barn rat baiting

[ellir0305 9]

ok pesties,

 

i farmer mate of mine has noticed a small amount of rats fequenting his grain shed

 

its only a small shed say 25-30 yrd square with about 20-30 rats scarpering when you go in.

 

anyway the main point of this is he wants to bait the shed using bait stations and difenacoum cut wheat bait (which has proven successful at other places on the farm and is easy to get from his point of view) so how many bait stations should he be using for this kind of size area and problem? and how often should the baitstations be checked along with the search for dead rodents?

 

thank you in advance

 

rob

[stubby 175]

I personnaly wouldent use bait staions/poison, its a grain shed, therefore the rats are feeding there, yet he wants to introduce a new object/s which the rats will steer clear off, and then expect them to eat the poison, rather than the grain

Id spot the entry/exit points, and use mk4 fenns with tunnels

[ellir0305 9]

I personnaly wouldent use bait staions/poison, its a grain shed, therefore the rats are feeding there, yet he wants to introduce a new object/s which the rats will steer clear off, and then expect them to eat the poison, rather than the grain

Id spot the entry/exit points, and use mk4 fenns with tunnels

 

i dont understand the new objects thing? what do you mean by that?

 

and the main problem is the shed does not have solid doors they are the heavy plastic netting type curtains which the rats just push under.

[stubby 175]

rats suffer from a fear of new objects in their enviroment, its called NEOPHOBIA, which can stop them from entering bait stations for the first 10 to 14 days, so apart from having to wait approx two weeks before any baiting may work, a lot of non pestie types would check the bait stations within a day or two, and wonder why there's no takes

 

although introducing a fenn mk4 could be classed as introducing a new object/s into the rats surroundings, I still think it would get better results, although more time consuming, maybe you could offer to help, shooting with air rifle can be fun, or smoking them out

 

also you say he's using bait in other areas, with success, yet he still has rats, he's not got cow feed there has he?

I ask as cow feed (pellets) contain vitamin K1, which is an antidoate for poison,

[ellir0305 9]

rats suffer from a fear of new objects in their enviroment, its called NEOPHOBIA, which can stop them from entering bait stations for the first 10 to 14 days, so apart from having to wait approx two weeks before any baiting may work, a lot of non pestie types would check the bait stations within a day or two, and wonder why there's no takes

 

although introducing a fenn mk4 could be classed as introducing a new object/s into the rats surroundings, I still think it would get better results, although more time consuming, maybe you could offer to help, shooting with air rifle can be fun, or smoking them out

 

also you say he's using bait in other areas, with success, yet he still has rats, he's not got cow feed there has he?

I ask as cow feed (pellets) contain vitamin K1, which is an antidoate for poison,

 

no he hasnt, this is on the opposite side of the farm to where the other bait was used. the problem with the fenn idea is the type of doors, well they are curtains as i already said so there are no obvious entry points so the only place i could trap is along the wall so i didnt think you could have too many traps along a wall

 

thanks so far very informative

[trapperman 474]

i find that if there is other food availible to rodents i get a better take with the gel type baits pasta or peanut oils theres lots of different types availible

is there a water supply for them he could try liquid bait stations, but as stubby said it can take a couple of weeks two start getting a good take

[trapperman 474]

sorry forgot to say that for spacing of bait points i put them about 10-15 metres apart outside and inside it would depend on what is in the shed roomwise i mean but maybe a little closer if possible where most of the signs are

[ellir0305 9]

sorry forgot to say that for spacing of bait points i put them about 10-15 metres apart outside and inside it would depend on what is in the shed roomwise i mean but maybe a little closer if possible where most of the signs are

 

 

do you have to have training to use poison on permissions? and if so wheres the best place to get it/how much is it?

 

thanks guys

[trapperman 474]

sorry forgot to say that for spacing of bait points i put them about 10-15 metres apart outside and inside it would depend on what is in the shed roomwise i mean but maybe a little closer if possible where most of the signs are

 

 

do you have to have training to use poison on permissions? and if so wheres the best place to get it/how much is it?

 

thanks guys

i suppose it depends on wether you are getting paid as its then not just your own domestic use.

i did my course on safe use of rodenticides when i was i keeper which was over 15 years ago (i must do a refresher soon) but essex and kilgerm do day courses for about -100 quid i think.

but remember if you start doing it for pay even when your qualified you should have insurance too.

[ellir0305 9]

sorry forgot to say that for spacing of bait points i put them about 10-15 metres apart outside and inside it would depend on what is in the shed roomwise i mean but maybe a little closer if possible where most of the signs are

 

 

do you have to have training to use poison on permissions? and if so wheres the best place to get it/how much is it?

 

thanks guys

i suppose it depends on wether you are getting paid as its then not just your own domestic use.

i did my course on safe use of rodenticides when i was i keeper which was over 15 years ago (i must do a refresher soon) but essex and kilgerm do day courses for about -100 quid i think.

but remember if you start doing it for pay even when your qualified you should have insurance too.

 

ok i am a killgerm customer a i have looked into their courses, i might lookfurther once i have forked out for my shotgun certificate etc. is that public liability insurance?

[trapperman 474]

sorry forgot to say that for spacing of bait points i put them about 10-15 metres apart outside and inside it would depend on what is in the shed roomwise i mean but maybe a little closer if possible where most of the signs are

 

 

do you have to have training to use poison on permissions? and if so wheres the best place to get it/how much is it?

 

thanks guys

i suppose it depends on wether you are getting paid as its then not just your own domestic use.

i did my course on safe use of rodenticides when i was i keeper which was over 15 years ago (i must do a refresher soon) but essex and kilgerm do day courses for about -100 quid i think.

but remember if you start doing it for pay even when your qualified you should have insurance too.

 

ok i am a killgerm customer a i have looked into their courses, i might lookfurther once i have forked out for my shotgun certificate etc. is that public liability insurance?

i think if you want to go into pest control you are better off getting insurance specificly for that i`m with a company called cliverton which covers me for everything including the use of Aluminium phosphide, shotguns, rifles and airguns, basic public liability wont do this.

[IanB 0]

The easiest thing to do is to isolate their existing food supply, but its not alway easy ..Then poison... Or just try some traps... Bodygrips or Fenns

[MR TEA POT 1,287]

I am sorting some rats out in a similer situation at the mo,i started out shooting them with a airifle,then when they wised up to that(they are not daft)i put a bodygrip in a mesh tunnal on every beam in the barn and up againest the walls,so any rat wanting the corn will have to go through a trap to get to the wheat they was after.

[ellir0305 9]

I am sorting some rats out in a similer situation at the mo,i started out shooting them with a airifle,then when they wised up to that(they are not daft)i put a bodygrip in a mesh tunnal on every beam in the barn and up againest the walls,so any rat wanting the corn will have to go through a trap to get to the wheat they was after.

as the do not need to run across beams but rats like to run along walls i figured tunnels with mk4 fenns could do the trick? or maybe a pro victor set across in a brick arrangment like a ratbox