NOBS

[PuBS 1]

NOBS

did you get any success, are they value for money?

Edited August 15, 2009 by PuBS

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NOBS

did you get any success, are they value for money?

 

Idea was good, now a waste of time.

[spars 1]

Well worth the money the new insurance deal is the best out there its only £20 including membership to nobs, if you know of any cheaper shooting insurance that covers ALL fieldsports let me know

[PuBS 1]

Well worth the money the new insurance deal is the best out there its only £20 including membership to nobs, if you know of any cheaper shooting insurance that covers ALL fieldsports let me know

How many people have actually received the small print on this insurance deal?

The information is very sketchy.

According to the information I have gleaned it is effective from August 1st 2009 so unless you renew after that date you arent covered, unless NOBS arrange for additional payment from people who joined or renewed prior to that date.

NOBS record on membership renewals, issuing of new membership cards and dealing with queries is not exactly in the prompt class! Their membership records themselves are disorganised to say the least judging by some accounts I have heard.

When the deal was announced people wee directed to the NOBS website for details, only problem there werent any!!

[spars 1]

Do pubs do insurance?

[PuBS 1]

Do pubs do insurance?

We have been looking at various deals but to be honest, you do get a GREAT deal from most shooting organisations.

Most people belong to several of these already and are covered in any case.

I once enquired regarding how any claim would be dealt with as i already belong to a variety of organisations offering cover as part of the sub.

The answer is that you wouldnt be able to claim more than once for the same incident, so really the insurance cover is unecessary for anyone belonging to an existing countryside organisation offering such cover.

[mutsnuts 0]

Nick you are now banned from so many other forums for telling untruths about nobs and individuals you have now chosen this one to spout your rubbish well I hope admin on this site follow the other forums and ban you before u ruin it as well

 

 

 

NOBs insurance is excellent value for money it does have legal fees included, you must spend all your free time tying to come up with ways to knock NOBs I feel sorry for your wife having to live with you in your mental state.

 

 

 

Ps. Nick I also bought a book from NOBsJ

 

 

 

poison , pure poison . members beware

[PuBS 1]

Nick you are now banned from so many other forums for telling untruths about nobs and individuals you have now chosen this one to spout your rubbish well I hope admin on this site follow the other forums and ban you before u ruin it as well

 

 

 

NOBs insurance is excellent value for money it does have legal fees included, you must spend all your free time tying to come up with ways to knock NOBs I feel sorry for your wife having to live with you in your mental state.

 

 

 

Ps. Nick I also bought a book from NOBsJ

 

 

 

poison , pure poison . members beware

I gather that you arent a fan of mine then.

Read what others say about NOBS on this thread then reflect and reconsider.

Untruths - then why have they not been denied?

 

Why do you have to get details of the accounts from Companies house and NOBS dont circulate them?

 

Is it because they claim 9,000+ members but have income of only £28,000, including sponsorship of nearly £6,000 - there cannot be 9,000 paid up members for a start(Figures as at 30.6.2008 -2009 accounts awaited.)

 

Every countryside organisation to which I belong either mails their accounts or has them available on line.

Why do people who pay fees have no say in how things are run?

For more details look at getitorfyerchest - Im not cluttering this forum up.

 

My wife has been married to me for 35 years next month, a life sentence is shorter.

[fishfish 17]

rip off! just preying on the skint who need some birds for dinner and a couple of quid for the leccy! tossers.

[PuBS 1]

rip off! just preying on the skint who need some birds for dinner and a couple of quid for the leccy! tossers.

mutsnuts appears to put a minority viewpoint then!!

So dogsbollox is not an accurate reflection of the situation.

[PuBS 1]

Apparently,so i have heard, the NOBS insurance is for SPORT only.

Would this mean that a beater or picker up receiving payment is not covered? And remember even a brace of birds could legally be deemed payment.

 

Shoots should already have cover in place covering beaters etc against third party liability, my household policy already covers me for indulging in leisure activities, and most companies would have similar cover for other people I am certain,so what is the real benefit of parting with money for cover which either doesnt work, or is unecessary?

[lone wolf 0]

im in nobs and find them good for what i pay,they have organised many gundog training days very cheaply and they have been really good.ive got no problem with nobs at all

[raymond1 262]

Nick you are now banned from so many other forums for telling untruths about nobs and individuals you have now chosen this one to spout your rubbish well I hope admin on this site follow the other forums and ban you before u ruin it as well

 

 

 

NOBs insurance is excellent value for money it does have legal fees included, you must spend all your free time tying to come up with ways to knock NOBs I feel sorry for your wife having to live with you in your mental state.

 

 

 

Ps. Nick I also bought a book from NOBsJ

 

 

 

poison , pure poison . members beware

he does seem to put a reasnable point accross mutts without him being personal like you , his story holds validation because he is offering information that could be varified with such like as company house .

it is also well known that insurance company's will wriggle so it is quite plausible that the leagal aspects of what is being said hold water ,

so why should he be banned from any forum just for highlighting potential pitfalls ?

[PuBS 1]

There is more information and comment on NOBS Insurance Deal on this thread -

"N O B S...any good? "

 

I really do not know what to say now, and thats a first!!!

