toughguy 0 Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Oh Sounder, Im afraid you disappoint me once again.....To go on the word of a man who uses the term DRUGONIAN, when the actual term is DRACONIAN, amuses me. It tells me all I need to know about IVORBIGUN, as does his name...God bless him.( must be feeling somewhat inadequate) Trust me Sounder, Philip is a gentleman. Quote Link to post
zak190 7 Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 With respect Bigun, Philip is a man with an incredible knowledge of dogs . As I have already mentioned the dogs are kept on a farm. As a lurcherman of many years I have never seen any dog breeder on either side of the water breed such consistantly top class dogs. For those of us big enough to admit the truth, Philip should indeed be respected as one of the greatest lurchermen of his generation. Knowing Philp as well as I do, Im sure he would be laughing away at some of the comments so far. Ted, was probably the finest wheaten dog I have ever or will ever see in my lifetime...owner, Philip King. i toughguy phil ad wheaten called rambo it used to live in a little brick hut half way down the driveway that was the best wheaten ive seen do you remeber that dog Quote Link to post
macker 5 Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 very good reply neil. alot of decent dog still like pk to rear pups. the dogs are free range as he would tell you. i have been at his yard and seen twenty or thirty dogs in top class condition and ready to run even pups in great condition. i have never seen one single advert for this man and he still can sell dogs. like him or not he can and does have his dogs in such a standard that most lads well under half his age can not get their dogs to. and has been coursing before most of the people that slate him where born. i am not a friend of his at all and know people that like and also dont like him.so i have no reason to be sticking up for him but i will say him and his mates are hard to beat in the field have gave this topic some tought and with the amount of dogs that have been stolen this year which people close to him have cruelly found out that i think this topic might be better deleted as have a feeling that dog theifs or at least people with contact with thieving scum are viewing forums these days. just too many on these forums to be able to trust every one. atb macker Quote Link to post
sounder 9 Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Oh Sounder, Im afraid you disappoint me once again.....To go on the word of a man who uses the term DRUGONIAN, when the actual term is DRACONIAN, amuses me. It tells me all I need to know about IVORBIGUN, as does his name...God bless him.( must be feeling somewhat inadequate) Trust me Sounder, Philip is a gentleman.again i don't know who the fk king is or care tbh or does it matter who or whats said about mr king ............ my point is he was name to breed hare dogs in the first thread then he be put up as a peddler! and his kennles are dirty dogs everywhere ,dead dogs about !!!!!!! i look and will say it all hear say but as i say this is a open forum, the wrong people look as it's known they in here all the time on these site land to his door over what people write in a post on here, don't think he be much of a gentleman when the man that name him called to see him ,yes he may have the best dogs , good kennels, he may be the gentleman of gentlemen,so nothing against him in any way i am only worried about what happend to lurcherman in ireland if it all hit the news and paper like the terrier crack not to long ago or they call to ye door is the only time we listen,toughguy read between the lines where this could go,to all our door,so look at it on my piont sould i leave it up or take it down ?????? sounder Quote Link to post
toughguy 0 Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 With respect Bigun, Philip is a man with an incredible knowledge of dogs . As I have already mentioned the dogs are kept on a farm. As a lurcherman of many years I have never seen any dog breeder on either side of the water breed such consistantly top class dogs. For those of us big enough to admit the truth, Philip should indeed be respected as one of the greatest lurchermen of his generation. Knowing Philp as well as I do, Im sure he would be laughing away at some of the comments so far. Ted, was probably the finest wheaten dog I have ever or will ever see in my lifetime...owner, Philip King. i toughguy phil ad wheaten called rambo it used to live in a little brick hut half way down the driveway that was the best wheaten ive seen do you remeber that dog Zak, I cant remember a wheaten dog called Rambo, what year roughly was that? I remember a fine lurcher dog belonging to a chap by the name of Kevin Reavey just above the border there, back in the 80s called Rambo. I bred off that dog and produced a fine bitch that was killed one night during a lightning strike, believe it or not. Quote Link to post
toughguy 0 Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Oh Sounder, Im afraid you disappoint me once again.....To go on the word of a man who uses the term DRUGONIAN, when the actual term is DRACONIAN, amuses me. It tells me all I need to know about IVORBIGUN, as does his name...God bless him.( must be feeling somewhat inadequate) Trust me Sounder, Philip is a gentleman.again i don't know who the fk king is or care tbh or does it matter who or whats said about mr king ............ my point is he was name to breed hare dogs in the first thread then he be put up as a peddler! and his kennles are dirty dogs everywhere ,dead dogs about !!!!!!! i look and will say it all hear say but as i say this is a open forum, the wrong people look as it's known they in here all the time on these site land to his door over what people write in a post on here, don't think he be much of a gentleman when the man that name him called to see him ,yes he may have the best dogs , good kennels, he may be the gentleman of gentlemen,so nothing against him in any way i am only worried about what happend to lurcherman in ireland if it all hit the news and paper like the terrier crack not to long ago or they call to ye door is the only time we listen,toughguy read between the lines where this could go,to all our door,so look at it on my piont sould i leave it up or take it down ?????? sounder Quote Link to post
