adamthomas64 1 Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 (edited) hi all, ive been on here a few months now got my shot gun license and looking at applying for my firearms soon now to start with it will be at a target club with a 22lr because my feo told me he would not grant me a license for a first application if my reason is field shooting with no previous experience, which i can understand and to be honest could do with the range work anyway,but i am after some advice on different rifle calibers .22lr, 17hmr, 308 ect and what they would be used for, any other info muzzel velocities ect would be welcome too because the feo told me that before he will grant my license i have to show him knowledge on different calibers and muzzle velocities and what they would be used for, so i thought this would be a good place to ask thanks for reading guys. regards adam Edited July 10, 2009 by adamthomas64 Quote Link to post
mattydski 560 Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 adamthomas64 said: hi all, ive been on here a few months now got my shot gun license and looking at applying for my firearms soon now to start with it will be at a target club with a 22lr because my feo told me he would not grant me a license for a first application if my reason is field shooting with no previous experience, which i can understand and to be honest could do with the range work anyway,but i am after some advice on different rifle calibers .22lr, 17hmr, 308 ect and what they would be used for, any other info muzzel velocities ect would be welcome too because the feo told me that before he will grant my license i have to show him knowledge on different calibers and muzzle velocities and what they would be used for, so i thought this would be a good place to ask thanks for reading guys. regards adam How old are you....? Because that is just wrong.... I think you are being palmed off!! If you have land with permission to shoot, that is suitable for use with you chosen calibre, your referees come back positive, and there is nothing in your history that suggests otherwise....I'd be putting your application in..get someone experienced to check you application, then if it is refused.....ring BASC.. But stay polite with your FEO at all times. If you are suitable to have a SGC and have need for an FAC...IMHO...you should get it.. PS my comments refer to RIMFIRE, not C/F Quote Link to post
SportingShooter 0 Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Sounds like your FEO is being a bit of a cock to me. Won't grant you a license unless you have previous target shooting experience? What bullshit, target shooting will teach you to shoot fairly accurately and gun safety but in no way will it prepare you for field shooting, it is completely different. If you have the land and the reason, he will have no reason not to grant you a rifle for field shooting. He is being awkward. Anyway, Calibres. The smaller rifles, the rimfires come in four flavours, namely .22LR .22WMR, .17HMR and .17Mach2. With .22LR being a bread and butter Rabbit tool and the HMR following soon behind. Both a great for small ground and winged vermin. The larger rifles, centrefires, come in so many different calibres, each with a different characteristic. The main calibres in use in the UK I would estimate to be .223, .22-250, .243, .270, 6.5x55 and .308 though there are a great deal more! Th.223 and .22-250 are in the main Fox calibres, easily capable of taking Foxes at longer ranges. The .243 upward are considered to be Deer calibres, each capable of taking up to a Red Stag, the largest animal in the UK with a good shot. The .243 crosses over, being used a Fox and Deer calibre regularly. A little insight Quote Link to post
Yokel Matt 918 Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 total rubbish that mate. Terminal ballistics maybe in that you appreciate the need for impecable safety / muzzle awareness at all times and the consequences of poor practice. Quote Link to post
adamthomas64 1 Posted July 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 im 23, they said that i would need to know about suitable backstops and safe shots, muzzle energies from different calibers ect he said if he was satisfied about all this info then it would be granted but until i know this it wont, and i dont see how i can learn all this so i asked if i joined a target club to start with would this be good and he said yes, also a about 3 years ago i suffered some brief depression due to a sports injury, i was treated and all is fine now, i declared it on my shotgun lisence and it was granted they didnt even bother to write to my doctors, my worry is though is that i have to re apply for my s.g.c when i do my f.a.c is there a chance they could deny both and take my guns off me due to the depression, please bear in mind ive only had my certificate about 6 months but have NOT been in trouble or suffered wih depression since it was granted. Quote Link to post
SportingShooter 0 Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 If they have granted you an SGC with no conditions and did not consider your depression to be a negative factor then they cannot take it off you if you have no recent depression history. Imagine the scandal if they took it off you when they had granted it know you had depression? Quote Link to post
adamthomas64 1 Posted July 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 i guess your right do youthink it could affect my f.a.c though Quote Link to post
Deker 3,478 Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Something smells strange here!!! Quote Link to post
