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[gnasher16 30,597]

  lurcher lass said:

with regards to london not being for london people i haven't read so much nonsense for a while

 

london is still london and always will be but it will change as the times and people living there change

 

people have been moving to london and others moving out of london for years!!

 

 

 

So you think 40,s 50,s and 60,s london is the same as it is today ? dont be so ridiculous...........even in the ,s nobody knew what an east european was.....yes we had blacks yes we had asians yes we had odds and sods from most cultures.......but we did not have masses and masses of poles/turks/bosnians/kosovans etc etc......yes people have been moving to london...but rarely english people....and the people living in london who move out is mostly white flight born and bred londoners sick of their surroundings........london today is a vastly different,almost unrecognisable place compared to times even as recent as the late ,s...........london has changed culturally more in the last 15 years than it did in the previous 50 years.....whether that be inner london or greater london......massive mosques and seikh temples had not even been thought of 30 years ago in london now london is home to some of the biggest.........and you dont think londons changed !!.....its a place i used to be very very proud to call home....now it sickens me to go back there.

[spanj 11]

  mad al said:

Send them all to Tralee JS? I think we are all brothers at the end of the day, but how do folk especially from your neck of the woods define "Brits"? I have been on the sharp end of this and I have to say I don't blame the Irish one bit and when I am tarred as a "racist",feck me the Irish, Scots and Welsh have lived with it for years

 

Just remember without the British (& surely you mean English) there wouldnt be anybody to pay for the Welsh, Irish and Scottish !!!!! Grenade thrown pmsl

[Mars 42]

Anyone been watching the incredeble human journey, seems were all geneticly decended from africa,

[lurcher lass 9]

  gnasher16 said:

  lurcher lass said:

with regards to london not being for london people i haven't read so much nonsense for a while

 

london is still london and always will be but it will change as the times and people living there change

 

people have been moving to london and others moving out of london for years!!

 

 

 

So you think 40,s 50,s and 60,s london is the same as it is today ? dont be so ridiculous...........even in the ,s nobody knew what an east european was.....yes we had blacks yes we had asians yes we had odds and sods from most cultures.......but we did not have masses and masses of poles/turks/bosnians/kosovans etc etc......yes people have been moving to london...but rarely english people....and the people living in london who move out is mostly white flight born and bred londoners sick of their surroundings........london today is a vastly different,almost unrecognisable place compared to times even as recent as the late ,s...........london has changed culturally more in the last 15 years than it did in the previous 50 years.....whether that be inner london or greater london......massive mosques and seikh temples had not even been thought of 30 years ago in london now london is home to some of the biggest.........and you dont think londons changed !!.....its a place i used to be very very proud to call home....now it sickens me to go back there.

 

 

firstly before you get your hackles up, read what i wrote, i did not say that london is the same as the 40's and thank goodness its not! i said that london is changing with the times as england as a country changes their veiws and quite rightly too!

where the BNP once had discrimintation against the irish and blacks now its simply shifted to asian. will people just keep shifting from race to race til their is none left to choose from!!

if it sickens you to go there simply don't but i would recommend you accept that society has began to wake up about accepting new cultures and perhaps you should follow suit

[lurcher lass 9]

  oh really! said:

a few decades the likes of the bnp hung the "no dogs..no irish" signs on shops and pubs. they've just changed it now to "no muslims" cos we're not as differnt as them.

 

 

hi mate i've been looking up how the irish are veiwed by the BNP found this link

 

http://www.irishinbritain.com/iib_cms/?q=node/139

 

found this site in general quiet interesting

[gnasher16 30,597]

  lurcher lass said:

firstly before you get your hackles up, read what i wrote, i did not say that london is the same as the 40's and thank goodness its not! i said that london is changing with the times as england as a country changes their veiws and quite rightly too!

where the BNP once had discrimintation against the irish and blacks now its simply shifted to asian. will people just keep shifting from race to race til their is none left to choose from!!

if it sickens you to go there simply don't but i would recommend you accept that society has began to wake up about accepting new cultures and perhaps you should follow suit

 

 

So in other words ...you think i/we should be tolerant ?....thats the word they use these days.....we should accept that london is now the toilet of europe ?....well maybe some of these dogooding no pride lefty hippy prats are willing to do that but theres still a fair few people with a bit left in the tank when it comes to tradition and culture whether it be london or nationally.......are they wrong for that ?

 

Yes times change....but not always for the better,and absolutely not for the better in this case.

