scottish air gun ban!

[ROB.BOB 21]

i'm sure some of you will have heard about this new (forgotten the first part of the name) commission, which is westminster handing some powers over to the scottish government, amoungst these is air gun laws.

the scottish government has purposed to ban airguns, i'm not sure to what extent, but either way, its not good.

 

as responsible air gun users i feel that we need to start a potation against this proposal.

 

preferably someone computer literate and who could post it on a number of shooting forums

 

to borrow a quote from another member ''they'le have to ply mine from my cold dead hands''

 

cheers

 

rob

Edited June 15, 2009 by ROB.BOB

[SEAN3513 7]

''they'le have to ply mine from my cold dead hands''

 

is the kind of attitude that has probably brought the ban to the fore.

 

sorry mate obviously not having a go at you..........but they cannot easily ban airguns imo......because theres millions of em out there and they dont know how many and where.......so it cannot be easily applied.

 

the solution, again imo....would be to bring in a form of relaxed FAC........that only covers sub 12 ft/lb air guns.

 

anyone with permission, insurance and a legal gun would get one.........so, no problem as far as i can see.

 

anyone caught with an airgun without a certificate will be dealt with accordingly.

 

the law says you cannot have a shot gun /rifle without a certificate......fair enough, would you happily posess one without......no !!! ( i hope)......so it would just be the same with your air rifle.

 

i see some form of licencing as a good thing...........get rid of the idiots that spoil it for the majority, wouldn't you agree????

 

bring it on

 

regards

 

sean

[RaiderBoy 19]

well its going to happen everywere eventually mate it just sounds like scotlands going to be first

[Guest air gunner]

Still a petition would be ideal if not for removing any form of air gun ban but to bring in a "relaxed FAC." This would be ideal as people who give the sport a bad name would be out of the equation. How would one go about setting up a petition i could post it on pigeon watch etc. IM not very computer literate. but if we can get all the people who are on each forum and shooting friends who are not there would be a fair few people to reckon with. HELP!

[yeeharr 41]

Licensing isn't the answer and it'll be the beginning of the end for shooting. Airguns are the first experience of shooting sports for a lot of people because they haven't got to do anything to obtain one. If you add to the expense of getting an airgun the cost of a cabinet and a license fee then it will be prohibitive for a lot of people. Secondly there are a lot of people who, for no fault of there own can't get a license. It may be that these people live in properties where their landlord won't allow the fitting of a cabinet or that they've had a messy divorce and they've been deemed to be unsuitable to possess a firearm due to false accusations levelled at them. A lot of people aren't club members and don't have any permission yet still enjoy airguns in their back gardens. You can go and buy an airgun for under £100 add to that another £150ish for a license and cabinet and a lot of people won't bother. I started shooting airguns, and still do, if I didn't maybe I wouldn't have got an FAC and a SGC. The licensing of Brococks proves that the onus will be placed on the owner of the guns to adhere to the law. How many Brococks are still in circulation that haven't been licensed? How many people are in possesion of them and don't realise that they are breaking the law? How many realise that they could get 5 years? I'm OK, I've got permission, I own a Home Office approved club and have both an FAC and SGC. There are many who aren't as fortunate and I'll do my utmost to protect their right to own an airgun.

[Guest air gunner]

Mee too i never thought of your comments. But how?

[Edgar 1]

If there was some form of "relaxed FAC" then presumably there would be an age limit as there is with a real FAC. This would make it more difficult for youngsters to get into air gunning. This would be harmfull to the sport of air gunning. So I dont think this "relaxed FAC" is a good idea.

[Catcher 1 639]

''they'le have to ply mine from my cold dead hands''

 

is the kind of attitude that has probably brought the ban to the fore.

 

sorry mate obviously not having a go at you..........but they cannot easily ban airguns imo......because theres millions of em out there and they dont know how many and where.......so it cannot be easily applied.

 

the solution, again imo....would be to bring in a form of relaxed FAC........that only covers sub 12 ft/lb air guns.

 

anyone with permission, insurance and a legal gun would get one.........so, no problem as far as i can see.

 

anyone caught with an airgun without a certificate will be dealt with accordingly.

