diggory 130 Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 what do you reckon,anyone seen the russian fight ? will hayes speed overcome the size difference ? well hayes as talked the talk,now its time to put up or shut up . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spep21 0 Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 I think Hayes will knock him out mate. I think it's an easier fight than the Klitchko brothers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
diggory 130 Posted July 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 saw the russian in his last fight,hes massive but very ponderus,he won his last fight by mauling his opponent . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,084 Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 I think Hayes will knock him out mate. I think it's an easier fight than the Klitchko brothers. I agree with this i think when your giving up as much size and strength as haye was going to against either klitchko you may as well give up a little bit more for a technically easier fight.I dont think haye could have beaten either klitchko myself but i give him a better than average chance of beating the russian. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spep21 0 Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 I think Hayes will knock him out mate. I think it's an easier fight than the Klitchko brothers. I agree with this i think when your giving up as much size and strength as haye was going to against either klitchko you may as well give up a little bit more for a technically easier fight.I dont think haye could have beaten either klitchko myself but i give him a better than average chance of beating the russian. I agree mate, think he would struggle against the Klitchkos. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,084 Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 Incidentally it seems quite funny now thinking this time last year i had lads on here taking the piss out of me because i said haye was a ten times better fighter than enzo maccarenelli before they fought.....now hayes fighting for a world heavyweight title and enzo.......well enzo is just enzo. If im not wrong they was the same lads off here taking the piss out of me for saying amir khan would win a world title inside 2 years..............just a shame none of them have the decency to honour the bets they made i had them down as better than that Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bill88 6 Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 Incidentally it seems quite funny now thinking this time last year i had lads on here taking the piss out of me because i said haye was a ten times better fighter than enzo maccarenelli before they fought.....now hayes fighting for a world heavyweight title and enzo.......well enzo is just enzo.If im not wrong they was the same lads off here taking the piss out of me for saying amir khan would win a world title inside 2 years..............just a shame none of them have the decency to honour the bets they made i had them down as better than that Gnash,i held my hands up when Haye beat Enzo,and i asked how you wanted paying,so i'm sure you didn't mean me.Boxings a funny old game as you know,Enzo looks about done now,and Amir well i never doubted he'd win a version of the title,but his chin will always be questionable.Kotelnik was the weakest world title holder.As far as prospects are concerned,i'm thinking Cleverley can go places in the next few years.All the best,Bill Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Penda 3,341 Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 klitchko brothers are top class fighters and to be honest im not a big fan of haye i hope he gets spannered all over the place Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Big bald beautiful 1,231 Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 Hayes giving too much weight and size away, how can he push that giant around. over rated cruiserweight in my book Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Big bald beautiful 1,231 Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhWh3tN5s4M...feature=related the cat Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Penda 3,341 Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 nail! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,084 Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 [quote name='bill88' date='Jul 27 2009, 07:37 PM' post='1163683' Gnash,i held my hands up when Haye beat Enzo,and i asked how you wanted paying,so i'm sure you didn't mean me.Boxings a funny old game as you know,Enzo looks about done now,and Amir well i never doubted he'd win a version of the title,but his chin will always be questionable.Kotelnik was the weakest world title holder.As far as prospects are concerned,i'm thinking Cleverley can go places in the next few years.All the best,Bill No bill i didnt mean you i dont doubt your honesty or integrity whatsoever i apologise if you thought i was directing anything at you i just didnt want to start naming names.......i cant really be arsed to dig through posts from months and years ago to prove it i just thought be it real life or on here people would honour their bets i know i do and would if the boot was on the other foot. As for khan i always said his chin may not be a major factor if his defence can be tightened and freddie roach has proved that.Early on he was a fast but reckless non stop windmill attacking style fighter....now he is just as fast but defensively sound with the same weak chin.....i always said his career is so similar to nigel benn in every way...including the weak chin. Cleverly im not sure about but your right boxings a funny game....prospects...id say a local kid to me kevin mitchells as good as any....but why aint he fighting ??? inactivity will be his downfall. Anyway mind how you go bill Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bill88 6 Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 No bill i didnt mean you i dont doubt your honesty or integrity whatsoever i apologise if you thought i was directing anything at you i just didnt want to start naming names.......i cant really be arsed to dig through posts from months and years ago to prove it i just thought be it real life or on here people would honour their bets i know i do and would if the boot was on the other foot.As for khan i always said his chin may not be a major factor if his defence can be tightened and freddie roach has proved that.Early on he was a fast but reckless non stop windmill attacking style fighter....now he is just as fast but defensively sound with the same weak chin.....i always said his career is so similar to nigel benn in every way...including the weak chin. Cleverly im not sure about but your right boxings a funny game....prospects...id say a local kid to me kevin mitchells as good as any....but why aint he fighting ??? inactivity will be his downfall. Anyway mind how you go bill No apology needed Gnash,i'm sure i don't need to remind you mate that i always have regarded you as one of the genuine people on this site.I thought you would mention Kevin Mitchell,and yes i agree he's a great prospect,but why the inactivity ? is it a promotional/managerial problem or is there something else,an injury ? I agree totally on the Khan subject,he seems far more mature and far less reckless,Freddie has done a very good job. All the best mate,as always,Bill P.S I hear Mitchell is now under Freddies guidance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
COMPO 54 Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 I think the beast from the east will win, too much size,strength and reach difference, Haye may be a better boxer but Valuev has only lost 1 fight out of 50 and that was on points, isn't he 7'02" and 23 stone? thats a lot of man ......he will be slow in comparison, but with his reach and height will Haye be able to land any telling shots to the head? or even to the body? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,084 Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 (edited) No apology needed Gnash,i'm sure i don't need to remind you mate that i always have regarded you as one of the genuine people on this site.I thought you would mention Kevin Mitchell,and yes i agree he's a great prospect,but why the inactivity ? is it a promotional/managerial problem or is there something else,an injury ?I agree totally on the Khan subject,he seems far more mature and far less reckless,Freddie has done a very good job. All the best mate,as always,Bill P.S I hear Mitchell is now under Freddies guidance. Your a good man bill In my opinion Paul Cook is a good trainer with some good prospects....BUT that whole stable works on a friendly friendly basis it is not anywhere near as competetive as some gyms......they are all a close bunch of lads from the same area all looking out for each other which is great....but a hard spar in that gym is not as competetive as a hard spar in for instance a brendan ingle gym as an example.......kevin mitchell has suffered some genuine injury setbacks but his want away has caused ripples for both himself and his brother whos another decent young prospect......all due to the fact they see themself as a team rather than individuals on the path to glory so to speak....you probably saw another lad from that stable micky lomax get destroyed by kell brook the other night....he just didnt look competetive having sparred for the fight with his pal nicky cook and thats my point. Myself id like to have seen kevin go up to brendan ingle or even stay down here with jimmy tibbs but it was more than his careers worth....although roach is probably the best trainer in the wrold is kevin going to get his full attention i dont think he will....kevin has a genuine rivalry with khan which can work for both fighters if they are mature characters which i dont think either really are so naturally sparring together may not benefit either.....a lot of trainers go through popular times like roach is having now,calzaghe had his time last few years jimmy had his time years back but it usually evens out over time as any trainer freddie roach included only has 24 hours in a day and a kid like mitchell will be way down his list of priorities at a time when he is on the verge of bigger things.....personally in that situation id like a kid getting 90% attention from a good solid trainer than 30 % attention from a great trainer.........anyway im rabbitting on ....all the best pal Edited July 28, 2009 by gnasher16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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