Leave it to someone who can

[johnbhoy 1]

well put together teircel

 

atb mate

[Catcher 1 639]

Having had dogs of various sorts over the last 45 years. I feel I may be able to give an impartial opinion here. Having read all of the thread there have been some good points made on both sides.

 

Breeding will usually tell but not always. I bought a pup of a mod on this site too many years ago to want to remember. I went to him as he had a very good working bitch crossed with a very good dog. Now that litter produced some cracking workers and obedience dogs.

The pup had nearly all the attributes that anyone would look for in a pup, bar for one, it was just too keen! It could never work out how to work a rabbit it just went full out all the time. It had two speeds full throttle and stop. In the end that’s what killed him, the rabbit seen the pipe he did not, bang, one dead dog.

 

The first running dog I ever owned was from a mate’s whippet crossed with a bitza running dog, there was a bit of everything in the sires background from bull terrier whippet greyhound even a bit of saluki way back, but the dog caught rabbits.

The pup was slow to enter and by the time he was 2 had only caught a couple of rabbits, but as it was my first running dog I would not give up. By the time he was three he was catching double figures a night by the time he was 4 he was regularly taking well into the 20's.

 

Good breeding should give you an advantage, however if you do not have the skill to take advantage of that, do not blame the dog. Be as honest as you can with yourself and look what you are doing wrong. Pushing a dog when it is not ready is a recipe for disaster, pushing a dog when it is ready will get you a better dog.

 

In my eyes people who have never had a dog before can go out and buy pup. They do not have a clue how to deal with a pup, they know nothing of how a dog thinks, they have no idea of how to socialise a pup, in fact they know Fec all about dogs and expect to turn out a top class worker without any work.

 

Personally I blame the numbers game, they come on this and other internet forums and read of dogs doing this at that age and my dog has taken x amount and he is only 6 months old and they believe it. They then think that every dog should be doing the same thing. When the dog does not do it they then get rid and start the ruination of another dog all over again.

 

Just my honest opinion.

 

TC

 

Good input mate.atb. Catcher 1

[undisputed 1,664]

Having had dogs of various sorts over the last 45 years. I feel I may be able to give an impartial opinion here. Having read all of the thread there have been some good points made on both sides.

 

Breeding will usually tell but not always. I bought a pup of a mod on this site too many years ago to want to remember. I went to him as he had a very good working bitch crossed with a very good dog. Now that litter produced some cracking workers and obedience dogs.

The pup had nearly all the attributes that anyone would look for in a pup, bar for one, it was just too keen! It could never work out how to work a rabbit it just went full out all the time. It had two speeds full throttle and stop. In the end that’s what killed him, the rabbit seen the pipe he did not, bang, one dead dog.

 

The first running dog I ever owned was from a mate’s whippet crossed with a bitza running dog, there was a bit of everything in the sires background from bull terrier whippet greyhound even a bit of saluki way back, but the dog caught rabbits.

The pup was slow to enter and by the time he was 2 had only caught a couple of rabbits, but as it was my first running dog I would not give up. By the time he was three he was catching double figures a night by the time he was 4 he was regularly taking well into the 20's.

 

Good breeding should give you an advantage, however if you do not have the skill to take advantage of that, do not blame the dog. Be as honest as you can with yourself and look what you are doing wrong. Pushing a dog when it is not ready is a recipe for disaster, pushing a dog when it is ready will get you a better dog.

 

In my eyes people who have never had a dog before can go out and buy pup. They do not have a clue how to deal with a pup, they know nothing of how a dog thinks, they have no idea of how to socialise a pup, in fact they know Fec all about dogs and expect to turn out a top class worker without any work.

 

Personally I blame the numbers game, they come on this and other internet forums and read of dogs doing this at that age and my dog has taken x amount and he is only 6 months old and they believe it. They then think that every dog should be doing the same thing. When the dog does not do it they then get rid and start the ruination of another dog all over again.

 

Just my honest opinion.

 

TC

 

 

Some good points but I doubt the dynamic duo will agree with you :thumbs:

[WILF 47,327]

I absolutely agree with TC, so dont keep being a dafty ya silly old c**t

 

No place in that reply did he say that you can turn a jacker into an outstanding dog just by givving it time.....a jacker is a jacker.

 

You say that you have never ever given up on a dog, so you must have been one lucky fecker to have never had a jacker or a sub-standard dog........either that, or you have a certain magic no other fecker has or low standards.

 

Dont try and wriggle out of the fact that you and your silly mate claimed that you can make ANY dog into a decent dog.........

[hector 1]

I absolutely agree with TC, so dont keep being a dafty ya silly old c**t

 

No place in that reply did he say that you can turn a jacker into an outstanding dog just by givving it time.....a jacker is a jacker.

 

You say that you have never ever given up on a dog, so you must have been one lucky fecker to have never had a jacker or a sub-standard dog........either that, or you have a certain magic no other fecker has or low standards.

