just curious

[matty73 4]

not trying to start an argument but a lad has been bending my ear about plummer terriers how good grafters they are not really convinced myself got to admit i have never seen plummer work but it all just seems like reinventing the wheel so to speak .ive seen borders, lakelands, russells, bedlingtons, fell types, patts and all manner of crosses of the already mentioned now this is the prickley part what has the plummer got to offer that these other breeds havent in your opinion but lets keep it civilised if this has been on before and caused trouble i apologise but am genuinely interested in what other peoples opinions may be. my own opinion is that theres nothing a good russell couldnt do as good as the plummer but like i say i havent seen plummer work so my opinion dont count for much

[stormyboy 1,352]

you just started an argument - you wait and see!!!! :headshot::

[Guest rodsmith]

you just started an argument - you wait and see!!!! :headshot::

 

 

: :clapping:

[matty73 4]

im sure flatcap is the local authority on these plummers,

 

but maybe its just he is kennel blind..................

 

so nobody can tell me anything the plummer can do that other terriers cant not really a suprise just reinventing the wheel

[Keeps 403]

They are a terrier the same as any other type of terrier, some people like them, some don't - just as other people have particular preferences for other types of terrier. A lot of people judge them just because their name and their dislike for the man who created the breed and because of this they disregard & ridicule the dogs and those who post about them. If you take time to see them hunt you might just change your mind; a lot of the people who have so much to say about them have never even seen one work.

 

I happen to like them, I hate all the politics that go with them, and all the negativity, especially on this forum, but if you're prepared to put up with that you will find that they are a cracking little terrier. They have a great nose and plenty of drive. I grew up with russells all my life, but since keeping plummers I wouldnt go back to only russells, not that I don't like russells, cos I do, and I still have one

 

I wouldn't say that as a terrier they can do anything that other terriers can't - they do what is expected of them as a terrier, as you would expect of any terrier, and as with all breeds and types of terriers, there are good ones and there are bad ones.

 

Why would you expect them to do something that other terriers can't Matty73 - would you expect that of any other type of terrier, if they work as a terrier should, surely thats all that's required? They are a strain of a few different well-known breeds, if you like, but why would you expect them to do what other terriers can't?

 

One of mine, a pup I bred, now 18 months old

 

 

[rickyspringer 15]

Cracking looking dog mate, I've always fancied a plummer, and above has got it down to a tea, there is good and bad in every breed out there, if the dog can do what its supposed to do to a good stadard thats good enough for me, I wouldn't be arse if its a JRT,Lakie,Patt,Plummer all can do a terriers job and do it well, its preference mate

[matty73 4]

Why would you expect them to do something that other terriers can't Matty73 -

 

i wouldnt like i say this lad bends my ear about them like they are the dogs bollocks (pardon the pun )but when i look at them i just see a type of russel like i said earlier its not my intention to start argument or p#ss anyone off just trying to understand the reasons for its popularity like the patterdale became popular in my opinion because they mentally strong and forgiving to mistakes during training its also easier and quicker to enter compared to some other breeds .im just interested in peoples opinions of what they think makes plummers stand out for them

[stormyboy 1,352]

personal preference . one mans meat and all that. one thing that does stand out-i have yet to see a terrier with a better nose. :search:

[TonyT 1,426]

They are a terrier the same as any other type of terrier, some people like them, some don't - just as other people have particular preferences for other types of terrier. A lot of people judge them just because their name and their dislike for the man who created the breed and because of this they disregard & ridicule the dogs and those who post about them. If you take time to see them hunt you might just change your mind; a lot of the people who have so much to say about them have never even seen one work.

 

I happen to like them, I hate all the politics that go with them, and all the negativity, especially on this forum, but if you're prepared to put up with that you will find that they are a cracking little terrier. They have a great nose and plenty of drive. I grew up with russells all my life, but since keeping plummers I wouldnt go back to only russells, not that I don't like russells, cos I do, and I still have one

 

I wouldn't say that as a terrier they can do anything that other terriers can't - they do what is expected of them as a terrier, as you would expect of any terrier, and as with all breeds and types of terriers, there are good ones and there are bad ones.

