SEAN3513 7 Posted June 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 spot on freddy..........thanks a lot mate. i thought that was the case but thanks for the confirmation !! or it could simply be rampant rabbits shagging somebodys lost pet ???..........best to keep an open mind, at least to consider other possibilities !!!! cheers sean Quote Link to post
Guest Countryboyo Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 spot on freddy..........thanks a lot mate. i thought that was the case but thanks for the confirmation !! or it could simply be rampant rabbits shagging somebodys lost pet ???..........best to keep an open mind, at least to consider other possibilities !!!! cheers sean It can be either or. black and other colours occur naturally in the wild and this is why domestic rabbits are coloured. coloured (mutant gene) wild rabbits were selectively bred in the past and domesticated . European wild rabbits can also breed with their domestic cousins . they are essensially the same animal only one is tame and looks different due to sellective breeding. many peoples pet rabbits have escaped and bred with with wild rabbits. Quote Link to post
SEAN3513 7 Posted June 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 thanks for the answers fellas...........they are certainly on the increse around here but then again its nice to see cheers sean Quote Link to post
Freddy Watts 1 Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Spot on countryboyo thats can and does happen. I was just pointing out the reasons for the black in the first place but yes this was then used by breeders to create new breeds of rabbit with specific physical traits. So wild black rabbits will be caused by further mutation in the wild population and by breeding with domestic rabbits which already carry the mutated gene. ATB Freddy Quote Link to post
Guest Scuba1 Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 come on boys its peoples pet ones being let go they then go on and breed more of them ive seen it happen where a matey let aload off hence different colours like tow coloured ones etc And people wonder why arguements start. My point was that although this could be a reason it is not necessarily the main reason. How do you think black rabbits came about in the first place? In answer to your questions sean I am studying Biology and yes it is the related to albinism in fact it is the complete opposite. To briefly get technical to explain it. Albinism is caused by a lack of a Melanin (a pigment) wheras Melanism is caused by an increase in this pigment. So it is all related to gene mutations at the end of the day. Hope that helps Freddy I think its all a cunning plan of mother nature to stop us getting big bags while out lamping. Next stop are non reflective eyes and then they can sneak up on us and give us the finger / paw at night. ATB Michael Quote Link to post
Guest Countryboyo Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Variety is the spice of life id suppose. Heard of some estate in england where the landowner released hundreds of white rabbits years back so that his gardens would look pretty for his guests. anyway they bred with the wild rabbits and the effects can still be seen today in the area. Quote Link to post
rabbit tourmentor 29 Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 for the record i was never starting an aguement i no nothing of genetics i wouldnt start an aguement anyway okay i could be black ones from genes but how do you explain to part coloured ones obvisously pet rabbits are being let go aswell Quote Link to post
Freddy Watts 1 Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 I didn't say you directly started an arguement but it is posts like yours speaking down to others on a subject about which you admit youself you know nothing. That is one of the resons arguements start. Pet rabbits are wild rabbits that have been domesticated (same species hence they can breed). They aren't painted they are that colour because of mutations that occured in their genes be they black white or a mix of colours its mainly down to genes at the end of the day. These mutations can arise in the wild and in some cases are beneficial. We just selected rabbits with "nice colours" and selectively bred them to make more. There is nothing to stop the mutations occuring in the wild and if there are no factors to make the mutation be selected against (i.e make them less likely to survive) then they can breed. So at the end of the day it is all down to genetics regardless of whether some of the black rabbits around today are the offspring of pets or if the mutations occured in the offspring of wild rabbits. My point is it can and does happen. I am sorry if people can't understand this but it is how it is. I have no intention of starting arguements but someone asked a question which i am trying to answer with scientifically proven fact and people are mocking it. Hope this clears up your original question sean if anyone wants anymore detail please feel free to ask and I will try to help. All the best Freddy Quote Link to post
SEAN3513 7 Posted June 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 very helpfull as always freddy very interesting you can't beat scientificly proven facts......unless there wrong.....lol thanks again mate sean Quote Link to post
Freddy Watts 1 Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Well it had better not be wrong cos I have just spent the best part of this year learning about it. Its just very annoying when someone decides to laugh at you when really they have no idea. Its not very helpful to the people asking the questions either. I am always prepared to help if I can. I would not know what I do without help from others. ATB Freddy Quote Link to post
SEAN3513 7 Posted June 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 agreed mate !!!! i always offer help where i can......because, rest assured, i WILL need somebody elses help on a regular basis. all the best sean Quote Link to post
Guest Scuba1 Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 I still think int a plot of mother nature against lamping Quote Link to post
Freddy Watts 1 Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 I could explain that 1 too but I won't. Maybe there are lots of black rabbits that come out at night and dance around behind us as we are laying in wait but we just never see them. who knows. < rabbits faces ATB Freddy Quote Link to post
Guest Scuba1 Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 I could explain that 1 too but I won't. Maybe there are lots of black rabbits that come out at night and dance around behind us as we are laying in wait but we just never see them. who knows. < rabbits faces ATB Freddy The question here is, has evolution had enough time to kick in since the invention of the air rifle and artificial light, taking the generation cycle of rabbits into account. Can you tell that I am bored yet ?? Michael Quote Link to post
Freddy Watts 1 Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Not at all michael mate sounds like your having great fun imagining ways for rabbits to avoid us hunters. The answer to you question is probably as we all know how fast bunnies can breed. ATB Freddy Quote Link to post
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