A Question Of Breeding

[Mars 42]

Having seen many different crosses for sale, and topics on planned matings, one very frequent question is what bloodlines are they, and the question is almost always aimed at the non sighthound part of the mix.

I.E. In my own case i was asked what lines of Bull are in my Bull X bitch..

and i`ve seen what lines of Bedlington & what lines of Wheaton, asked.????

 

I cant ever remember seeing anyone one Ask, What lines of Greyhound was used, was it a sprint specialist,? was it a distance runner,?

I guess what i`me asking is,??? Is the breeding of the sighthound/Greyhound important in the make up of a lurcher or not,???

 

Yis Mars..

[Oldand 5]

Having seen many different crosses for sale, and topics on planned matings, one very frequent question is what bloodlines are they, and the question is almost always aimed at the non sighthound part of the mix.

I.E. In my own case i was asked what lines of Bull are in my Bull X bitch..

and i`ve seen what lines of Bedlington & what lines of Wheaton, asked.????

 

I cant ever remember seeing anyone one Ask, What lines of Greyhound was used, was it a sprint specialist,? was it a distance runner,?

I guess what i`me asking is,??? Is the breeding of the sighthound/Greyhound important in the make up of a lurcher or not,???

 

Yis Mars..

 

I THINK SO!

our line was from an open raced bitch, a result of STAPLERS JOE X WITCHES HOPE, sprint and stayer,retired from 'top' class racing approx 4yrs since, took too working, retrieves, has accounted for a 'fair' ammount of game, ( some big stuff ) and bred us some, crackin workers to a bedlington and a bedlington x whippet.

[Bosun11 537]

I did vote no because as far as i'm concerned any track or coursing greyhound will fit the bill to make up a serviceable lurcher BUT yes, I will go on to say that better bred dogs will produce better offspring though, in the huge greyhound gene pool many top dogs have come from much lesser parents. What would be hugely important for me is bone, especially feet. I would always go for a greyhound that has good feet, particularly if they are intact after a full working (racing, coursing, field) life.

The example I would use is one of the more recent Waterloo Cup winners (can't remember the year or dog) that went on to win with just about every toe smashed. I'm sure others on here will know it. Now I asks ya, would YOU breed from this 'champion' knowing full well the possibilitys of permanant foot damage from a dog getting toes broke on fields like The Withens and Lydiate?

Breed a dog that you would expect to run in almost any conditions over almost all types of field, over a long and hopefully illustrious life?

Give me the scabby arsed 'wedge head' down the street, thats 'bad' with just about everything, ran on 'flappers' for years and the odd day on a field too, he has all its digits in working order, feet like a fecking Rhino

 

[WILF 47,354]

Allways like reading your replys Bosun, they allways make a lot of sense...........nice one.

[Bosun11 537]

Cheers Wilf, my question would be, why use the greyhound at all... How much of a gamble would that be?

 

Why not look to the dogs that have been bred 'best to best' for over 40 years..... MATCH DOGS!

 

Dogs that kill quarry on a regular basis week in week out, well tested in the field, all the speed, heart, staminer and bone you would ever need for lurcher production and if your worried about that 'aloof' saluki brain, enough lines are far removed from that first cross mating.

 

Just sight hounds, with all of the greyhound attributes but none of the greyhound defects.

[Wild_and_Irish 11]

Its not hard to find a decent racing greyhound, once they are old enough you could pick a good dog up for free, my pup was bred from a bitch that had been given to a dogman in exchange for pick of the litter, she had won a few trophies in her time at Lifford nd he was working her. So I suppose its more reassuring to know where the greyhound comes from and what it did.

[tod 3]

Cheers Wilf, my question would be, why use the greyhound at all... How much of a gamble would that be?

 

Why not look to the dogs that have been bred 'best to best' for over 40 years..... MATCH DOGS!

 

Dogs that kill quarry on a regular basis week in week out, well tested in the field, all the speed, heart, staminer and bone you would ever need for lurcher production and if your worried about that 'aloof' saluki brain, enough lines are far removed from that first cross mating.

 

Just sight hounds, with all of the greyhound attributes but none of the greyhound defects.

 

i know what your saying bosun but would having saluki in your dogs lines improve it apart from stamina wise i dont think so but thats jmho.

