Curious

[Dan Newcombe 58]

Out of curiosity

 

I have been wondering for some time about the mentality on this website. There seems to be a lot of 'bad ass' immature people knocking around with the pre requisite posturing and strutting.

 

I had a scan through here recently and tried to keep an open mind but i was basically amazed (in a bad way) how many immature morons that there are on here (not to put too finer point on it)

 

A couple of topics come to mind, the titles are not 100% accurate but this is the general theme

 

- Bad keeper, shot his dog -

 

That is illegal, you will loose you license if the authorities ever find out and the headlines will be scandalous and sensational. At the very least you should have taken it back once even if it has killed your hens. Putting replies like 'good lad, id do exactly the same' on this thread gives all sorts of ammunition to anyone reading it. If you were to shoot my dog for killing chickens i would be far from impressed and i would be having a word, both with you and the police because you are not grown up or level headed enough to use a gun. (sorry to pick this out specifically but it was right at the top of the pile)

 

- Have you ever been caught / beaten (something like that), Something about dogs being shot and anything to do with 'do you poach' -

 

Some people on this site seem to think that it is cool to be a poacher and that they are meerely taking what is 'rightfully' theirs. It isnt yours and you have no rights to it you wouldnt spend money on a gun if you had nowhere to use it so why have a dog? Its nice to keep dogs and work them but the fact is that if all you can do is poach then its a mugs game. If you get caught poaching its not cool to give them a kicking, self defence is ok but you should really take the 'fair cop, im very sorry' approach (as has been said on here before). I know that it goes on and will always go on but if you have to do it, please, keep it to yourselves no one cares and how many times do you need to be told, its illegal. If you go to the keeper and offer your services with chicks, release pens and other odd jobs then there will be a slow but sure gaining of trust and 9 / 10 times you will get the odd field to work. However this takes time and effort that these days people are unwilling to put in.

 

- Illegal quarry -

 

HOW MANY TMES DO YOU NEED TO BE TOLD its illegal to take deer, hares and foxes with dogs (barring terriers for game bird protection), its not big, clever or funny to be posting these pictures of a fox taken 'pre ban' or 'after it was shot' ITS ILLEGAL. Logging on here you are confronted with heaps of pictures that were taken 'pre ban' or with any other percieved loop holes but you can date a picture relatively easily and they can find out who you are on these forums. All you are doing is giving ammunition to the antis and until someone gets caught this wont stop (or it might make you feel more cool, who knows). These little disclaimers are no where near as clever as you might think they are and you arent 'getting one over' the authorities, you are bringing the whole sport into disrepute and attacting bad publicity. If you really feel the need to do it then just get on with it. You wont find people on here boasting about drug deals, they keep quiet about illegal activity, a lesson that would be well learned. Then there are the people asking / stating about 18 month old dogs 'doing everything' wink wink.

 

I am sorry about the rant but this has been getting on my nerves for some time now, there are a lot of genuine sportspeople on here who have a lot of experience over a number of years. You can tell who they are because they wont be putting up silly photos that could get them into trouble.

 

I know that its a ridiculous law and i know that its unworkable but i also know that the antis know this and thereofre they are working very hard to get some convictions under their belt to secure some precedence and make it more of an enforcable legislation. You are playing right into their hands

 

I hope this doesnt rub everyone up the wrong way and i hope that some people take heed and think before they post

 

 

Dan

[skycat 6,173]

Let's just hope that the 'immature' morons actually take the time to read this!

[The one 8,479]

A lot of keyboard warriors say stuff on a computer they wouldn't say to your face mate and it is summer time the folk seem to go a bit stir crazy till they can get out again

[woodchip 2]

[gnipper 6,472]

Dan although I don't agree with it its perfectly legal to shoot a dog which has broken into an enclosure and is worrying stock.

 

Also its completely illegal for a keeper to shoot at or assault you or damage your property, also they can't shoot your dog unless its actually in a pen killing birds.

 

I agree with you in a way with the point your making but your facts aren't correct.

Gnipper

[Matt 160]

Dan although I don't agree with it its perfectly legal to shoot a dog which has broken into an enclosure and is worrying stock.

 

Also its completely illegal for a keeper to shoot at or assault you or damage your property, also they can't shoot your dog unless its actually in a pen killing birds.

 

I agree with you in a way with the point your making but your facts aren't correct.

Gnipper

 

Wrong, I'm afraid.

 

It is only legal to shoot a dog as a last resort, while it is actually in the act of worrying livestock. You are right about game birds though. If they are penned, they are classified as livestock.

 

If the dog doing the worrying can be stopped by other means (catching it and tying it up for example) you ARE NOT allowed to shoot it.

[Born Hunter 17,763]

Dan although I don't agree with it its perfectly legal to shoot a dog which has broken into an enclosure and is worrying stock.