toughguy 0 Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Oh Sounder, Im afraid you disappoint me once again.....To go on the word of a man who uses the term DRUGONIAN, when the actual term is DRACONIAN, amuses me. It tells me all I need to know about IVORBIGUN, as does his name...God bless him.( must be feeling somewhat inadequate) Trust me Sounder, Philip is a gentleman.again i don't know who the fk king is or care tbh or does it matter who or whats said about mr king ............ my point is he was name to breed hare dogs in the first thread then he be put up as a peddler! and his kennles are dirty dogs everywhere ,dead dogs about !!!!!!! i look and will say it all hear say but as i say this is a open forum, the wrong people look as it's known they in here all the time on these site land to his door over what people write in a post on here, don't think he be much of a gentleman when the man that name him called to see him ,yes he may have the best dogs , good kennels, he may be the gentleman of gentlemen,so nothing against him in any way i am only worried about what happend to lurcherman in ireland if it all hit the news and paper like the terrier crack not to long ago or they call to ye door is the only time we listen,toughguy read between the lines where this could go,to all our door,so look at it on my piont sould i leave it up or take it down ?????? sounder Sounder, Do what you feel you must ,my friend ,but bear in mind ,If I had of shit myself 40 years ago when first chased on a dark windy night, across the mountains, I would have missed out on countless hundreds of escapades that have made me the toughguy today.Unlike many of your readers, I dont have many years left at this game but I intend to enjoy as many more late night ventures as possible. The rush of adrenalin....you know....you've been there Sounder......Come on......They are lying down across the water...Not me sounder..not me.... Quote Link to post
Guest penny Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 With respect Bigun, Philip is a man with an incredible knowledge of dogs . As I have already mentioned the dogs are kept on a farm. As a lurcherman of many years I have never seen any dog breeder on either side of the water breed such consistantly top class dogs. For those of us big enough to admit the truth, Philip should indeed be respected as one of the greatest lurchermen of his generation. Knowing Philp as well as I do, Im sure he would be laughing away at some of the comments so far. Ted, was probably the finest wheaten dog I have ever or will ever see in my lifetime...owner, Philip King. i toughguy phil ad wheaten called rambo it used to live in a little brick hut half way down the driveway that was the best wheaten ive seen do you remeber that dog Zak, I cant remember a wheaten dog called Rambo, what year roughly was that? I remember a fine lurcher dog belonging to a chap by the name of Kevin Reavey just above the border there, back in the 80s called Rambo. I bred off that dog and produced a fine bitch that was killed one night during a lightning strike, believe it or not. the rambo dog u mentioned all his pups where jackers i hunted with them every week useless Quote Link to post
sounder 9 Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Oh Sounder, Im afraid you disappoint me once again.....To go on the word of a man who uses the term DRUGONIAN, when the actual term is DRACONIAN, amuses me. It tells me all I need to know about IVORBIGUN, as does his name...God bless him.( must be feeling somewhat inadequate) Trust me Sounder, Philip is a gentleman.again i don't know who the fk king is or care tbh or does it matter who or whats said about mr king ............ my point is he was name to breed hare dogs in the first thread then he be put up as a peddler! and his kennles are dirty dogs everywhere ,dead dogs about !!!!!!! i look and will say it all hear say but as i say this is a open forum, the wrong people look as it's known they in here all the time on these site land to his door over what people write in a post on here, don't think he be much of a gentleman when the man that name him called to see him ,yes he may have the best dogs , good kennels, he may be the gentleman of gentlemen,so nothing against him in any way i am only worried about what happend to lurcherman in ireland if it all hit the news and paper like the terrier crack not to long ago or they call to ye door is the only time we listen,toughguy read between the lines where this could go,to all our door,so look at it on my piont sould i leave it up or take it down ?????? sounder Sounder, Do what you feel you must ,my friend ,but bear in mind ,If I had of shit myself 40 years ago when first chased on a dark windy night, across the mountains, I would have missed out on countless hundreds of escapades that have made me the toughguy today.Unlike many of your readers, I dont have many years left at this game but I intend to enjoy as many more late night ventures as possible. The rush of adrenalin....you know....you've been there Sounder......Come on......They are lying down across the water...Not me sounder..not me.... yes we all being there that the thing but some that have many years left in our sport won't have it if we give anti amo to stop the sport i want to stop hunting when i can't walk no more not because people post up on a open forum givin anti amo,, i don't like jumping in on topic but i feel times people just say to much, atb sounder Quote Link to post