 

Dont try and wriggle out of the fact that you and your silly mate claimed that you can make ANY dog into a decent dog.........

well said that is what i say from day 1 not all dogs make it some just not good enough and if you breed from them that is what you get dogs that are just not good enough there is no one in the world that can train a hunting dog to be the best you can train to find the quarry that is easy but try to train it to kill the quarry different story

[big jack 0]

In reply to the thread - some dogs will always be better than others. It's life.

But with hounds they can't help themselves - hunt is what they do. I can't speak for terriers, never owned one.

With my lurchers - including my latest ,a whippet cross - just treat them with respect and they learn the business. they can't help it.

Like children, some are better than others, but with all give them exercise, tlc, routine and food and they get there.

 

The most important element is time. Spend time with your hound and slowly introduce the environments that you want them to hunt in and they will get there. Sure breeding counts, but if pups don't have time and attention, breeding counts for nothing.

 

Best way to train a dog is to take it out with a an older dog - they soon learn.

My priority with my dogs is obedience. Hounds/ lurchers are by nature good dogs

Crap lurchers, sad to say, come about because of bad owners.

 

I suppose I come from a different angle because my dogs are always my pack first , hunters second. If you are earning a few quid from your dogs then you perspectve changes. Regardless, the lurcher owners I know - hunters and pet owners alike - love their dogs for what they are, hunters.

 

I suppose what I am saying is that the hounds/lurchers do what they do, it is up to us as owners to nurture them.

 

Many people will disagree, but greyhounds lurchers whipets and the like are the best dogs.

it's been a long day, I am rambling.. good night and good hunting (if it's legal!)

[Catcher 1 639]

I absolutely agree with TC, so dont keep being a dafty ya silly old c**t

 

No place in that reply did he say that you can turn a jacker into an outstanding dog just by givving it time.....a jacker is a jacker.

 

You say that you have never ever given up on a dog, so you must have been one lucky fecker to have never had a jacker or a sub-standard dog........either that, or you have a certain magic no other fecker has or low standards.

 

Dont try and wriggle out of the fact that you and your silly mate claimed that you can make ANY dog into a decent dog.........

 

 

Hi WILF.I see you are back mate trying to give me bellters.You could be right maybe i am getting old.Seeing you have the mind of a fourteen year old who cares.As for calling me a c--t.Right again.As i can be a c--t now and again .one thing i will say I know my own faults.That what makes me a better man than you.In your eyes you know it all.More fool you.ALL That aside.

 

All i said to T C was good input mate then you start going on about jacker mate.Tell me do you jack alot. lol.No i have never given up on a dog.If you cant train a Lurcher to catch a rabbit give it up.Maybe i am lucky or ? maybe i can train a dog better than you.Think about it .There may be some people out there that know more than you and your buddies about dogs.It could be that our sub-standard dogs are better than your so called best five percent.Dont wriggle for anyone unless you pay me.atb. Catcher 1 mate

[kayno 0]

I absolutely agree with TC, so dont keep being a dafty ya silly old c**t

 

No place in that reply did he say that you can turn a jacker into an outstanding dog just by givving it time.....a jacker is a jacker.

 

You say that you have never ever given up on a dog, so you must have been one lucky fecker to have never had a jacker or a sub-standard dog........either that, or you have a certain magic no other fecker has or low standards.

 

Dont try and wriggle out of the fact that you and your silly mate claimed that you can make ANY dog into a decent dog.........

 

 

90% of the time a dogs a jacker it's because the person bringing it on don't have a clue. you silly c**t

 

wilfs back and twice the c**t he was before

Edited June 17, 2009 by kayno

[Catcher 1 639]

I absolutely agree with TC, so dont keep being a dafty ya silly old c**t

 

No place in that reply did he say that you can turn a jacker into an outstanding dog just by givving it time.....a jacker is a jacker.

 

You say that you have never ever given up on a dog, so you must have been one lucky fecker to have never had a jacker or a sub-standard dog........either that, or you have a certain magic no other fecker has or low standards.

 

Dont try and wriggle out of the fact that you and your silly mate claimed that you can make ANY dog into a decent dog.........

 

 

90% of the time a dogs a jacker it's because the person bringing it on don't have a clue. you silly c**t

 

wilfs back and twice the c**t he was before

 

 

At least WILF has a mind of his own.He dosent need toyboys to back him up(sad)atb. Catcher 1

[Catcher 1 639]

In reply to the thread - some dogs will always be better than others. It's life.

But with hounds they can't help themselves - hunt is what they do. I can't speak for terriers, never owned one.

With my lurchers - including my latest ,a whippet cross - just treat them with respect and they learn the business. they can't help it.

Like children, some are better than others, but with all give them exercise, tlc, routine and food and they get there.

 

The most important element is time. Spend time with your hound and slowly introduce the environments that you want them to hunt in and they will get there. Sure breeding counts, but if pups don't have time and attention, breeding counts for nothing.