 

Why would you expect them to do something that other terriers can't Matty73 - would you expect that of any other type of terrier, if they work as a terrier should, surely thats all that's required? They are a strain of a few different well-known breeds, if you like, but why would you expect them to do what other terriers can't?

 

One of mine, a pup I bred, now 18 months old

 

 

[TonyT 1,426]

They are a terrier the same as any other type of terrier, some people like them, some don't - just as other people have particular preferences for other types of terrier. A lot of people judge them just because their name and their dislike for the man who created the breed and because of this they disregard & ridicule the dogs and those who post about them. If you take time to see them hunt you might just change your mind; a lot of the people who have so much to say about them have never even seen one work.

 

I happen to like them, I hate all the politics that go with them, and all the negativity, especially on this forum, but if you're prepared to put up with that you will find that they are a cracking little terrier. They have a great nose and plenty of drive. I grew up with russells all my life, but since keeping plummers I wouldnt go back to only russells, not that I don't like russells, cos I do, and I still have one

 

I wouldn't say that as a terrier they can do anything that other terriers can't - they do what is expected of them as a terrier, as you would expect of any terrier, and as with all breeds and types of terriers, there are good ones and there are bad ones.

 

Why would you expect them to do something that other terriers can't Matty73 - would you expect that of any other type of terrier, if they work as a terrier should, surely thats all that's required? They are a strain of a few different well-known breeds, if you like, but why would you expect them to do what other terriers can't?

 

One of mine, a pup I bred, now 18 months old

 

 

Very diplomatic Keeps

 

 

[Hepher 86]

personal preference . one mans meat and all that. one thing that does stand out-i have yet to see a terrier with a better nose. :search:

 

YET TO SEE A TERRIER WITH A BETTER NOSE????? MAYBE YOU AIN'T SEEN THAT MANY TERRIERS??

[dumbo 0]

personal preference . one mans meat and all that. one thing that does stand out-i have yet to see a terrier with a better nose. :search:

 

YET TO SEE A TERRIER WITH A BETTER NOSE????? MAYBE YOU AIN'T SEEN THAT MANY TERRIERS??

 

And maybe he has.....

 

This is the thing that also stands out for me too. Some but not all plummers are very houndy in their approach to hunting. Some of the dogs are more houndy in appearance as well. I have a male plummer here that for me has an outstanding nose. The best i have seen on a terrier, and anybody who witnesses it says how good it is. I had the chance to run him on a hunt with a pack of harriers the other week on a stretch of river. I was a bit apprehensive at first but he didn't disappoint and the hunt were pleasantly surprised at how good a nose he has for a terrier.

 

What keeps is saying above is spot on. I can't see why there is all this reinventing the wheel talk. Why would anyone want to reinvent something that doesn't need changing. There are subtle differences and thats about it. As for just a jack russell - again it is important not to generalise. Some plummers are very russell like others not so. There is still a difference in type.

[Hepher 86]

