alaunts

[Mickey Finn 3,004]

it's wikipedia any damn fool can write any damn fool thing they want (maybe not as bad as before but still a LOT of shite on there)

the only alaunts I know of in the USA are the "american alaunts" created by Donald Stocks for personal protection dogs.

a bull type dog is useful in bear hunting if you actually want to catch the bear. most people run the bears similar to organized fox hunts and use soft dogs because they don't want to shell out for vet bills. bear doggers that prefer to catch use bull blooded hounds & curs or airedales in their packs because the harder dogs will actually stop the bear from running/walking and either force a fight on the ground or force it to tree to avoid the fight. a fair few old timers used bulldogs to actually catch the bear the same way as boar. read some of theodore roosevelt's writings. one of the guides he hunted w/ in the rocky mountains used a pure bulldog & a bullXhound in his pack and the pack CAUGHT the bears & mt lions for roosevelt to take w/ a knife. this technique was surprisingly common in the southern states prior to the war of northern aggression. obviously there is a lot of turn over in the dogs before a really good one comes along. as the opportunity allows i intend to pursue this technique myself using curs, dales, bull&mastiff breeds and bullXs of various kinds

my old catahoulaXamerican bulldog caught a large sow bear by the cheek and dragged her around a bit before she got loose and went straight up a tree. had the hounds been catchy instead of runners she would have never got up the tree. so i know it can be done.

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i think the alaunts of the UK would bring something to the table same as the pitXgreys used on hogs give you something most straight bulldogs don't. the sighthoud gives them more leg & may help w/ the wind. OTH most bulldogs here aren't run nearly enough to get them good wind. if properly conditioned a good standard AB would be about equal to the alaunt. but the alaunt would be hands down superior to any pug faced bulldog to include boxers. i wouldn't put down the kind of money they are getting over there for them and then the expense of getting them over here. it wouldn't be worth it knowing full well the short life expectancy of bull & mastiff breeds on big cats & bears. but i wouldn't hesitate to emulate the mix from the same or similar breeds here.

 

Hi Pops, not sure where you hunt your bears. But here in Michgan. They either tree like I guess the sow you speak of had in mind. Or, they fight on the ground. Usually the bigger bears. For these, it would take a hell of a dog to hold on. I'll travel where-ever to see it. Also, I never heard plott hounds called soft. I'll grant you walkers though.

 

Good luck this season!

[Pops 19]

the fellas round here run the bears like fox hunters run fox. it goes all day and doesn't often end w/ a catch. we get plenty of adolescents & older bears that walk, but only a few that really stand to on the ground. if a bear is walking it's because the dogs aren't biting him hard enough to get his attention. they're good jump dogs & run a track well but they just don't stop alot of bears no matter how many dogs get turned in. they could put more up the tree if they used rougher dogs like plott curs & black mouths or putting a touch of bull in a few pack hounds (the old timers who still do it reccommend at least 1/16 but no more than 1/4) but they don't like spending more in vet bills than they did on the dog.

that sow was making short runs then slapping the hounds around when she stopped. she was also pushing an older cub in front of her. i got there late and turned in on the run. we got in front of the race as she broke into the open. the hounds (mostly walkers & plott HOUNDS) were nipping and pulling hair but not really biting down. got to see my bullXcur break the tree line and catch up as she stopped to fight. he hit her so hard it took her off her feet. he had her by the left side of her face. for 5-10 seconds he kept her off her feet by yanking her down every time she tried to get up. she finally got up & w/ him hanging off her she started climbing a big longleaf pine. about 15 feet up she stopped and pushed him off and put two big gashes in his right shoulder. then she went up the tree some more and sat on a branch. i'll have to see if i can find the pics i took of her up the tree. not very good though as they were taken w/ a cheap 35mm. at NO TIME while she was caught did any of the other dogs do any more than pull fur and jump back from a bear that couldn't touch them. had they caught like rough dogs will she couldn't have got up the tree or got my boy off her. it was all for the best though as she got to raise her cub & who knows how many more.

when i've got more time & resources i want to run a pack of mixed curs & bullX and compare my catch rate to these guys. i already know i'll lose more dogs.

[TOPPER 1,809]

well for all the wannabe heros that think there world experts on the alaunts , ive got 3 here scarlet , bo , and taz and for the record there all differnt scarlet is a slugger top speed about 20 mph with good prey drive Bo on the other hand is fast and puts many bull xs to shame she will run alongside the truck at 40 mph and will anilate anything she does foxes for fun will pull deer of any sort and do wild boar she tips the scales at 94 lbs and stands 24 in tts , the big lump Taz stands 28 in tts and has now found his feet and will run all day at 40 mph but he has no overdrive like bo ,hes now done boar and bambies by accident ! but has only done 1 fox as hes a bit slow on the turn but as dogs go i always ran bull xs but the alaunts suit me well and i wouldn t go back in any hurry , it horses for coureses everyone to there own but dont slag the alaunts untill youve tried them you may be surprised !!!

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any pics of these topper?

[bud9 79]

i think alot of people would get a surprise seeing some alaunts running

[TOPPER 1,809]

ive never been into taking pic but there are some old one s on here of bo and taz on one of scotsmans thread s , but the dogs are older more mature and fitter now than when the pic were taken ill see if the kids can do some for you

[craigyboy 1,274]

ive never been into taking pic but there are some old one s on here of bo and taz on one of scotsmans thread s , but the dogs are older more mature and fitter now than when the pic were taken ill see if the kids can do some for you

do that mate,il like to see some and it might quiten some doubters

[franny958 0]

i just weight my alaunt and she is 84lb

 

thats the same as my greyhound pup iv got here just now thats just truned 15 months old

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truck at 40 mph and will anilate anything she does foxes for fun will pull deer of any sort and do wild boar she tips the scales at 94 lbs and stands 24 in tts , t

 

thats very heavy for a dog that size, my bullx is 25 and about 62lbs. your a daydreamer

[TOPPER 1,809]

me iam no daydreamer iam out there doing it not like you little boys computer hunting

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then your dog must be grossily overweight

[chimp 299]

flirt pole , now thats something i havent seen used for a long time

 

that black one is a nice one , the rest just 'look' overweight , my money would be on a bullx

[bud9 79]

nice dogs thare topper

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there is no form or regularity to these dogs. they would never be recognised as a breed.

wheresas bullx through to a stamp based on the bull imho.

[Chanuk 7]

Lynx on the flirt pole yesterday.

Looking good Topper.