Mr_Logic 5 Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Just out if interest, I have an open FAC, a .22, a .243 and a .308 on it with no conditions.....I am thinking about purchasing a gallery rifle a la Winchester .44 magnum for gallery rifle discipline. For my variation, can I specify use on fox as well as use it for gallery rifle? What will the old bill say? Anyone with experience? Especially in the states they take down all sorts large game with these? there is no doubt that .44 magnum will upset the fox but by law I think min muzzle velocity is required. For example rifle club that I am member, not allowed to shoot anything over 2100fps, .44 magnum no problem but .17HMR not allowed, gives you rough idea. No. This is rubbish I'm afraid, you can shoot the fox with anything you like. Only restriction is the FAC conditions. Shame this rubbish keeps cropping up, eh Mr. L? The actual killing of a pest/vermin, is legal by any means, as long as there's no cruelty issues. The restrictions on a FAC relate to the use of the gun, not the killing of the animal. If you was to shoot a fox with a gun that is not conditioned for it, you would get done for breaching your FAC conditions, not for killing the fox.. Yep! I blame all the bloody pointless and confusing laws, the fuzzy antis, and overly protective sites such as Airgunbbs. Equally, I can see the point of overly protective sites given the first two! Quote Link to post
Guest john5 Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Just out if interest, I have an open FAC, a .22, a .243 and a .308 on it with no conditions.....I am thinking about purchasing a gallery rifle a la Winchester .44 magnum for gallery rifle discipline. For my variation, can I specify use on fox as well as use it for gallery rifle? What will the old bill say? Anyone with experience? Especially in the states they take down all sorts large game with these? there is no doubt that .44 magnum will upset the fox but by law I think min muzzle velocity is required. For example rifle club that I am member, not allowed to shoot anything over 2100fps, .44 magnum no problem but .17HMR not allowed, gives you rough idea. No. This is rubbish I'm afraid, you can shoot the fox with anything you like. Only restriction is the FAC conditions. Shame this rubbish keeps cropping up, eh Mr. L? The actual killing of a pest/vermin, is legal by any means, as long as there's no cruelty issues. The restrictions on a FAC relate to the use of the gun, not the killing of the animal. If you was to shoot a fox with a gun that is not conditioned for it, you would get done for breaching your FAC conditions, not for killing the fox.. i have noticed that mr so called logic has only recently gained his firearms certificate and is an expert on all callibers now including the law , still providing the foxes and other things he shoots at dont know that he is a novice , he can fill them full of sh1t Quote Link to post
cyclonebri1 8 Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Just out if interest, I have an open FAC, a .22, a .243 and a .308 on it with no conditions.....I am thinking about purchasing a gallery rifle a la Winchester .44 magnum for gallery rifle discipline. For my variation, can I specify use on fox as well as use it for gallery rifle? What will the old bill say? Anyone with experience? Especially in the states they take down all sorts large game with these? there is no doubt that .44 magnum will upset the fox but by law I think min muzzle velocity is required. For example rifle club that I am member, not allowed to shoot anything over 2100fps, .44 magnum no problem but .17HMR not allowed, gives you rough idea. No. This is rubbish I'm afraid, you can shoot the fox with anything you like. Only restriction is the FAC conditions. Shame this rubbish keeps cropping up, eh Mr. L? The actual killing of a pest/vermin, is legal by any means, as long as there's no cruelty issues. The restrictions on a FAC relate to the use of the gun, not the killing of the animal. If you was to shoot a fox with a gun that is not conditioned for it, you would get done for breaching your FAC conditions, not for killing the fox.. i have noticed that mr so called logic has only recently gained his firearms certificate and is an expert on all callibers now including the law , still providing the foxes and other things he shoots at dont know that he is a novice , he can fill them full of sh1t Unfortunately for you he is correct irrespective of what you've noticed But I would add that I don't think anyone on here is aware of any case of anyone being prossecuted for under gunning a fox, regardless of what thier cert said Quote Link to post
Mr_Logic 5 Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 John5, not sure where you've got your info from, but it's very wrong. Held a firearm certificate for 14 years, so most definitely not a novice. If you want to talk shotguns, then yep! I'm a novice. But we're talking rifles, so as a certain fat kid at South Park would say, you will respect my authoritah! Quote Link to post
RicW 67 Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Yep! I blame all the bloody pointless and confusing laws, the fuzzy antis, and overly protective sites such as Airgunbbs. Equally, I can see the point of overly protective sites given the first two! Confusing laws? Ha! You are NOT WRONG. The Home Office guidance to FEOs states quite plainly that FAC air guns may only be used to kill small pest species -not fox, which are classed as medium. If you ask for a humane dispatch tool for trapped fox the police will tell you to use a sub-12 air rifle. Er, pardon? Can you run that past me again? FAC air too weak, sub-12 ok? Yes I realise they mean at point blank range but come on! RicW Quote Link to post
Mr_Logic 5 Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Indeed! FAC Air up close is gonna work with a headshot, but I wouldn't recommend! Quote Link to post
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