riohog 5,701 Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 and only to replace her.... What with........a car? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SPOTTY BACKED BIG RACK 90 Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 good to see u back wilfy they are saying your a god breeding for profit and the working dog world dont mix. if u want to make money breed poo shits or cocka doodle poos or whatever and sell them to old grannys at £500 a pop, they will love the dog and keep it til its dying day come rain or shine. no shame in making a few bucks that way it beats an office job anyway as long as your not not pulling the wool over anyones eyes if they want a silly yappy dog with a sillier name then thats there choice. but working dogs have only one standard thats work and to test lines out and make sure they do the biz they should go between friends and money shouldnt come into it. thats my view Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bosun11 537 Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Dogs and money........what a fecking crock of shite! That, in its most simplest terms, just about sums everything up!..... Good to have you back Wilfred old bean As for dogs and money, yep i'd pay the going rate 'if' I wanted sommat bad enough but to me dogs should be bred for ones self and to be given and given close. Must be really gettin old, I still hark back to the good old days of scouring Exchange & Mart, where a well bred dog would go for 10 to 15 quid and best of all you knew it was gen because at that price, no need for bullshit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sounder 9 Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 and only to replace her.... What with........a car? to wilf, noting wrong with the old memory!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,549 Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 good to see u back wilfy they are saying your a god Only to Winkhound Quote Link to post Share on other sites
moonshine 0 Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 otherwise i would buy a pup, but not one that is £200, no way Why?? If I wanted a well bred pup £200 is nothing, you could easily pay £100 and feed the dog for years costing hundreds upon hundreds for it to turn out a plum. Saying that many lads don't charge at all................... As for dogs, ANYONE who breeds PURELY for profit is a parasite and I don't include people who breed for their own use........................ Edited to add that perhaps the reason so many dogs are currently being bred or offered at stud is because people are struggling in the current financial and economic situation, just food for thought and perhaps something to add to the debate????????????????? ive just lined my bitch 3 weeks ago so dont know if she has taken yet but already 10 pups have been asked for. i will be only letting her rear 6, one for me and the rest will be gifted. i have the opinion that if a dog is worth breeding from you will not have to advertise the pups. i may have this worng but how are you only going to let her rear 6 anymore knock on the head as there born? you may be culling the best in the litter. how do you know what is a good dog at birth Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rabbit Hunter 6,613 Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 good to see u back wilfy they are saying your a god Only to Winkhound Who let this messer back on?? :kiss: , I think what Darcy said hit the nail on the head, if dogs had no money value then there would be no reason for people to pinch them... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AKA-BRINDLE 879 Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 If I ever breed a litter one thing for sure...no one on here even hears about them. They are never for sale, they are given away to mates. In turn, i get pups given back and/or stud for free as a standard. Its all about putting the value of dogs far, far higher than the shallowness of money. Too many litters being bred for money. I don't care what anyone says, alot of this "bred for own use" is bollocks. They are seeing the £200 a pup. And it is a shame. What many do not think about is...If working dogs had little value then dog thefts would be reduced dramatically. It's the stupid £300+ prices that fuels dog theft. The scum that pinch the dogs are doing it to breed from them and sell the pups in many cases. Money, money, money..... But hey, that's JMO......J Darcy So by your way of thinking where dose the newcomer to the dogs go to get his start in the game? where dose the genuine lad who has had to get out of the dogs for a few years and lost contact go to make a new start?...i dont breed dogs but have no problem with those that do as long as they are honest and the dogs are healthy...buying a dog is the same as anything else in life you need to put a bit of thought and research into it...like a car or a woman go into it with your eyes closed and you ended up getting your pants pulled down...but thats life! most of us learn the hard way...bought my first dog off a proper dog farming puppy peddler but by todays standards anyone who even breeds a litter is called a peddler...elitist snobbery...history will tell that message boards/forums have done way more damage to working dogs than breeders ever will...JMO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
