177 or 22

[david 1 0]

Im soon going to purchase a theoben rapid s type and need some advice on what would be best cal for sub 12ftlbs i have a .22 hw77k but have been getting told to get 177 for more range any advice anyone oh ye its for hunting rabbits and pigeons

[craig33 10]

hi pal i use both 177 and 22

177 shoots flatter and faster and 22 hits a little harder so you need to take into account drop

get 177 and shoot for the head is my advise

hope this helps

ps if you are buying new get the shop to crono it while you are there i know of plenty of brand spankers come out of the box at sub 9f1b so keep that in mind

[SEAN3513 7]

as always.....shot placement over calibre every time.

 

 

if your used to .22 stick with it or try the .177 if you fancy a change.

 

slightly further range with .177 ( 10 yards ish) but, not as hard hitting as.22

 

personally i dont think it matters for sub 12ft/lbs, personal choice really.

 

cheers

 

sean

Edited August 24, 2009 by SEAN3513

[iamduvern 62]

[Phantom 631]

The question of which is better is pointless IMHO.

 

If you can shoot accurately you will get a kill. If you can't shoot accurately you'll miss.

 

Its all down to putting the lead where it counts.

 

In my opinion, the only real benefit of .177 over .22 is that they cost less per tin of 500!

 

Phantom

[ghillies 209]

in basis i'd agree with phantom.. but still prefer .177 its 'preference'..... only way to know is try the two.

[bedrock 16]

You can get the Stype in .20 get that Its only 0.5mm smaller than 22 so still transfers a lot of energy but has a flatter trajectory similar to 177.

[big mafoota 0]

.177 aT SUB fac ranges the placement of the shot is critical. The smaller calibre allows more margain of error in range finding as it has a flatter trajectory. I've seen 55 yard rabbits drop like a sack of spuds with a well place shot. The only thing I'd change about my rapid is the calibre, that'll happen when I've a few quid to spare.

.177 is also less affected by the wind.

[Guest Scuba1]

[stealthy1 3,964]

Like the dead donkeys Scuba I love my .22's, never had a reason to change, so stuck with it

[ghillies 209]

tecno time lol

 

.22 actualy retains slightly more energy down range..

is fractionaly more consistant and fractionaly better in wind...if you like the drop lol...

a few more shots on pcp fill (as in a few not loads)

 

.177... 60 yard rabbits drop like wet blankets as it happens... bin a couple years since i was up to that though.(ish lol).

pellets cheaper..

less drop..

 

all in all i've used .177 for 25 years now (shit tiss that long!) never had a problem with it.. had guys with .22's who were very good hunters, als they were still winging stuff, the coman fraise i came accross back then was 'you cant kill it with a .177!'.. hmmmm added twenty yards and bugger all winging on them lol........

 

i've used .22, and yes a very impresive head shot on rats etc, good bod shots on woodies close up (20 yard range) but all in all had better averages and more opertunities presented in .177. so obviously i'm biased.

 

i forgot who posted the answer to the old .177 for target .22 for hunting but, years back (more than my 20 lol) when they first legalised a power restricion, 9.5fp's was the general .177 tune, and 10.5fp's for .22... today theyre the same power........

 

it is all about accuracy, the marginal power diferences andbeing better in the wind are neather hear nor there, bar a mathamatical tecnicality.(oh and which one your useng lol.)

 

ok, the main difference you may notice is 'you swopped calibers' lol... .177 is faster, so you 'aproach' a shot..take the shot..and follow through then move on, thats where the fiference is, in .22 its slower, if your using one caliber enough to know the difference then the new calibers different therefore not the same..there fore the usual caliber is 'better'...............because your used to it!

 

personaly i've had rats at 7-8 yard jumping pellets in .22, in .177 its 40 odd yards before that happens with a heavey pellet.(other .22 users say theyve never noticed/exsperinced it..then again i was probably timing for .177 in the begining.)

 

.177 is prone to over penatrating, espetialy close up. the tendancy s to use lighter/softer pellets then move on to flat heads and wad cutters etc, again marjinal differences (other than a loss of overall range and having to imprint two pellet tragectories now.. i'd say 7.8-7.9grain narmal lead in .177 is as light as you want to go in 12fp's to reduce overpenatration).

 

if yu cant hi the mark that 2 or 3 persent of a pellet dont make diddly squot difference...maydo if your at it day in day out and working on hi yeilds lol...never bothered me, but .22 did hinder me more.

 

in fac...diferent kettle of fish, in 12fp... .20 is a viable option......if you can get a good gun/pellet match as is with all guns.

if you can hit it with a brick but not a hi class gun, what goods the gun?

 

 

 

coments as a .177 user using a .22 that i didnt want to lol... cracking loud head smack! very dramatic. in .177 hmmm not so loud, not so dramatic, but you know?.........both dead lol.

Edited August 25, 2009 by ghillies

[ghillies 209]

as a beginer.............

 

your just happy to hit the tin can ..hmm no good for hunting, the cans bigger than a rabbits head let alone a pidgion. as you improve you hit the middle of the can (that middles still based on a can and 'middle' being some where not near the edges).

after a practacing enough you start to choose where you hit, after that you choose where exactly the 'pellet' will hit, as aposed to just hitting some part of it, thats where your averages and persents start to come in, like hitting a 1 inch disc at 20 yards times out of hundred.. a better pellet and its 85..90 what ever, when your putting the pellet 'there' your working to pellet size irispective of what the target is, sudenly the slight differences become aparent, not just for the chin wag and here says but you learnt it. when your there is a wank pellet or it hits, oh a hit means it one whole groups in one hole lol not a nice flower club shape..

 

after all this is going you you notice one pellet does this or that.. but you've tuned into that one.. tisnt till you tune into several fluently (couple years worth of every day lol) that you'll start to chose which is best for you (like i say a shit pellet is shit..ok at 10 yards for a half inch group..but well...better of throwing the tin at it at 20 yards.).

[nobjerk 161]

Im soon going to purchase a theoben rapid s type and need some advice on what would be best cal for sub 12ftlbs i have a .22 hw77k but have been getting told to get 177 for more range any advice anyone oh ye its for hunting rabbits and pigeons

 

177 everytime , more range , cheaper ammo , flatter tradjectory , better penetration and most important greater accuracy. ive a aa s410 in .177 and using accupel its hard to beat , ive tried most current rifles as a mate is a field trial super hero who gets a few to try out and ones he has won in comp and this was the most reliable accurate set up for us.

[Guest Scuba1]

Like the dead donkeys Scuba I love my .22's, never had a reason to change, so stuck with it

 

I have a few of them ...... had to get them for these kind of threads.