I DUNNO HOW YOU CAN SAY THAT THE PLUMMER HAS A SUPERIOUR NOSE TO ALL OTHER TERRIERS, IS A PLUMMERS WORK NOT PRIMARILY ON TOP?WE'VE HEARD OF THE FEW THAT WORK BELOW AND IT IS A FEW, I HAVE TERRIERS WHO CAN FIND ANYTHING ON TOP AND IN THE BIGGEST PLACES BELOW GROUND, AND HOW 1 DOG CAN BE SINGLED OUT FROM WITHIN A PACK OF HOUNDS TO PLEASE THE HUNT? I RECKON YOUR'E JUST FULL OF WAFFLE. I'VE WORKED MY TERRIERS ALONGSIDE HOUNDS, I RUN MY DOGS ON RIVER BANKS AND THEY GET THEIR SHARE OF MINK AND RATS, THEY MARK WELL AND HAVEN'T LET ME DOWN, BUT THEN IT'S ALL ABOUT TRUST IN YOUR DOG AS WELL. JUST BECAUSE PLUMMERS HAVE HOUND BLOOD IN THEM DOES'NT MEAN THEY'LL HAVE A BETTER NOSE THAN OTHER TERRIERS. IMO IF YOU WANT A RATTING DOG GET A PLUMMER THAT'S WHHAT THEY WERE BRED FOR, IF YA WANT A DIGGING DOG GO FOR 1 OF THE BREEDS THAT ARE BRED FOR THAT PURPOSE, BUT A DIGGING DOG WILL KILL RATS AS WELL. IF PLUMMERS WERE SUCH A GREAT ALLROUND TERRIER WE WOULD SEE MANY MORE OF THEM BEING USED AS DIGGING DOGS AND BY HUNTS FOR TERRIERWORK. I'M NOT SAYING THAT THERE IS NO PLUMMERS THAT GO TO GROUND AND STAY UNTIL DUG TO BUT THEY ARE A BIT LIKE ROCKING HORSE SHIT.

[matty73 4]

personal preference . one mans meat and all that. one thing that does stand out-i have yet to see a terrier with a better nose. :search:

 

YET TO SEE A TERRIER WITH A BETTER NOSE????? MAYBE YOU AIN'T SEEN THAT MANY TERRIERS??

 

And maybe he has.....

 

This is the thing that also stands out for me too. Some but not all plummers are very houndy in their approach to hunting. Some of the dogs are more houndy in appearance as well. I have a male plummer here that for me has an outstanding nose. The best i have seen on a terrier, and anybody who witnesses it says how good it is. I had the chance to run him on a hunt with a pack of harriers the other week on a stretch of river. I was a bit apprehensive at first but he didn't disappoint and the hunt were pleasantly surprised at how good a nose he has for a terrier.

 

What keeps is saying above is spot on. I can't see why there is all this reinventing the wheel talk. Why would anyone want to reinvent something that doesn't need changing. There are subtle differences and thats about it. As for just a jack russell - again it is important not to generalise. Some plummers are very russell like others not so. There is still a difference in type.

you just said it why would anyone want to reinvent something that doesnt need changing this is one of the questions im trying to get answers to what was brian plummer thinking that the russel needed he must of thought it was lacking in some way otherwise he wouldnt have tried to improve on it whether or not he actually succeeded only he will know i suppose .but using beagle in the breeding i think could have been to improve nose what else could beagle blood bring to the breed thats not already there .as for not generaliseing there is a lot of difference in type in russells across the breed like i keep stating this is not a dig at plummers

[dumbo 0]

there seems to be a serious problem on this forum with people not reading what is being said. No one said the plummer has a superior nose to ALL other terriers. All i think is being said is that GENERALLY the nose is very good. Generally being quite a significant word here.

 

I ran my dog on a small mink hunt on a nice quiet trout stream that we waded down, so yes it was intimate enough to see how my boy worked, I am not blind nor am i full of waffle. You obviously were there on the day!

 

Again who said just because plummers have hound blood in them they will have a better nose than other terriers? All I was saying is that in some cases the hound blood really does show imo.

 

Plummers were bred for ratting originally but like anything they evolve too. I think they are an excellent above ground all round dog, there are earthworkers too. So yes a digging dog will work below and catch rats too and yes a plummer will rat and work below too. Wouldn't be fair to suggest they wont work below anymore than it would be to say a digging dog wont catch rats. A bit nonsensical to me.

 

Can i ask why you would see more of the plummer being used? I seriously doubt it especially on this forum. Whilst the breed is treated with this kind of contempt why would anybody wish to want to prove anything to the likes of folk who can't even have a conversation without allowing themselves to get abusive.