Foxgun Tom 75 Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 (edited) If the mods will indulge me and allow this post to remain here as well as in the gamefair and events section! The SACs show at Ingilston organised by SGF Events Ltd is cancelled http://www.selbygamefair.co.uk/calendar.htm I contacted the events office staff at Ingilston today and they informed me that they had been told the show was cancelled due to the current climate and a lack of interest by traders? This show was also advertised on the visit Scotland website as part of the homecoming celebrations, To say theyr'e was a lack of interest at any of the at any of the Homecoming events is a lie!! SACs got involved with an Arthur Daly type character and its came back and bit them on the arse? I actually resigned from SACs as their development Officer over SACs involvement with this guy and his company, as well as other issues! (The lack of positive action in promoting Lurcher and Terrier work despite promises being made to the contrary) Part of my remit as SAC'S former Development officer was to help secure sponsors and traders for events such as this! I personally can get sponsors no problem, because of my contancts here in Scotland, traders for this event were different kettle of fish they did'nt want to be associated with the event organisers, To say there is a lack of traders in the capital (Edinburgh) and Scotland at the time of this fair during the homecoming celebrations is laughable, some of the traders from South of the border are here still doing the show circuit, They just don't want to do business with the people involved in running this event Traders were happy and prepared to deal with me personally but as soon as the knew who the organisers were they did'nt want to know? One Welsh trader said he'd do anything for me! but he was'nt prepared to deal with the organisers, he said " I'm in Scotland that weekend and my diary is blank, I'd rather poke my eyes with a sharp stick thant deal with that mob", "Sorry Tom mate" This event if it had gone ahead with SACs name on it would have been done on a shoestring, The downside is even though personally vindicated and proved right! the homcoming celebrations have been blighted, Scottish fieldsports and working dog enthusiast have been let down and ignored, most SAC's members are not aware the show is cancelled until now? and SACs and Ian Clark have been deeply humiliated, I've also lost personal friends over the issue and I'm no longer a member of the organisation I loved, I also held out and olive branch to Ian Clark and Sacs a couple of days ago, only for it to be ignored, I'm probably better out of it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tom Below is a detail of a previous post on the Countrysports forum dated: December 1st 2008 _______________________________________________________________________________ "SACS" Gamefair Edinburgh 2009, there is no such thing? "SACS" have no involvement here except allowing the use of its name? its an outside events company that are organising the event, Some "SACS" trade members have refused to attend this event, many individual members are concerned about the company involved A well respected "SACS" management committee member resigned over the issue Ian clark as the Director took it onboard himself to commit "SACS to this event he had no discussion with the management commitee re: the matter and would'nt take advice from close friends or members? Ians reaction when told as Director was to do nothing I had been working on the "SACS" Sporting Dog Event" with other members since July 2008 I had secured some large major sponsors and was having discussions with Scotlands largest brewer, a major internet company were discussing supplying unique Scottish trophies for all the winners, This event was supposed to be part of the Scottish homecoming celebrations 2009, This dog event would have been the largest working dog event in the UK as part of the Gamefair at Edinburgh, the organisers of the "SACS" Gamefair at Edinburgh SGF Events Ltd, could not offer any financial commitment until March 2009?, to me and others involved this was unacceptable, as its alleged that sometimes promises of monies from these organisers was not always forthcoming. I was also not prepared to work promoting a Gamefair for someone else without financial support for months on end Ian Clark (SACS DIRECTOR) and"SACS" would also not commit themselves financially in advance despite the huge volume of work put in by trade and ordinary members Because of my resignation, I've handed back to SACS the cheque book for this event and gave sponsors back their funds as it wont be going ahead in the format discussed with them Tom Edited July 17, 2009 by Foxgun Tom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,549 Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Its allways short and to the point with you Thomas Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stealthy1 3,964 Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Shame some one can't rescue the show, people put a lot of time and effort into getting ready for these big events Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foxgun Tom 75 Posted July 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 (edited) Unfortunately you can't rescue a show if the organisers are seen or perceived as being disreputable? by some well respected traders, especially if its also been regarded as a con all along by a lot of Scots? In my opinion a non-show is better than one!! thats a rip-off and takes place. If SGF