RicW 67 Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 adamthomas64 said: hi all, ive been on here a few months now got my shot gun license and looking at applying for my firearms soon now to start with it will be at a target club with a 22lr because my feo told me he would not grant me a license for a first application if my reason is field shooting with no previous experience, which i can understand and to be honest could do with the range work anyway,but i am after some advice on different rifle calibers .22lr, 17hmr, 308 ect and what they would be used for, any other info muzzel velocities ect would be welcome too because the feo told me that before he will grant my license i have to show him knowledge on different calibers and muzzle velocities and what they would be used for, so i thought this would be a good place to ask thanks for reading guys. regards adam Two points here. First your FEO is talking crap. Let's see. Because you have no experience you can't have a licence. Without a licence you can't get get experience. BOLLOX. If you have a permission to use, say, 22rf on land cleared for the calibre then the FEO has no legal right to refuse. Any way it isn't his decision, it's down to the chief constable. Calibre-wise 22lr for rabbits and small pest species, 17HMR likewise plus pigeons and corvids ON THE GROUND. Make clear that you wouldn't even think about taking a shot at a bird in a tree with a rifle. There's more to it all than that but that should get you started. Forget .308 for now though. Go for rimmies then apply for a variation for a centrefire in a couple of years time. ATB, Ric PS I'm from Leicestershire originally! Quote Link to post
jamie g 17 Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 i would see if anyone round by you can take you out shooting. that way your get to pick up on things. and then when you go for centrefire you will have ore about you Quote Link to post
Mr_Logic 5 Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Agreed. Your FEO is being awkward for some reason. It may be that he is useless, inexperienced or just a jobsworth. Either way, you don't need prior experience to be granted a ticket. I would send your application in along with the land etc. Your FEO will still have to come out to talk to you. It's not hard to learn what you need though... Basically, remember that a rifle's not like shotgun - rifles, even 22RF, can send a bullet over 1000 yards without any real trouble, so you MUST NOT take a shot into the air or a tree. You MUST have a suitable backstop for all shots. in 99.9% of cases this is the ground, be it a nice earth bank, or just a flat field. (every so often you find a f***** huge tree, this will also do!) A bank is first prize - you can shoot the bullet safe in the knowledge that it has a lovely backstop. Often, you get a situation whereby you are on a flat field, and nothing protrudes to stop the bullet - i.e. only you shooting on a downwards angle makes the bullet enter the ground. in that situation, a ricochet is possible, so just make sure there is nothing for a long way that you don't want to be hit by a bullet! It's common sense - when you start out, start with the premise that "If I fire now, I will kill X, which I don't want to kill" Then go back in your mind from there and work out what that MUST be bollocks. When you've proven yourself wrong, it's probably a safe shot. Apply for rimfire - .22LR and .17HMR. Those two calibres in a nutshell: 22LR - Muzzle velocity around or just below 1100fps, the speed of sound. Fires a lead bullet with no copper jacket (which means the bullet looks like what it is - a lump of lead) with a very loopy trajectory. Good for bunny rabbits to 100 yards in the hands of the right shot (so tell your FEO 70 or so, so he knows you're being realistic). Can also take any winged vermin on the ground easily. Will stop hares and foxes too, but I wouldn't talk about them. NB. Has a very high ricochet risk due to slow, heavy bullet 17 HMR - Muzzle velocity c. 2500fps. Fires a lead bullet with copper jacket. The copper is required because 2500fps is too fast for soft lead on its own. Good out to 150 yards with ease (and no wind!), 200 yards can also be done. Excellent round for vermin, ground and winged. Bloody awful on foxes, but let's not have that debate again! minimal ricochet risk due to high velocity, light bullet breaking up on impact (give you some idea, I've seen them explode on a buttercup) Tbh, if your FEO expects you to know more than that, he's being a bit of a prick, unless your proposed ground is very small, in which case get some more land... Quote Link to post
adamthomas64 1 Posted July 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 thank for all the replies especially mr logic, top man couldnt ask for any better information, im working on memorising it all now, thanks again to everyone though, also as i mentioned earlier i suffered a bit of depression about 3 years ago, i was treated and am fine now i declared it on my sgc and my feo asked about it but it was never a problem, ive heard there a lot stricter on fac do you think this could cause me a problem? Quote Link to post
RicW 67 Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 adamthomas64 said: thank for all the replies especially mr logic, top man couldnt ask for any better information, im working on memorising it all now, thanks again to everyone though, also as i mentioned earlier i suffered a bit of depression about 3 years ago, i was treated and am fine now i declared it on my sgc and my feo asked about it but it was never a problem, ive heard there a lot stricter on fac do you think this could cause me a problem? They will probably ask you to give them written permission to contact your GP. Say yes, but meanwhile go to see him/her and get agreement that your depression was caused by your injury and has not recurred for three years. Ric Quote Link to post
adamthomas64 1 Posted July 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 i have done that although he agrees im fine they told me if the police write to them they will just simply send a copy of my medical reports with no opinion Quote Link to post
RicW 67 Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 adamthomas64 said: i have done that although he agrees im fine they told me if the police write to them they will just simply send a copy of my medical reports with no opinion Should be good enough. Ric Quote Link to post
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