 

the law says you cannot have a shot gun /rifle without a certificate......fair enough, would you happily posess one without......no !!! ( i hope)......so it would just be the same with your air rifle.

 

i see some form of licencing as a good thing...........get rid of the idiots that spoil it for the majority, wouldn't you agree????

 

bring it on

 

regards

 

sean

 

 

Hi mate i dont agree.I think it was me that made that QUOTE. And yes when it comes to people telling me what i can or cant do because they dont like it. I get an ATTITUDE.Not having a go mate.They made it quite clear that airguns and line fishing was next.After they. us on fox and hare.What next will we have to prove we have rabbit ground to own a Lurcher or a ferret.Thease f--kers will never stop untill they get the lot.They are not happy with having there cake and eating it.They want all of ours too.And i mean all.So i say never give an inch.Not on anything.atb. Catcher 1

[yeeharr 41]

Hi mate i dont agree.I think it was me that made that QUOTE. And yes when it comes to people telling me what i can or cant do because they dont like it. I get an ATTITUDE.Not having a go mate.They made it quite clear that airguns and line fishing was next.After they. us on fox and hare.What next will we have to prove we have rabbit ground to own a Lurcher or a ferret.Thease f--kers will never stop untill they get the lot.They are not happy with having there cake and eating it.They want all of ours too.And i mean all.So i say never give an inch.Not on anything.atb. Catcher 1

 

I think it was Charlton Heston who first made that quote but I'm sure he'll let you use it. On a couple of other forums I'm quite outspoken about fox hunting and the right of people to do it. I've never rode to hounds but will defend anyones right to do it. Many shooters especially those who shoot only airgun were/are against fox hunting and were of the opinion that they should distance themselves from it in an attempt to protect their sport. For years I've appealed for unity amongst those that are involved in fieldsports, that means airgunners defending the rights of foxhunters and foxhunters defending airgunners. The attitude taken by many will come back and bite them on the arse. I was reading a post in the shooting section earlier where a fox shooter was being slagged off by a couple of guys who run dogs. The government will do their best to divide us, as they did during the lead up to the foxhunting ban where they were advocating the shooting of foxes and seemed to be on the side of shooters. There were many shooters on many forums distancing themselves from fox hunting and in some cases attacking it. The government don't need to divide us, we do a good enough job on our own. There are many aspects of fieldsports that I don't do, but I'll never turn my back on those people that do because I'm well aware that we are only a few out of the countries population and we need to stick together. As soon as all the shooting's banned, fishing will be next and then pet ownership and then who knows. (These are actual mission goals of the various anti groups). Maybe it's time to grow up and accept another mans sport and stop keep trying to slag everyone off because you don't agree with what they do. You'll find there's plenty of people who don't agree with fieldsports and they'll keep coming after us picking small sections of us off until we are no more.

 

I don't do fat birds but know plenty of blokes that do, I never question it, it's their choice. Besides, it keeps the chunky feckers out of my way!!!!

[Catcher 1 639]

Hi mate i dont agree.I think it was me that made that QUOTE. And yes when it comes to people telling me what i can or cant do because they dont like it. I get an ATTITUDE.Not having a go mate.They made it quite clear that airguns and line fishing was next.After they. us on fox and hare.What next will we have to prove we have rabbit ground to own a Lurcher or a ferret.Thease f--kers will never stop untill they get the lot.They are not happy with having there cake and eating it.They want all of ours too.And i mean all.So i say never give an inch.Not on anything.atb. Catcher 1

 

