phantomflanflinger 24 Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 yes i agree it is mostly about the thrill of the chase .but the thrill comes from the dog that tryes the hardest but if it was just about chasing things why not just run a sight hound . the reason a lurcher was bred was for the cunning a dog that will think about its quarry,s next move to out wit it . you say a dog was bred to chase things the dog was actually bred to hunt and keep its masters belly full but like you say everyone has there own opinion and the guy who was running the lure on the days opinion was that he didn,t need the gates i also thought the show was a good show and can,t wait untill next year my own opinion was it was perfect . dont change a thing Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FELL TYPE 56 Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 the reson there was no gate on the simulated coursing was because we wanted simulated coursing not gate raceing .with gate raceing you could race a lurcher against a labarador the lurcher would be faster but miss a gate so the lab would win . just like in the waterloo cup the coursing was judged by one indipendent man and the rules were laid out for everyone to see Quote Link to post Share on other sites
themadhatter 0 Posted August 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 i was at edrd over the weekend it is definitely one to put in your diary, i will be there next year without a doubt,even if i have to walk. it was five times the size of last year and well done everyone for a good show, but the simulated coursing team well thats the worst judging i have seen they should of had gates up, but thanks for a good show and well done. So the dumbest dog that follows the exact line the lure has run through gates wins Personally i think its a crock of shit & but if folk want to enter then they have to abide to the rule that the judges decision is final, end of May have the wrong end of the stick here but didnt you use to knock about with track racing dogs (whippets I think). Surely chasing stuff quarry or artificial is a case of instinct not inteligence the running cunning bit comes later with experiance JMHO yes i used to have racing whippets, i have had running dogs for the last 21 yrs,all types shapes and sizes,and all my dogs have chased live quarry before they even knew what an artificial lure was, and one thing for certain is you cannot beat experience. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
themadhatter 0 Posted August 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 yes i agree it is mostly about the thrill of the chase .but the thrill comes from the dog that tryes the hardestbut if it was just about chasing things why not just run a sight hound . the reason a lurcher was bred was for the cunning a dog that will think about its quarry,s next move to out wit it . you say a dog was bred to chase things the dog was actually bred to hunt and keep its masters belly full but like you say everyone has there own opinion and the guy who was running the lure on the days opinion was that he didn,t need the gates i also thought the show was a good show and can,t wait untill next year my own opinion was it was perfect . dont change a thing i do run sight hounds and as you say the dog was bred to keep its masters belly full, it still has to chase the quarry to kill it or not in some cases, or is it one of these world beaters , the best thing since sliced bread and all that???, and the judging was something to be desired and thats all i have to say about that . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lemmy 0 Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 (edited) I must say that I could not for the life of me understand the judging on the day. The dog that was pulled out of the final, having previously run two races back to back, could only jog in a straight line in the final of his card (he was fried!!) yet was given the win despite the loser running the course and stayed with the lure. Even the slippers were gobsmacked at the decision!! I know that the the judge is an experienced lurcher man (I do not know him personally), which surprised me even more. What are the rules, just out of interest? Can I also add a comment to the organisers. Harry, who was pulled from the final, had to run three races within 10 minutes of each other on a very hot day, and was then asked to go straight into a head to head with the winner of the first card who must have had an hours rest whilst the second card was run. We decided to pull Harry as is was evident that he was not fit to run, yet someone with a bit more pride could well have run there dog to the detriment of it's health. It was a shame not to have run the final, perhaps running one large card would alleviate the dangers or even run the final after the straight racing so there could be three finals together - simulated, straight under 23" and the over 23" final. Other than that it was a great day out and I shall be back next year. Edited August 16, 2009 by Lemmy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
themadhatter 0 Posted August 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 I must say that I could not for the life of me understand the judging on the day. The dog that was pulled out of the final, having previously run two races back to back, could only jog in a straight line in the final of his card (he was fried!!) yet was given the win despite the loser running the course and stayed with the lure. Even the slippers were gobsmacked at the decision!! I know that the the judge is an experienced lurcher man (I do not know him personally), which surprised me even more. What are the rules, just out of interest? Can I also add a comment to the organisers. Harry, who was pulled from the final, had to run three races within 10 minutes of each other on a very hot day, and was then asked to go straight into a head to head with the winner of the first card who must have had an hours rest whilst the second card was run. We decided to pull Harry as is was evident that he was not fit to run, yet someone with a bit more pride could well have run there dog to the detriment of it's health. It was a shame not to have run the final, perhaps running one large card would alleviate the dangers or even run the final after the straight racing so there could be three finals together - simulated, straight under 23" and the over 23" final. Other than that it was a great day out and I shall be back next year. are you the owner of the dog what was pulled out of the final of the simulated coursing?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lemmy 0 Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 are you the owner of the dog what was pulled out of the final of the simulated coursing?? No, he belongs a friend who was with me that day. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