 

Also its completely illegal for a keeper to shoot at or assault you or damage your property, also they can't shoot your dog unless its actually in a pen killing birds.

 

I agree with you in a way with the point your making but your facts aren't correct.

Gnipper

 

Wrong, I'm afraid.

 

It is only legal to shoot a dog as a last resort, while it is actually in the act of worrying livestock. You are right about game birds though. If they are penned, they are classified as livestock.

 

If the dog doing the worrying can be stopped by other means (catching it and tying it up for example) you ARE NOT allowed to shoot it.

 

To be honest, i assumed it was in the process of killing his chickens when he shot it and therefore it was in the act, may be wrong. Also just from what he has said the impression i got was that the dog would be a fiesty f****r if tried to be caught, so shooting it may have been a last resort. Thats the point i tried to make on the thread, the situation is a tricky one and not one we can really judge unless we were there.

[Swampy 147]

Dan,

I agree with most of what you say, however with regard to the chicken v terrier thing, it is a tough call to make without knowing all the facts and personalities involved.

We've only heard one side of the story. It can hardly be described as impartial. I believe the post was designed to provoke/promote debate and as such has been successful.

We mustn't take some things too seriously and others we must.

 

Fair play for stating your views though. I doubt that the "morons" are able to read it all tho'. So it some respects it has fallen on deaf ears and in others you're leaning against an open door.

 

Rgds

 

Swampy

 

Ninging with cliches

[Dan Newcombe 58]

Thankyou for your views and the sensible outlook. Regarding the dog shooting, i agree that there are times when it is necessary

 

That was more of an aside to the other issues that i raised. But it is unlikely his FAC has a condition for shooting dogs and a shotgun in a hen coop, which will do more damage, the dog or the gun? The indication from the post is that he made no attempt to catch the dog because he only heard second hand that the dog was a bit feisty with people, he would have known himself either way if he had tried to grab it. THINK BEFORE YOU POST

 

edit from the thread

there is no need for insults i am not no poacher

if i had of known whos dog it was maybe i would not of done what i did but at the time that was that was the first thing i thought of eny way why did the keeper keep a dog like this .what i have found out about the dog being dangerous it is better off dead be fore it herts someone.

THIS IS NO WIND UP EITHER

 

what he did was totally illegal (not trying to pick you apart Swampy but the kid is digging his own grave)

 

If the police do not get involved i would say that this individual has been very lucky as there are plenty of dog owners with out of control animals that would be dragging every vegetarian, animal rights loon etc into the witch hunt

 

The general attitude to dogs on here seems to be a little bit loose (in many areas) shooting a dog is something that should not be taken lightly and even less discussed on a forum and having 5 pages of 'i would have..........' with most people ending up shooting the dog.

 

Like it or not we are under scrutiny everywhere and the internet isnt as anonymous as many think.

 

The statement that we have to select what we take seriously is a good point Swampy. We might take it with a pinch of salt but some people could easily use a lot of the stuff on here to do us a mischeif.

 

Im not trying to start an argument, more bring to light some things that i see as issues, even though i am fully involved in field sports.

 

Point taken about the leaning against open doors! I very much doubt that this will change what people do , preaching to the choir (in a very loose term im sure) rarely does any good.

Edited July 7, 2009 by Dan Newcombe

[badoosh 1]

Dan,your pissing in the wind mate.Morons is exactly what they are and don't know or appreciate when people are trying to help them.Being the big man is more important,had personal experience with w*****s off this site,emailing,PM'ing and phoning me threatening me with all sorts when all you do is try to point them in the right direction.Personally the shit didn't bother me,been threatened by bigger and harder ....That why i don't bother anymore,and let them all find out for themselves the errors of there ways,because if the shout loud enough someone will hear them maybe the wrong types,but someone will hear.....So fook'em all,mate

[Dan Newcombe 58]

I know what you are saying but id rather them not take everyone down with them!

 

And comments like 'wait for him to fill his pens then stick it in there' Makes you wonder where these people come from.

[Guest Scuba1]

I know what you are saying but id rather them not take everyone down with them!

 

And comments like 'wait for him to fill his pens then stick it in there' Makes you wonder where these people come from.

 

And that is where the real problem lies. Hell if they want to piss on the law, by all means, go ahead and keep it to yourself because if you don't, its the rest of us sitting in the same boat that get wet too because of them rocking it while most others are trying to keep the thing afloat.

 

ATB

 

Michael

[poacher3161 1,766]

I dare say that 90pct of lurcher owners on here have poached at sometime in their lives so all the rabbits belong to the land owner????????

[Matt 160]

I dare say that 90pct of lurcher owners on here have poached at sometime in their lives so all the rabbits belong to the land owner????????

 

Yes, all rabbits belong to the landowner.

 

What makes people think that everyone on here is a lurcher owner?

 

Hunting is about more than just running dogs.

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