I think it was Charlton Heston who first made that quote but I'm sure he'll let you use it. On a couple of other forums I'm quite outspoken about fox hunting and the right of people to do it. I've never rode to hounds but will defend anyones right to do it. Many shooters especially those who shoot only airgun were/are against fox hunting and were of the opinion that they should distance themselves from it in an attempt to protect their sport. For years I've appealed for unity amongst those that are involved in fieldsports, that means airgunners defending the rights of foxhunters and foxhunters defending airgunners. The attitude taken by many will come back and bite them on the arse. I was reading a post in the shooting section earlier where a fox shooter was being slagged off by a couple of guys who run dogs. The government will do their best to divide us, as they did during the lead up to the foxhunting ban where they were advocating the shooting of foxes and seemed to be on the side of shooters. There were many shooters on many forums distancing themselves from fox hunting and in some cases attacking it. The government don't need to divide us, we do a good enough job on our own. There are many aspects of fieldsports that I don't do, but I'll never turn my back on those people that do because I'm well aware that we are only a few out of the countries population and we need to stick together. As soon as all the shooting's banned, fishing will be next and then pet ownership and then who knows. (These are actual mission goals of the various anti groups). Maybe it's time to grow up and accept another mans sport and stop keep trying to slag everyone off because you don't agree with what they do. You'll find there's plenty of people who don't agree with fieldsports and they'll keep coming after us picking small sections of us off until we are no more.

 

I don't do fat birds but know plenty of blokes that do, I never question it, it's their choice. Besides, it keeps the chunky feckers out of my way!!!!

 

 

Good input mate.Your rigth we all have to stick together.atb. Catcher 1.P S I got the quote of Men In Black

[SEAN3513 7]

some fair and valid points fellas.......dont get me wrong i dont think anything should be changed for the worse.

 

licensing would be ok........but not going the whole hog with cabinets etc......somthing as simple as a trigger lock would be ample......but still over the top.

 

all i mean by it is......licensing would get rid ( hopefully) of all the nobs that give the sport a bad name.

 

i fully support, as you do yeeharr, anybodys right to hunt.........the "ban" is wrong for many reasons and in time with a different government will get overturned, im sure and hope.

 

the problem is that the sport is tarnished, not by hunters but by chavs ( for want of a better description) and the like.

 

we "hunters" need to stick together and make the sport what it used to be ..... decent !!!

 

and if that means licensing airguns, dogs, ferrets and anything else we use....so be it.

 

and once a licensing scheme is in place do you not think that further protect the sport?????.....got to be better than a ban.??

 

standing up and shouting "f**k THE BAN" does not and will never work.

 

we need to show the powers that be we are responsible, passionate and willing to safegaurd our sport ...even if it means striking a compramise.

 

cheers

 

sean

[yeeharr 41]

Unfortunatley mate, a compromise means that we get shafted and some idiot who knows nothing about what we do dreams up more hoops for us to jump through. Which idiot said that it's OK to use terriers to ground when you are protecting game birds to be shot but not to protect a farmers sheep or poultry?

[ROB.BOB 21]

first off: thanks for so many posts, has to be my most sucsessful one yet

 

as for the comments that yeeharr put across about different grups of feild sports distinsing them selfes from other types, fair enough, but what i must say is that i would back any other sportsman/womens sport, and we should, as it may come to them defending yours at some point.

 

i feel that we shouldnt give an inch, as soon enough we will have lost a foot, but if we have to, we should make the anties work like hell for it! EVEN if it meant setting up out side the scottish parlement in a responsible protest.

 

as catcher 1 said about getting an attitude, i am also one of those people that will get an attitude if something i love is going to be taken from me,

 

i have to say that i dont want to have to have a license to go out with my BSA lightining, the instances that i feel has brough this about is those odd cases when some t!t in glasgow shoots another boy. (they were not meant to be used in glasgow! a enviroment that a product was not ment to be used in will cause problems, its like using a shotgun in your house, your not meant to and you shouldnt!

 

this probly dosent make sence to a lot of people...... but i enjoyed my rant!

 

atb ROB

[Guest air gunner]

It makes full sense many people in cities own air guns most of which are probably very responsible and go out of town to permissions however some as you say "t!ts" see them as toys like a bb gun. This being the case it would be hard to destinguish who is who and whether they are fit to own such a weapon. Everyone rack your brains so we can help make an educated proposal to the goverment.

[ROB.BOB 21]

It makes full sense many people in cities own air guns most of which are probably very responsible and go out of town to permissions however some as you say "t!ts" see them as toys like a bb gun. This being the case it would be hard to destinguish who is who and whether they are fit to own such a weapon. Everyone rack your brains so we can help make an educated proposal to the goverment.

 

what about a manditory test, eg. safe shots to take and what are not, identifieing quarry?

 

so if you pass thats your license kind of thing?