Events Ltd think I'm being too harsh or unfair please let me know as I have the original e-mails re: backing up my involvement in the past!! I think they should be ashamed of themselves for letting people down as I knew they would by cancelling and!! for spoiling peoples plans (its not the first time they've done this, cancelled show's at short notice) I also think to do this in the middle of the homecoming celebrations, a unique anniversary in Scottish history and culture is disgusting Every other event staged so far, as part of the celebration has been a success and an events organiser who did'nt have a clue what the homecoming means spoiled and ruined part of the celebration Tom Shame some one can't rescue the show, people put a lot of time and effort into getting ready for these big events Edited July 17, 2009 by Foxgun Tom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stealthy1 3,964 Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Unfortunately you can't rescue a show if the organisers are seen or perceived as being disreputable by some well respected traders, especially if its also been seen as a con all along? In my opinion a non-show is better than one!! thats a rip-off and takes place Tom Shame some one can't rescue the show, people put a lot of time and effort into getting ready for these big events Put like that, then its a no hoper, still a shame though, and your wasted effort. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bill88 6 Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 The writing was on the wall Tam.Dog men lose again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
markbivvy 6 Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 The writing was on the wall Tam.Dog men lose again. not only will dog men loose out but country sport on the whole will suffer if this continual bickering does not stop. Shooting and all country sports are under a lot of scrutinisation right now and any country sports organisation going to the wall will not help any of us. GET IT SORTED GENTS PLEASE. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foxgun Tom 75 Posted July 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 (edited) Mark again with the greates of respect your emphasis is on shooting and I don't fault you for that, I'm also a gun and have been for over 40 years as for sorting it out Ian Clark the Director of SAC's has no intrest in as you say "Get it sorted" he continually buries his head in the sand when the going gets tough?? I contacted him by phone, E-mail as early as today and yesterday to resolve the situation and he's ignored all approaches, I also tried to get a resolution in October last year!!. The working dog lads have allready lost out with regards to SACs , Not one official representative of the organisation has attended any independant/club Lurcher & Terrier show this year, north or south of the border?? Why and how do I know?? because that was my former job and I made a point of showing support for the ordinary working dog lads and helping them with any problems they might have had, on many occassions I gave up my spare time and funded such outings myself (I'm still attending Lurcher &Terrier shows throughout the UK as a private individual and enthusiast). I'm not bemoaning that fact, but!! working dogs have gave me so much in 40 odd years I felt and wanted to put something back You raise the point of bickering? I raise the issue of the show being cancelled and the reasons why! BASC Scotland, have their fair at Cardross, the Scottish Countryside Alliance have theirs at Glamis Castle, SAC's Could'nt hold one in an empty phone box because the infrastructure is'nt there, there's a distinct lack of funding, no profesionalism or the people left to organise it and Ian Clark won't accept advice or help from people who offered it? Tom The writing was on the wall Tam.Dog men lose again. not only will dog men loose out but country sport on the whole will suffer if this continual bickering does not stop. Shooting and all country sports are under a lot of scrutinisation right now and any country sports organisation going to the wall will not help any of us. GET IT SORTED GENTS PLEASE. Edited July 17, 2009 by Foxgun Tom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
markbivvy 6 Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 (edited) Mark again with the greates of respect your emphasis is on shooting and I don't fault you for that, 5 terriers and a couple of spaniels here that might not have anything to do if it all goes to the wall thank you. So by continuing to air your grievances on any forum that will let you, you think is helping who please. Edited July 17, 2009 by markbivvy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foxgun Tom 75 Posted July 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 (edited) Mark if in anyway I've offended you or your sensibilities I humbly apologise! Dont think for a minute that SACs is the great organisation you believe it is, your lucky if its total membership is over 5000 and I don't think it exceeds even that at the moment? It also has no lobbying power south of the border, or any type of management structure in place in England and Wales despite whisperings of creating the same, all it can offer is insurance with limited back-up. At the present time It has'nt moved on effectively enough for the benefit of its members? It will in the meantime not to be able to do anything with regards to helping south of the border if any rural pursuit "goes to the wall" it has no structure yet in place too prevent such