 

Yes it sickens me but fortunately or unfortunately im not sure which i still have many family and friends who have an awful lot more pride than me and refuse to run away from things and have dug their hills in.....hence i have to go back.....

 

If you think the likes of neasden temple,the biggest temple in the world outside of india.....the literally hundreds of seikh,muslim,afro carribean,ethiopan,kosovan etc etc etc etc.....centres,bars,cafes or any other " culturally " diverse places is for the good of true london people then you are seriously deranged.......ask a hundred londoners who were around in the 40,s or 50,s what they think of london today......but then " true london people " dont matter anymore do they !

Edited June 15, 2009 by gnasher16

[Waz 4,276]

  jigsaw said:

way would the bnp look at the irish living in britain.I read they are for britain being run by british so how would the irish fare?I'm not being argumentative just wondering what you guys think.Just say a bloke that moved to britain 20-30 years ago,married an english lass,raised his kids as british,how is he looked upon by the bnp or is he accepted as a native after all this time?Just thought it would make a good discussion,i have some great mates from britain and your game fairs are the dogs danglies so that proves im not biased if you take offence to this topic(and I cant see why you would)just ignore it.I see a lot of irish flags on here but the members have lived over for many a year.If say the bnp got to send all the other non nationals back from whence they came as some on here reckon they should how would my country people be situated,would they be ''ONE OF YER OWN'' or also looked upon as not necessary.Just put up as a good discussion so no insults from either side guys/gals.Havent a clue what type of reaction to expect but looking forward to the replies.

 

FCUK what any political party thinks, they are representing the people, & I reckon 9,999 out of every 10,000 people would have no problem with an Irish man/woman coming to the UK to earn a living and settle down etc. As oppose to (in my mind/estimate) the vast majority of people opposed to recent influxes.

[lurcher lass 9]

maybe this is too raw for both of us to get into a debate about, i wouldn't want to end up in a border line arguement thats not how i like to discuss things

 

i'm irish and my parents went though hell upon arriving in this country, -rightly or wrongly in your eyes, my dad arrived and lived rough worked on a building site and worked his way up the trade by the time he died he had his own house and a really good name for himself in the industry, when mam arrived here after leaving her country due to pregnancy after being raped and irish veiws going against any option she chose, she left to come to england, she lived in a hostol and worked right up til the day before the baby was born, after a short while she became a self employed child minder which she done for 15 years and now is working in a childs home,

 

i'm not writting this for a sob story but so you can understand that your hitting a nerve, however not for a second do i expect you to sit back but at the same time i would like you to learn from other points of veiw, although there are people who fiddle the system -this happens no matter what race! most people leaving their country is a last resort and its human pride to work and provide for your family

 

i blame the system this country has, partically race should not be favoured no matter which country their from, before the government introduced the E U etc human nature would have a neighbour move in next door and start conversation now however you move in and the reaction is "another bloody one!"

 

i grew up in london and its changed in the last five years dont mind the rest! but it will always be my home, yes its changed a lot even but it will always be where i grew up and it should be the same for you. .

 

please bear in mind the opinions of any person in the 40's were very different. single mothers, disabled people, elderly, etc where all treated very differently, i must say i do think its correct that this nation accepts people relativly easily but thats my veiw

[lurcher lass 9]

also maybe the reason why not many have looked at this post is its missing a clear title informing the conest

just a suggestion mate, as it would be interesting to hear peoples opinions on this

[Malt 379]

I'm not sure what the BNP's policies are, but I believe that peoples gripes with certain incomers lie with the fact that they refuse to integrate, and expect to be given special treatment.

 

Irish settlers over the years didn't (to my knowledge) form gated communities, where non Irish people feared to set foot. Certain types of immigrants have always been welcomed for the most part, because they add to our culture and national worth, but others wish to have no part in being anything British, and hate everything we stand for.

[gnasher16 30,597]

  lurcher lass said:

maybe this is too raw for both of us to get into a debate about, i wouldn't want to end up in a border line arguement thats not how i like to discuss things

 

i'm irish and my parents went though hell upon arriving in this country, -rightly or wrongly in your eyes, my dad arrived and lived rough worked on a building site and worked his way up the trade by the time he died he had his own house and a really good name for himself in the industry, when mam arrived here after leaving her country due to pregnancy after being raped and irish veiws going against any option she chose, she left to come to england, she lived in a hostol and worked right up til the day before the baby was born, after a short while she became a self employed child minder which she done for 15 years and now is working in a childs home,

 

i'm not writting this for a sob story but so you can understand that your hitting a nerve, however not for a second do i expect you to sit back but at the same time i would like you to learn from other points of veiw, although there are people who fiddle the system -this happens no matter what race! most people leaving their country is a last resort and its human pride to work and provide for your family

 

i blame the system this country has, partically race should not be favoured no matter which country their from, before the government introduced the E U etc human nature would have a neighbour move in next door and start conversation now however you move in and the reaction is "another bloody one!"