themadhatter 0 Posted August 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 are you the owner of the dog what was pulled out of the final of the simulated coursing?? No, he belongs a friend who was with me that day. i was with the lad who won the simulated coursing, and we were on about the final, we both said that the final should of been ran after the other dog had rested as it was really hot, because both dogs had ran well and deserved to be in the final,and it should of been ran after the first card of the straight racing,then at least both dogs would of had their chance. it is a shame that they pulled him out but the dogs welfare does come first,anyway all the best for the future . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
andrewdack 0 Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 (edited) Just to state a fact...I offered to run the final later in the day when the weather was cooler and the dogs had had chance to rest but the offer was declined by the owner of the dog who won the second card.....yes it would have been nice to run the final and the organisers were prepared to do this but there offer was also declined....if the dog was pulled it was pulled not to do with not being offered alternatives but because the owner chose to...yes it was a different way of running the simulated coursing and it was not to everyones liking but that never stopped the dog from the second card running the final no matter what time it took place...it was the owners choice...end of!! Edited August 16, 2009 by andrewdack Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lemmy 0 Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 Just to state a fact...I offered to run the final later in the day when the weather was cooler and the dogs had had chance to rest but the offer was declined by the owner of the dog who won the second card.....yes it would have been nice to run the final and the organisers were prepared to do this but there offer was also declined....if the dog was pulled it was pulled not to do with not being offered alternatives but because the owner chose to...yes it was a different way of running the simulated coursing and it was not to everyones liking but that never stopped the dog from the second card running the final no matter what time it took place...it was the owners choice...end of!! I'm not denying that you offered to run the race later in the day, very gentlemanly of you, and that it was graciously declined. That isn't the point in question. The point I am trying to make, and I think you will agree, is that I feel it could have been run slightly better on the day, both with a greater welfare to the dog and to improve the racing that a lot of people travelled great distances for. Can I just add I think you dog was a real cracker, and should do well if he's has that speed at a relatively young age. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
andrewdack 0 Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 (edited) I only responded to your post mate because you were letting people think that there was no offer to run the final later in the day and there was. I am also very concious of my dogs welfare and that is why I offered to run the final later. As I have said in an earlier post, I also preferred the gate method used by other racing teams but as it went in my favour i was reluctant to approach the subject, but had my dog fell fowl to the judging process I too would probably be a bit more keen to point out discrepancies and tips for future events....but I didn't so I am not Thankyou for your comments about my dog, he is 13 months tomorrow and the season ahead will hopefully only improve his speed and stamina, as long as I get away with minimal injuries over the season I will have him back racing next year. Can I add that on the day I spoke to the owner of 'Harry' and said how much I liked her dog and that I thought they had put some good work into it considering how they got it, it was a credit to them Edited August 17, 2009 by andrewdack Quote Link to post Share on other sites
themadhatter 0 Posted August 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 I only responded to your post mate because you were letting people think that there was no offer to run the final later in the day and there was. I am also very concious of my dogs welfare and that is why I offered to run the final later. As I have said in an earlier post, I also preferred the gate method used by other racing teams but as it went in my favour i was reluctant to approach the subject, but had my dog fell fowl to the judging process I too would probably be a bit more keen to point out discrepancies and tips for future events....but I didn't so I am not Thankyou for your comments about my dog, he is 13 months tomorrow and the season ahead will hopefully only improve his speed and stamina, as long as I get away with minimal injuries over the season I will have him back racing next year. Can I add that on the day I spoke to the owner of 'Harry' and said how much I liked her dog and that I thought they had put some good work into it considering how they got it, it was a credit to them i knew the dog was offered to run later that day and no one would say anything about anything if it went in their favour, my dog fell foul of the judging process but nothing can be done about it, you just have to carry on and hope for better luck next time, and as i stated at the begining of this issue the judging team is some thing to be desired, but the show was a very good show and well done to everyone who helped make the show as good as it was and i will be there next year without a doubt. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bluedogge 1 Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 why do people insist on starting a row about something that was done as a bit of fun?if dont agree with it dont go and watch it! :censored: :wallbash: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
themadhatter 0 Posted August 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 i didn,t intend to start a row,it just ended up going that way, but never mind what is done is done. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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