Guest penny Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Oh Sounder, Im afraid you disappoint me once again.....To go on the word of a man who uses the term DRUGONIAN, when the actual term is DRACONIAN, amuses me. It tells me all I need to know about IVORBIGUN, as does his name...God bless him.( must be feeling somewhat inadequate) Trust me Sounder, Philip is a gentleman.again i don't know who the fk king is or care tbh or does it matter who or whats said about mr king ............ my point is he was name to breed hare dogs in the first thread then he be put up as a peddler! and his kennles are dirty dogs everywhere ,dead dogs about !!!!!!! i look and will say it all hear say but as i say this is a open forum, the wrong people look as it's known they in here all the time on these site land to his door over what people write in a post on here, don't think he be much of a gentleman when the man that name him called to see him ,yes he may have the best dogs , good kennels, he may be the gentleman of gentlemen,so nothing against him in any way i am only worried about what happend to lurcherman in ireland if it all hit the news and paper like the terrier crack not to long ago or they call to ye door is the only time we listen,toughguy read between the lines where this could go,to all our door,so look at it on my piont sould i leave it up or take it down ?????? sounder Sounder, Do what you feel you must ,my friend ,but bear in mind ,If I had of shit myself 40 years ago when first chased on a dark windy night, across the mountains, I would have missed out on countless hundreds of escapades that have made me the toughguy today.Unlike many of your readers, I dont have many years left at this game but I intend to enjoy as many more late night ventures as possible. The rush of adrenalin....you know....you've been there Sounder......Come on......They are lying down across the water...Not me sounder..not me.... p k should not b named on this site that said i got dogs of him. any we got were good at what we wanted them for.cup of tea and sandwiches waiting when we arrived,he is a good doggie man.still have dogs breed from his line today6 years old still working away :clapper: Quote Link to post
toughguy 0 Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 very good reply neil.alot of decent dog still like pk to rear pups. the dogs are free range as he would tell you. i have been at his yard and seen twenty or thirty dogs in top class condition and ready to run even pups in great condition. i have never seen one single advert for this man and he still can sell dogs. like him or not he can and does have his dogs in such a standard that most lads well under half his age can not get their dogs to. and has been coursing before most of the people that slate him where born. i am not a friend of his at all and know people that like and also dont like him.so i have no reason to be sticking up for him but i will say him and his mates are hard to beat in the field have gave this topic some tought and with the amount of dogs that have been stolen this year which people close to him have cruelly found out that i think this topic might be better deleted as have a feeling that dog theifs or at least people with contact with thieving scum are viewing forums these days. just too many on these forums to be able to trust every one. atb macker Dare I mention after all these years, what happened to the wheaten terriers (17 in number I recall) belonging to the greatest wheaten terrier man this country has ever known, as he was being laid to rest...........SHAME Quote Link to post
jack lee 137 Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 TOUGHGUY i do remember hearing about wheatens been taken from ogormans yard when indeed they were laying the man to rest,not to sure if this is what you are on about. they were brought up north . a few of the boys up there ended up with a few good dogs that they made out they bred,when they were asked what became of the 17 wheatens they said they put them down because thats the way ogorman would of wanted it,talk trying to make it your own Quote Link to post
Jacob27 3 Posted August 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 lads i think you may be a bit of track here, while wheatens play a big part in our lurchers, i was really trying to find out about the good dogs past and present, who bred them, and were good dogs consistent with the same breeders.i firmly believe that most of our top dogs here in the uk have some type of irish blood in them,as is the irish dogs would havesome type of english blood in them ,the point is by working together we can produce some excellent sporting dogs Quote Link to post
black assassin 0 Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 as i have come to this topic late and seem to have the best knowledge of mr kings yard i feel i must add a futher coment rambo was not a full wheaten but irish ardle kerry blue and wheaten all mixed however he had a wheaten called ted the reason king dose not need to advertise is he has been very lucky to sell some of his dogs to very good handlers and as any dog man knows no matter how well bread or well reared a dog is in the wrong hands his or her hunting life will be short lived and as i have found when you do sell one on to england or else where in ireland and say where it came from by way of advertisement when you go back to buy again you will soon find a some what higher price list and the man that finished these dogs of and actuly made them what they were is never mentioned funny how some men always seem to buy good dogs of king and some seem to try and try and never get a good one of him Quote Link to post
swamp rat 0 Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 dont no the man so not getting involved in the slanging but that tractor tyre idea sounds like it would be quite good you think about the size of a tractor back wheel tyre, filled with straw, the dog will be lying below the top of the tyre so any draught would pass over the top and if it was really cold the dog would be able to push its way into the rim part of the tyre to get extra warmth. its not how I would do things but I cant knock the idea theres worse ways to house dogs Quote Link to post
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