 

Best way to train a dog is to take it out with a an older dog - they soon learn.

My priority with my dogs is obedience. Hounds/ lurchers are by nature good dogs

Crap lurchers, sad to say, come about because of bad owners.

 

I suppose I come from a different angle because my dogs are always my pack first , hunters second. If you are earning a few quid from your dogs then you perspectve changes. Regardless, the lurcher owners I know - hunters and pet owners alike - love their dogs for what they are, hunters.

 

I suppose what I am saying is that the hounds/lurchers do what they do, it is up to us as owners to nurture them.

 

Many people will disagree, but greyhounds lurchers whipets and the like are the best dogs.

it's been a long day, I am rambling.. good night and good hunting (if it's legal!)

 

Good input mate .atb. Catcher 1

[kayno 0]

I absolutely agree with TC, so dont keep being a dafty ya silly old c**t

 

No place in that reply did he say that you can turn a jacker into an outstanding dog just by givving it time.....a jacker is a jacker.

 

You say that you have never ever given up on a dog, so you must have been one lucky fecker to have never had a jacker or a sub-standard dog........either that, or you have a certain magic no other fecker has or low standards.

 

Dont try and wriggle out of the fact that you and your silly mate claimed that you can make ANY dog into a decent dog.........

 

 

90% of the time a dogs a jacker it's because the person bringing it on don't have a clue. you silly c**t

 

wilfs back and twice the c**t he was before

 

 

At least WILF has a mind of his own.He dosent need toyboys to back him up(sad)atb. Catcher 1

 

 

true mate he doe's speak his mind i'll give him that bit like myself realy. fair enuff but is there any need to be disrespectful all the f*****g time when speaking to people even if you don't agree with what they say. no need for it makes me think is he a c**t when he's away from the keyboard or is he a genuine bloke hard to tell never mind he'll soon give another bitchy reply

Edited June 17, 2009 by kayno

[undisputed 1,664]

I absolutely agree with TC, so dont keep being a dafty ya silly old c**t

 

No place in that reply did he say that you can turn a jacker into an outstanding dog just by givving it time.....a jacker is a jacker.

 

You say that you have never ever given up on a dog, so you must have been one lucky fecker to have never had a jacker or a sub-standard dog........either that, or you have a certain magic no other fecker has or low standards.

 

Dont try and wriggle out of the fact that you and your silly mate claimed that you can make ANY dog into a decent dog.........

 

According to you I have a wand up my arse so maybe it's that I'm not trying to wriggle out of anything....but get your facts right I never said I could make ANY dog I said any dog is capable if entered properly, and your right I've never had a jacker....you need to define what you consider sub standard and low standards I'm never quite sure what folk mean by that it's a bit like the "honest lad" and "high standards" I keep hearing about....I hunted a range of quarry with my dogs and was never disappointed in any of them. But hey I'm always willing to learn from better men than myself so maybe the "honest lad" brigade can put up a post showing the 95% of us sub-standard dog men where we're going wrong.

[Catcher 1 639]

I absolutely agree with TC, so dont keep being a dafty ya silly old c**t

 

No place in that reply did he say that you can turn a jacker into an outstanding dog just by givving it time.....a jacker is a jacker.

 

You say that you have never ever given up on a dog, so you must have been one lucky fecker to have never had a jacker or a sub-standard dog........either that, or you have a certain magic no other fecker has or low standards.

 

Dont try and wriggle out of the fact that you and your silly mate claimed that you can make ANY dog into a decent dog.........

 

 

90% of the time a dogs a jacker it's because the person bringing it on don't have a clue. you silly c**t

 

wilfs back and twice the c**t he was before

 

 

Kayno sorry mate think i got it wrong there.atb. Catcher 1

[johnbhoy 1]

you dont get a bad dog, you just get bad owners

 

atb

[Catcher 1 639]

I absolutely agree with TC, so dont keep being a dafty ya silly old c**t

 

No place in that reply did he say that you can turn a jacker into an outstanding dog just by givving it time.....a jacker is a jacker.

 

You say that you have never ever given up on a dog, so you must have been one lucky fecker to have never had a jacker or a sub-standard dog........either that, or you have a certain magic no other fecker has or low standards.

 

Dont try and wriggle out of the fact that you and your silly mate claimed that you can make ANY dog into a decent dog.........

 

According to you I have a wand up my arse so maybe it's that I'm not trying to wriggle out of anything....but get your facts right I never said I could make ANY dog I said any dog is capable if entered properly, and your right I've never had a jacker....you need to define what you consider sub standard and low standards I'm never quite sure what folk mean by that it's a bit like the "honest lad" and "high standards" I keep hearing about....I hunted a range of quarry with my dogs and was never disappointed in any of them. But hey I'm always willing to learn from better men than myself so maybe the "honest lad" brigade can put up a post showing the 95% of us sub-standard dog men where we're going wrong.

 

 

Give them pellters undisputed.Its about time this mob were put in line.atb. Catcher 1