happenings!! despite my remonstrations and asking for more inclusion for England and Wales!! If you think by airing the truth and facts amounts to a grievance, who am I to argue? SACSs even according to their own website are commited to Scotland and Northern Ireland not England and Wales why is that the case when receiving funding from throughout the UK?, Should'nt you? as a SACs member be feeling a wee bit miffed at finding out a gamefair using your organisations name is cancelled without you or the membership being notified and being told by a non-member. Its amazing I can find out more as a non-member than you can and your fully paid up!! How long have you had a membership? please remember I was a member for a long time until recently!! and involved in recruitment and promotion, I was also privy to a lot of things that went on that you would'nt believe and would make your hair curl. Members were misled. lied to, their health and youngsters maybe put at risk and you in some way would dismiss all that because you've got 5 terriers and and a couple of spaniels I apologise again! if it seems to you I'm appearing to air a grievance? but it was you who gave me the opportunity to respond to your posts as you have to mine Just to get back on topic The Post was about the SACS Game Fair being cancelled and why!! and also to let SACs members know of the cancellation, because as sure as hell neither Ian Clark or SACs have made they're members aware of the situation Tom Ps; the cancellation notice now appears on the SACs website http://www.sacs.org.uk/ and has only been added this afternoon despite Ingilston showground being informed days ago? it also states quite clearly on the SACs website why SACs exists and its promotion and protection of the future of country sports in Scotland and Northern Ireland only and no other exceptions They'll take English and Welsh money but can't and are unable to protect your countrysports south of the border To say the SACS Gamefair is cancelled because the economic climate is a nonsense?? some traders will simply not deal with certain people involved, and this is the busiest Edinburgh and Scotland has been for decades because of the homecoming? Tourists and Scots expats are travelling from all over the world to be here!! and an events organiser and SACs could'nt take advantage of that!! who are they kidding? Mark again with the greates of respect your emphasis is on shooting and I don't fault you for that, 5 terriers and a couple of spaniels here that might not have anything to do if it all goes to the wall thank you. So by continuing to air your grievances on any forum that will let you, you think is helping who please. Edited July 17, 2009 by Foxgun Tom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
swamp rat 0 Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 why dont you set up your own show useing the contacts you have and the good relationship with the traders. its too late for this year but you could do it next year? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foxgun Tom 75 Posted July 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Certainly looking at a new show for next year, where hopefully I'm taking an active part Tom why dont you set up your own show useing the contacts you have and the good relationship with the traders. its too late for this year but you could do it next year? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
markbivvy 6 Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Tom , not offended mate. i have been a member for only 2 or 3 years tom, but in that time i have had lots of help from sacs regarding firearms issues south of your border and so have a few people who i have got to join. sacs may have some faults mate , but what have you to gain by going on the way you do. I was also privy to a lot of things that went on that you would'nt believe and would make your hair curl. Members were misled. lied to, their health and youngsters maybe put at risk and you in some way would dismiss all that because you've got 5 terriers and and a couple of spaniels how on earth can i dismiss anything that you where privy to because of the dogs i have. you need to give your head a shake. , grow up and move on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
claybusers al 9 Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 tom if you are so against them why do you still have there link in your banner Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foxgun Tom 75 Posted July 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 (edited) Hi let me know where the link is and what banner? and I'll remove it? If your referring to the Countrysports forum? sacs in the web address does'nt refer to the Scottish Association for Countrysports and that forum has no links with SACs as stated clearly in the forum, if you type in, The Countrysports forum in Google it'll take you to that address I'm also not against them, only deeply disapointed that they never never kept their promises to me or kept up their commitments to, some members, and people in England and Wales The Scots and Northern Irish lads will get more commitment from SACS than a lad from say Bristol or Cardiff and thats fundamentally wrong!! and I tried to change situations like that when I was Development Officer but I was worn down by hitting my head against a brick wall Tom tom if you are so against them why do you still have there link in your banner Edited July 17, 2009 by Foxgun Tom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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