just curious

[donnyc 1,203]

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[steviemann 5]

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[Cleanspade 3,322]

ive saw all the working breeds and there crosses. and yes they have very good noses. the ones ive seen have outshined the other terrier breeds. although there will be plummers with poor noses and other breeds with good noses.

 

the plummer is an exellent all round working terrier.

 

this is not based on heresay but on first hand experience.

[AMADORE 5]

What is the big hang up with Plummer owners about if they do real terrier work, they were never bred to do real terrier work, they were bred to go ratting with........if you want a rat dog then you could do worse than own a Plummer.

 

Whats the big deal with you lot, if you want an earth dog then get something that fits the bill from proven digging dogs, if you want a Plummer to go ratting with then own a Plummer........easy in it!!

 

 

IMO.

1 Plummer terriers are ridiculed thanks to DBP.being openly disrespectful for the past 20 years ..to those owners of other breeds.

2 The % of failed earth working Plummers would be the same as any other breed, of working terrier, if we looked at the statistics considering the numerical numbers of plummers 1000 since 1994 not a lot !..compared to all the other breeds.

3 I have owned, bred, entered and trained earth working plummer terriers both pre ban and "now" .some of my "now stock " work in ireland, where it is easier to find and work quarry but is actualy a harder enviroment to "please" the owner..so a harsher testing ground i do not work my dogs to ground anymore but have had to find ways to test them ....Some work here Stevieman had one earth worker and i reckon one not so good !

4 I reckon to have bred more Plummer terriers than anyone alive or even perhaps dead and have seen and worked more Plummers than anyone I have also bred more average types...and a lot of "so so" and some border line uesless.

5 Not all working terriers regardless of breed produce digging dogs ..I have been shown a picture in darcys book of two not so good digging terriers bred from digging dogs ...the picture was shown to me by the dogs breeder ( a pro keeper)who owns a none worker in his words!...which was not related to the those he showed me...so thats three he knows of.

6 Noses...my own Plummers do have good noses and they do find well.( I'm a pro keeper as well). but any terriers that are line bred to working stock should, produce a high % of diserable working qualities whetever those qualities are and whatever the breed is.

 

Proven digging dogs produce the same amount of "so so's " in any breed.

 

Most Plummer owners like Plummers because they like to be different whatever they say.. "I do" hence the breed is full of misfits like me !..but i like my traceable pedigrees of good all round working Plummers.

 

Id like to add like dbp said at lambourn lurcher show "if every terrier in england could kill a fox there would'nt be a fox left"..

"not so good?" Oh I'm just not interested anymore!

 

Steve hows Billy doing presumed that he was a little slower than charlie, but perhaps im wrong hows he working now?

As I said previously he's only seen about a dozen so can't tell yet. He's keen enough though.

 

Well like i said in the pm some lines are slower some dont ever make the grade...some go like rockets.

[stormyboy 1,352]

What is the big hang up with Plummer owners about if they do real terrier work, they were never bred to do real terrier work, they were bred to go ratting with........if you want a rat dog then you could do worse than own a Plummer.

 

Whats the big deal with you lot, if you want an earth dog then get something that fits the bill from proven digging dogs, if you want a Plummer to go ratting with then own a Plummer........easy in it!!

 

 

IMO.

1 Plummer terriers are ridiculed thanks to DBP.being openly disrespectful for the past 20 years ..to those owners of other breeds.

2 The % of failed earth working Plummers would be the same as any other breed, of working terrier, if we looked at the statistics considering the numerical numbers of plummers 1000 since 1994 not a lot !..compared to all the other breeds.

3 I have owned, bred, entered and trained earth working plummer terriers both pre ban and "now" .some of my "now stock " work in ireland, where it is easier to find and work quarry but is actualy a harder enviroment to "please" the owner..so a harsher testing ground i do not work my dogs to ground anymore but have had to find ways to test them ....Some work here Stevieman had one earth worker and i reckon one not so good !

4 I reckon to have bred more Plummer terriers than anyone alive or even perhaps dead and have seen and worked more Plummers than anyone I have also bred more average types...and a lot of "so so" and some border line uesless.

5 Not all working terriers regardless of breed produce digging dogs ..I have been shown a picture in darcys book of two not so good digging terriers bred from digging dogs ...the picture was shown to me by the dogs breeder ( a pro keeper)who owns a none worker in his words!...which was not related to the those he showed me...so thats three he knows of.

6 Noses...my own Plummers do have good noses and they do find well.( I'm a pro keeper as well). but any terriers that are line bred to working stock should, produce a high % of diserable working qualities whetever those qualities are and whatever the breed is.

 

Proven digging dogs produce the same amount of "so so's " in any breed.

 

Most Plummer owners like Plummers because they like to be different whatever they say.. "I do" hence the breed is full of misfits like me !..but i like my traceable pedigrees of good all round working Plummers.

 

Id like to add like dbp said at lambourn lurcher show "if every terrier in england could kill a fox there would'nt be a fox left"..

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