 

i grew up in london and its changed in the last five years dont mind the rest! but it will always be my home, yes its changed a lot even but it will always be where i grew up and it should be the same for you. .

 

please bear in mind the opinions of any person in the 40's were very different. single mothers, disabled people, elderly, etc where all treated very differently, i must say i do think its correct that this nation accepts people relativly easily but thats my veiw

 

 

No argument going on from this side....personally i have little more problem with irish folk settling in london as i have with london folk settling in glasgow,cardiff or any other major british city......my problem is with people neither you me or any other british people have any identity with......i ask again,what was the benefit of neasden temple to london/british people,keep in mind that historically neasden/wembley/harlesden has always been a highly poulated irish area ?....i used that example as you are from irish stock.........

Yes london will always be my home...BUT like i said its a place i was once very proud to call home but no more.....i grew up in a particularly poor part of east london but still there was fantastic community spirit and togetherness....today it is disgusting....i have 2 parents touching lived in the same place since i was a lad,i have begged and pleaded with them to move away i even bought them a property but had to resell as they refused to move out of what my old dad calls " my manor "....it just breaks my heart that there final years must be lived in a nasty dirty horrible foreign country once outside the front door and the place i was always proud to call home is an embarrassment!.......

Anyway,good to share thoughts no matter what

Edited June 15, 2009 by gnasher16

[gnasher16 30,597]

  maltenby said:

I'm not sure what the BNP's policies are, but I believe that peoples gripes with certain incomers lie with the fact that they refuse to integrate, and expect to be given special treatment.

 

Irish settlers over the years didn't (to my knowledge) form gated communities, where non Irish people feared to set foot. Certain types of immigrants have always been welcomed for the most part, because they add to our culture and national worth, but others wish to have no part in being anything British, and hate everything we stand for.

 

 

Nail cracked squarely across head

[lurcher lass 9]

No argument going on from this side....personally i have little more problem with irish folk settling in london as i have with london folk settling in glasgow,cardiff or any other major british city......my problem is with people neither you me or any other british people have any identity with......i ask again,what was the benefit of neasden temple to london/british people,keep in mind that historically neasden/wembley/harlesden has always been a highly poulated irish area ?....i used that example as you are from irish stock.........

Yes london will always be my home...BUT like i said its a place i was once very proud to call home but no more.....i grew up in a particularly poor part of east london but still there was fantastic community spirit and togetherness....today it is disgusting....i have 2 parents touching lived in the same place since i was a lad,i have begged and pleaded with them to move away i even bought them a property but had to resell as they refused to move out of what my old dad calls " my manor "....it just breaks my heart that there final years must be lived in a nasty dirty horrible foreign country once outside the front door and the place i was always proud to call home is an embarrassment!.......

Anyway,good to share thoughts no matter what

 

the reason why i mentioned my family back is purely because i have a fair idea of what being an immergrant means, the benefit of neasden temple to any area of london is that it adds the same advantge as a park or church is that it helps the local peoples wellbeing, in hope that if people are at peace with themselves that they will be less likely to impose negativity on others , , of course easier said then done!

i grew up in a poor part of north london, so i can relate to how horrible it tis to see change and i agree that the area is rougher then before and has lost the atmosphere it once had,

i'm sorry to hear about your parents mate, my dad died of cancer due to his stubberness so i know how it feels to be fighting a losing battle, but evidently they are happy where they are and don't want to move, sounds a tad hippyish but enjoy spending the time you have with them before its gone, you'll regret it if you can only mainly trying to convence them the opposte of what they wish to do , , trust me

 

so to ease me curiosity which part of east london then mate x x

[poacher3161 1,766]

The irish have nothing at all to fear from the bnp as a smashing ireish fellow was voted in by the people of maltby a mining village nr s.yorks for the bnp.atvb

[lurcher lass 9]

theres ironey for you!

well at least thats good to know