my kennels mate,just real facts.Plummers have in general very good noses on them and in fact some keepers i know say their plummers have better noses on them than there spaniels and yes they do keep good working spaniels.As for trying for a rise to the bait on the showing bit,heard it all before mate and really i'll think your'll find more pats or lakies being shown at most shows than plummers are .Your right about owners making the dogs though bud,but the dogs got to have it first.If not god i must be a good dogman and i must really take all the credit!!!!!!..

[steviemann 5]

Wasn't being funny or bigging up whats in my kennels mate,just real facts.Plummers have in general very good noses on them and in fact some keepers i know say their plummers have better noses on them than there spaniels and yes they do keep good working spaniels.As for trying for a rise to the bait on the showing bit,heard it all before mate and really i'll think your'll find more pats or lakies being shown at most shows than plummers are .Your right about owners making the dogs though bud,but the dogs got to have it first.If not god i must be a good dogman and i must really take all the credit!!!!!!..

There are some good ens out there not just pets/rossete hunters.

[frankieboy 0]

Wasn't being funny or bigging up whats in my kennels mate,just real facts.Plummers have in general very good noses on them and in fact some keepers i know say their plummers have better noses on them than there spaniels and yes they do keep good working spaniels.As for trying for a rise to the bait on the showing bit,heard it all before mate and really i'll think your'll find more pats or lakies being shown at most shows than plummers are .Your right about owners making the dogs though bud,but the dogs got to have it first.If not god i must be a good dogman and i must really take all the credit!!!!!!..

[adeyhawk1970 0]

You need total control over a good hawking dog thats why the easier trained breeds like a cocker or a brittany are often chosen over a terrier.My young Lakie has a far better nose than my wifes jack russel (could just be the strain)but his obedience when working is non existant although to be honest he is young and may well take over the jack russell someday.The jack russell hunts but only flushes quarry when told and never chases.Her only problem is both her and the harris love hunting blackbirds,thankfully they have never caught any

[fireman 10,899]

One of my plummers mate i can work with ferrets and longnets and i can say i've never had the dog in the net or the dog trying to pull rabbits out the net,he is as steady as any lurcher i've ever been out with ferreting and when a rabbit does hit the net he just pins them rather than destroying them like most terriers would.The steadyness of the plummer is one of the reasons i chose the breed and like i say have seen some work as well as any gundoog in the shooting field and could see one working with a hawk safely,not trying to push the breed on anyone just saying a bit about them thats all.

[adeyhawk1970 0]

One of my plummers mate i can work with ferrets and longnets and i can say i've never had the dog in the net or the dog trying to pull rabbits out the net,he is as steady as any lurcher i've ever been out with ferreting and when a rabbit does hit the net he just pins them rather than destroying them like most terriers would.The steadyness of the plummer is one of the reasons i chose the breed and like i say have seen some work as well as any gundoog in the shooting field and could see one working with a hawk safely,not trying to push the breed on anyone just saying a bit about them thats all.

Well done with the steadyness of the plummer,most terriers just arn't steady enough to be worked with hawks,especially those from digging stock.I think the lakie may well be to headstrong to make a hawking dog as he is from working stock but we will see