[Foxgun Tom 75]

If fellow guns will allow me to make a few points clear from my perspective as the former "Development Officer" for "THE SCOTTISH ASSOCIATON FOR COUNTRYSPORTS" (SACS) I have major concerns that NOBS as an organisation and its members may be misled in relation to the insurance cover!! and that its members may be put at risk?? This alliance is more beneficial to SACS than NOBS? If NOBS membership numbers are to be believed? NOBS have a far larger membership than SACS? A member of SACS (Mrs F Booth) contacted office admin last year enquiring about total no: of membership she was informed the total was just over 4,000 plus!, I was totally taken aback by the statement and when I asked for the truth in relation to membership no's, I was informed by the office admin, that number was a true reflection of the membership (I was speaking to the admin when the call came through) The office admin was rebuked for this and next time told to say by Ian Clark "We have had over 10,000 members, I was also told to say the same to potential advertisers seeking adverts in the magazine, if they asked the same question!!

 

The insurance cover is for sporting purposes only!! If an individual is picking up, beating and receives finanancial reward or any other renumeration, thats a commercial enterprise, in my opinion!! as I was always told that repeatedly by Ian Clark!!!! for over five years, while involved in recruitment and that the insurance would be void, full stop!

 

Ian Clark also say's "I try to explain things clearly, in plain english - if anyone needs clarification of anything I say, I am always happy to do that - it just means that my english wasn't plain enough, not that there is anything being concealed or twisted."

 

I have asked him to clarify a number of things whilst Development Officer and since leaving!! and so have members? the result was we were all ignored!! Its, the strategy of the Director to bluff and ignore when a difficult question is put!! especially one he does'nt want to or can't answer He's done this to members for years while I've been there and he's recently done it to me!! This paragraph is'nt a personal attack (I've shared rooms with him, socialiised with him and for a long time regarded him as a close friend! I even tried to heal the rift and build bridges recently and was ignored!) its just the way Ian runs SACS??

 

As this is an issue about the integrity of the insurance!! and that was one of the reasons I left the association, eg: unqualified coaches on clay stands teaching members of the public?. What would the insurers reaction be if a member of the public was injured while being taught by an unqualified coach?? There were unqualified coaches on the SACS try gun stand at the Dumfries and Galloway show this year again??, despite me voicing concerns last year!! One of whom was a young lad who lost an eye in a shooting accident a couple of years ago and he was teaching a child despite having no qualification to do so??, there was also no police disclosure checks to allay fears that these coaches were fit and proper persons to inter-act with children? That was another concern I raised!! Are police disclosure checks an element of the insurance?

 

 

Part of my remit as the former Development Officer with SACS was promotion and recruitment and explaining the benefits and pitfalls of the insurance cover to potential members

 

My understanding is that Ian Clark may have recruited NOBS as members simply to boost numbers for the benefit of the management committee and to keep secure his own posistion as Director? without discussing the full implications of the insurance cover?. I am fully aware that membership has been affected since I left?, many clubs and single members simply have not renewed!! I am personally still getting at least between 15/20 enquiries a month re: membership to SAC's I normally direct these potential members elsewhere!!

 

Another point re: NOBS relationship with SACS should also be of some concern to Nobs members? NOBS is a UK nation wide organisation!! SACS was formed and exists to protect and preserve fieldsports Scotland and Northern Ireland only!!, It cannot lobby, protect promote or secure any fieldsport in England or Wales and that includes shooting!! this is all outside of SACS remit

Monies raised through SACS membership is used in Scotland and Northern Ireland, "it is not for the benefit of England and Wales!! I wonder if these points were made clear to NOBS members?? The only benefit to members south of the border is cheap insurance they do not share the other benefits secured if your a member in Scotland and Northern Ireland, my posistion on that matter is that its always been unfair and should have been change a long time ago!!!!!!!!

 

Tom

 

Ps: This post is not written with any malice in mind!! its fact based on my experience and knowledge as the former Development Officer of SACS and what still appears on the SACS website and mission statement to this very day!!

 

With accordance to the guidelines on the hunting life none of the above is either: "false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, violative of any law or otherwise damaging to hunting in general.

 

Below is some extracts from the SACS website:

 

http://www.sacs.org.uk/Sacs/Mission%20Statement.htm

 

WELCOME to the SACS WEBSITE

 

We exist to promote and protect the future of country sports in Scotland and Northern Ireland, the environment on which they depend, and the interests of those people who are involved or employed in managing, conserving, and enjoying Scotland's and Northern Ireland's unique sporting heritage.

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http://www.sacs.org.uk/

 

Background

 

The Association was formed in 1994, in response to a growing belief by country sportsmen in Scotland that their best interests were not being served by existing countryside organisations, which were based in England.

 

Scotland, with its different countryside, separate legal system and cultural differences from the rest of the UK did not fit conveniently into the "English" pattern.

 

It was felt strongly that Scottish members of these organisations were being treated unfairly by comparison with the English members, who formed the greater part of the membership of these organisations.

 

SACS is based in Scotland, run by people living in Scotland for people living or taking part in country sports here. It is not restricted to shooting sports – we represent all who use the country for sport, whether you hunt, shoot, fish, fly hawks, work terriers – the list is endless.

Edited September 15, 2009 by Foxgun Tom