 

putting the bull to the greyhound will strengthen bone and feet but as you say it would be better to use the greyhound with good strong feet if you can find one lol

[bird 9,969]

Cheers Wilf, my question would be, why use the greyhound at all... How much of a gamble would that be?

 

Why not look to the dogs that have been bred 'best to best' for over 40 years..... MATCH DOGS!

 

Dogs that kill quarry on a regular basis week in week out, well tested in the field, all the speed, heart, staminer and bone you would ever need for lurcher production and if your worried about that 'aloof' saluki brain, enough lines are far removed from that first cross mating.

 

Just sight hounds, with all of the greyhound attributes but none of the greyhound defects.

 

 

Spot on, put a good colliex grey over one of them type's and what a cracker you would have [good feet,Stamina,Agilty,brain,] thats the way to go, catch what ever you want in the UK.

 

 

 

[Oldand 5]

Cheers Wilf, my question would be, why use the greyhound at all... How much of a gamble would that be?

 

Why not look to the dogs that have been bred 'best to best' for over 40 years..... MATCH DOGS!

 

Dogs that kill quarry on a regular basis week in week out, well tested in the field, all the speed, heart, staminer and bone you would ever need for lurcher production and if your worried about that 'aloof' saluki brain, enough lines are far removed from that first cross mating.

 

Just sight hounds, with all of the greyhound attributes but none of the greyhound defects.

 

bos

i hear what you say, but, the question was about 'greyhounds' not 'match' dogs-- 'some' greyhounds have probs with toes, feet, wrist's etc, but mating them to, beddys, collies,salukies, wheaton, whipp, kerrys, etc surely goes a long way toward 'mending' that, due to the 'hybrid' vigour, one of our brood bitches is an ex open racer, mated to beddy's/whippets/and beddyxwhip, and we have never ( touch wood ) had any probs with feet injuries

[poacher3161 1,766]

A well bred grew is imo a better prospect than a greyhound to put speed into a lurcher.The smaller greyhounds tend to be less injury prone just going on exspeiriance.atb

[Wolly 4]

Cheers Wilf, my question would be, why use the greyhound at all... How much of a gamble would that be?

 

Why not look to the dogs that have been bred 'best to best' for over 40 years..... MATCH DOGS!

 

Dogs that kill quarry on a regular basis week in week out, well tested in the field, all the speed, heart, staminer and bone you would ever need for lurcher production and if your worried about that 'aloof' saluki brain, enough lines are far removed from that first cross mating.

 

Just sight hounds, with all of the greyhound attributes but none of the greyhound defects.

what if someone wanted to start there own strain off Dog

[timmy k 591]

most greyhounds are fast enough for lurcher breeding but not all would be game enough or determined enough for my liking, i like to see a greyhound for lurcher breeding doing a bit on big stuff if ya know what i mean.

[Bosun11 537]

Oldand your right, the post was/is about Greyhounds, look to my first post on here for that I just went off on a bit of a tangent as the longer I'm in this game, the more I see Greyhound blindness for a baseline when breeding lurchers and IMO it doesn't have to be so.

 

Your dead right, most purebreds when crossed with the Greyhound mend foot and other related problems, Tod mentioned it earlier with Bulls and i'm glad you don't have any foot problems in your dogs.

 

Like I said, have a look at my first post, if I were gonna use a greyhound, what it had won on the track wouldn't mean shit to me, as long as it had a long working life and all its digets were intact, that way i'm doubling my chances.

[Bosun11 537]

Cheers Wilf, my question would be, why use the greyhound at all... How much of a gamble would that be?

 

Why not look to the dogs that have been bred 'best to best' for over 40 years..... MATCH DOGS!

 

Dogs that kill quarry on a regular basis week in week out, well tested in the field, all the speed, heart, staminer and bone you would ever need for lurcher production and if your worried about that 'aloof' saluki brain, enough lines are far removed from that first cross mating.

 

Just sight hounds, with all of the greyhound attributes but none of the greyhound defects.

what if someone wanted to start there own strain off Dog

 

Don't worry, Plummers dead...

[Guest joe ox]

most greyhounds are fast enough for lurcher breeding but not all would be game enough or determined enough for my liking, i like to see a greyhound for lurcher breeding doing a bit on big stuff if ya know what i mean.

 

The above is the most sensible post on this topic, far to many greyhounds that are used to produce lurchers have not had there gameness tested. I think its safe to assume that the greyhound is fast enough but not all are game enough IMO for this reason I vote no.