J Darcy 5,871 Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 If I ever breed a litter one thing for sure...no one on here even hears about them. They are never for sale, they are given away to mates. In turn, i get pups given back and/or stud for free as a standard. Its all about putting the value of dogs far, far higher than the shallowness of money. Too many litters being bred for money. I don't care what anyone says, alot of this "bred for own use" is bollocks. They are seeing the £200 a pup. And it is a shame. What many do not think about is...If working dogs had little value then dog thefts would be reduced dramatically. It's the stupid £300+ prices that fuels dog theft. The scum that pinch the dogs are doing it to breed from them and sell the pups in many cases. Money, money, money..... But hey, that's JMO......J Darcy So by your way of thinking where dose the newcomer to the dogs go to get his start in the game? where dose the genuine lad who has had to get out of the dogs for a few years and lost contact go to make a new start?...i dont breed dogs but have no problem with those that do as long as they are honest and the dogs are healthy...buying a dog is the same as anything else in life you need to put a bit of thought and research into it...like a car or a woman go into it with your eyes closed and you ended up getting your pants pulled down...but thats life! most of us learn the hard way...bought my first dog off a proper dog farming puppy peddler but by todays standards anyone who even breeds a litter is called a peddler...elitist snobbery...history will tell that message boards/forums have done way more damage to working dogs than breeders ever will...JMO People who breed dogs for profit only ARE peddlers mate. What else would you call them? Either way, each to their own...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
moonshine 0 Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 99% of people who breed a litter make money from it fact so if some has a good dog and a good bitch and say wants a pup from them the bitch has 9 they sell the 8 for say £200 each £1600 return from one breeding are they peddelers or breeders they have good dogs they want one for themselfs and as many have put £200 is nothing for a well bred pup? where is the line of definition someone has a very well bred dog doing everythin they offer it at stud for a fee surly they are fueling puppy peddlers there is so many ways to look at it . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
riohog 5,701 Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 99% of people who breed a litter make money from it factso if some has a good dog and a good bitch and say wants a pup from them the bitch has 9 they sell the 8 for say £200 each £1600 return from one breeding are they peddelers or breeders they have good dogs they want one for themselfs and as many have put £200 is nothing for a well bred pup? where is the line of definition someone has a very well bred dog doing everythin they offer it at stud for a fee surly they are fueling puppy peddlers there is so many ways to look at it . dont have to sell they could be given away as gifts! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
J Darcy 5,871 Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 99% of people who breed a litter make money from it factso if some has a good dog and a good bitch and say wants a pup from them the bitch has 9 they sell the 8 for say £200 each £1600 return from one breeding are they peddelers or breeders they have good dogs they want one for themselfs and as many have put £200 is nothing for a well bred pup? where is the line of definition someone has a very well bred dog doing everythin they offer it at stud for a fee surly they are fueling puppy peddlers there is so many ways to look at it . dont have to sell they could be given away as gifts! Exactly!! But some will never understand.... Still, its up the the owner i guess. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,549 Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 The line is this.......if your putting them up on here then they cant be that fecking brilliant. Good dogs have no shortage of takers, they are about as hard to find as rocking horse shite.....and lets not forget those who just so happen to be "selling for a friend" time and time again!! We have all paid money for a dog at some time or another, with verying degrees of success......its not so hard to spot the ones who are just in it for the cash. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rabbit Hunter 6,613 Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Good dogs have no shortage of takers, they are about as hard to find as rocking horse shite Too true... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
diggerman 0 Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 I come away from the dogs for nearly 17 yrs, I gave all of my working terriers away for free barr 1 which I sold for £25, locators and nets were sold for £30 the lot. I decided to get back into the terrier game back end of 2008 and nearly shit my pants at how much terriers are selling for now, I dont know any local lads as I now live in a different area. If the dogs were given for free or the price of the food then there would be no reason for people to steal as there would be no money in it for them. I have said to lads with pups for sale that I would give them £50 and if the dog turned out to be a worker then they would also be given a pup back, everyone of them has said no to this offer. Most lads out there are only interested in making a profit on pups. Until peoples attitudes change, then dogs are going to be bred and sold for crazy amounts of money. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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