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are your terriers bred for the showing job stig, or do you work them,you seem well educated on the names of a lot of dog dealers and the pedigree of there dogs,i am not being nasty just curious to weather your a sales man or you actually work your terriers,its unbelivable just how many people dont work there terriers nowadays to the extent that when you go to the agricultural shows in the lake district you feel out of place at the terrier ring as you have nothing in common with the people showing terriers as theres non of them dig to them,they just talk of pedigrees and litters of pups,with no mention of work at all.

dont forget ya mole skins check shirts and ties boots aswell there every were bless em as for patterdales first ones i saw was at a show probly in 79/81 these dogs were 12 to 14in bull headed slity shaped eyes that looked right thro ya there lips was thick and leathery and well worked . when i stoped staring at these new type terriers i come across i asked this chap what are they is words was patterdales son you like em . i asked about how they worked how did that dog loose it ear or nose and that one got teeth missin i was about 14/15 at the time and reely took by these dogs not one of them dogs got shown that day lookin back he didnt av to they was in a class of there own . to me the patterdale terrier then was like a smaller version of a pitbull ?

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direct from gm stig ,did he tell you it was a white lakeland when you bought it ,he hasnt done a lot for working terriers just a work shy man ,he would tell you whatever you wanted to hear, he would buy show winning dogs not nowing the breeding and invent a pedigree,did you work this white dog regular and was it any good,im sorry if it sounds like im being picky with this i am just curious as to who started the brand name of white lakeland .

bitch worked fine died aged 8 and is buried under an apple tree in my orchard i`ve not had anything to do with gm since 1982 . i dig with a few close mates . if a white pup comes out of a litter of black and tan lakelands are the black and tan pups lakelands and the white one a russell ? i dont know where your heading with this fred seems like your havin a go for some reason if its because i`ve done the shows think on-- i`ve enjoyed doing the shows with my 3 kids to be honest we`ve all had a great time as a family doing them and the 120 odd silver cups and trophys i`ve won look fantastic shining away in my dining room some people knock shows i`ve had invites to dig all over the country just by meeting up with people at shows ..i `ve just about done with the digging game the best years are behind us now .. if you want to know about the hefty 2 grand fine i had for digging or the trouble i had for punching an anti look out for my book ..

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I haven't been to Patterdale since 1996 but I'm pretty sure there isn't and has never been a station there.

 

Are you saying that the Patterdale was the forerunner of the Fell? ie. the Patterdale was crossed with XYZ to create the Fell?

Oh ya, how can you be so sure? does anyone actually know the full ancestry of either? istead of lads going by their own theory? and jumping down other lads necks when they express their own, if im so far off,prove and il stand corrected.

just a quote

The border country of northern England and southern Scotland is a unique area that has given birth to several breeds of earth working terriers. The terrain is rugged, the weather harsh and the people tough. Life is primarily on remote farms with sheep being the main farm commodity, and for centuries, they have been protected from fox predation by aggressive hound and terrier work. Dogs suited to this inhospitable climate have weatherproof coats and may be larger than their southern cousins.

 

Patterdale terriers are native to the Lake District of northern England where the tall, bare and beautiful hills are called Fells. The weather is cold, wet and windy. The fells are steep, rocky and filled with foxes. Even 20th century farmers depend on organized fox-hound hunts to diminish the numbers of foxes that prey on their sheep, and the fox-hounds depend on fell terriers to extricate foxes from deep crevices in the rock.

 

The Fells are so rough that horses can not be used for hunting, so the Huntsman, his assistants, the hounds and terriers may cover miles walking on a mountainside in a day. The Huntsman and the Whipper in each keep a pair of terriers at their side to be instantly available when the fox goes to ground. Only the toughest of terriers can keep up all day, then go to earth and rout out a hill-fox under the worst of conditions. The Patterdale is that type of terrier. They are all of working terrier lineage and have a definite stamp of type. Fell and Patterdale Terriers are well known as hard-bitten terriers, willing to work any place, at any time.

 

While the Fell Terrier type has been known since the 1700s, it wasn’t until the early 1950s that the Patterdale Terrier had been developed as a breed as the result of the selective breeding efforts of two breeders, Cyril Breay and Frank Buck. During the 1960s, work by Brian Nuttall helped to further develop the breed.

 

In its country of origin, the Patterdale Terrier remains a working breed and is seldom shown. The first time that the Patterdale Terrier was recognized as a breed was actually in the United States when the Patterdale Terrier Club of America was founded in 1993. The United Kennel Club (UKC) accepted the breed on January 1, 1995.

well said and a good read, if anybody actually looked into the patt terriers origin they would have known this

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can i just throw a spanner into the works, why were they called patterdales when those two men produced them ? when buck and breay were making there lines together the terriers were kept at bucks for affair few years while breay was going through a bad marriage , buck lived in Yorkshire, so they mite aswell of been called yorkshire terriers there all fells at the end of the day, im no expert its just what ive been told from a man who new both men

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ill wait for the book.

thanks for the pm fred last time i was called a lad i was errrr a lad . many years gone by made me go all nostalgic thinking of conkers marbles and oranges for xmas ..