Leave it to someone who can

[weasle 1,119]

Snoop dog. I get what your saying, but you seem to be talking about a totally different thing to coneycatcher, he is on about your average lurcher lad whos main sport is rabbits, how do you know (IF YOU CARE) that you have the best rabbit catcher. You seem to be talking more about coursing, and i would agree no matter how well you bring up and enter a dog, once behind a hare the dog has either got it or not.If i went lamping with you and your dog caught more rabbits than me, i wouldn't be rushing home to shot my dog,would you. As fore the breeding thing if the lads that are breeding the best to the best and yet still only get a handful of best dogs in there lives,then surely there creating a surplus.The lads im talking about wouldnt really know a good dog if it bite them up the arse, just messers expect to pull there dog out of kennel and it to catch everything they see.Dont tell me you dont know any of these. If you do get them the best pup you can find and i will have a bet with you it will end up the same as all there other dogs.

 

 

Hi weasle. I dont now if you are giving me a wind up.I was takeing hare and fox for a long time before the ban.And had some of the best dogs in my area to do it one on one or as some people would say solo.atb. Catcher 1

No mate not talking about you just saying average lurcher lad dosnt need to have the best to catch a few rabbits thats all

[Catcher 1 639]

sure lets do that i respect what u say about giving them time i just dont give as much time if i see serious faults there. at least u can have the debate without getting shirty so atb to you we dont have to agree but your views are respected from where im standing

All the things you said there about the lurcher are pretty standard,id of thought.Thats why i wouldnt get a collie cross can get a bit clever about what they run, must yapping is through bad entering isnt it,but there again wouldnt get a fox hound cross either.I or most other people woundnt expect some one to run a dog with those faults.But you wouldnt need to be searching the earth to get a pup that would do that job i would have thought.

 

 

Dont know what you mean about standard ? PS in the game from a nipper .Just going on 48

[weasle 1,119]

sure lets do that i respect what u say about giving them time i just dont give as much time if i see serious faults there. at least u can have the debate without getting shirty so atb to you we dont have to agree but your views are respected from where im standing

All the things you said there about the lurcher are pretty standard,id of thought.Thats why i wouldnt get a collie cross can get a bit clever about what they run, must yapping is through bad entering isnt it,but there again wouldnt get a fox hound cross either.I or most other people woundnt expect some one to run a dog with those faults.But you wouldnt need to be searching the earth to get a pup that would do that job i would have thought.

 

 

Dont know what you mean about standard ? PS in the game from a nipper .Just going on 48

You seem to think im having a go at you. All im trying to say is that in your first post you were talking about the local dog lads who all ways seem to be looking for a new dog without giving the old one a chance. i agree totally. but when lads start talking about breeding and wanting the best they are talking about coursing i think, but i believe as most lurcher lads the rabbit is the main quarry,most lurchers can do this and do it well if given a chance. I was answering spotty backed big rack in saying what he wanted in a lurcher giving 100% ect was pretty standard, and just be course i believe in giving a dog a fair chance , dosnt mean my dogs are running around yapping and picking what it runs or dosnt.Dont know you, not having ago but i agree that some dogs dont get a fair chance.

[Catcher 1 639]

sure lets do that i respect what u say about giving them time i just dont give as much time if i see serious faults there. at least u can have the debate without getting shirty so atb to you we dont have to agree but your views are respected from where im standing

All the things you said there about the lurcher are pretty standard,id of thought.Thats why i wouldnt get a collie cross can get a bit clever about what they run, must yapping is through bad entering isnt it,but there again wouldnt get a fox hound cross either.I or most other people woundnt expect some one to run a dog with those faults.But you wouldnt need to be searching the earth to get a pup that would do that job i would have thought.

 

 

Dont know what you mean about standard ? PS in the game from a nipper .Just going on 48

You seem to think im having a go at you. All im trying to say is that in your first post you were talking about the local dog lads who all ways seem to be looking for a new dog without giving the old one a chance. i agree totally. but when lads start talking about breeding and wanting the best they are talking about coursing i think, but i believe as most lurcher lads the rabbit is the main quarry,most lurchers can do this and do it well if given a chance. I was answering spotty backed big rack in saying what he wanted in a lurcher giving 100% ect was pretty standard, and just be course i believe in giving a dog a fair chance , dosnt mean my dogs are running around yapping and picking what it runs or dosnt.Dont know you, not having ago but i agree that some dogs dont get a fair chance.

 

 

Hi mate sorry if we got a mix up.I put the topic up in General because i think people give up on there dogs to early.It wasent till the end of the Topic i said anythining about people i know atb. Catcher 1

[weasle 1,119]

yeah thanks. I was just trying to make the point you could give a dog swapper the best bred dog you could find, it still wouldnt be kept.

[Catcher 1 639]

yeah thanks. I was just trying to make the point you could give a dog swapper the best bred dog you could find, it still wouldnt be kept.

 

 

RESPECT.Catcher 1

[Catcher 1 639]

sarcasm when things dont go your way i must have touched the bone with my post. my high standards are no yapping no jacking no easing off if the quarry looks to be getting away if anything the dog should try harder give it a last ditch attempt to catch it before it hits cover some dogs ease off and stuff gets away that might not have done with a keener dog. it has to have a high catch rate dogs that run 50/50 are no good same with those that blow hot and cold good one night half hearted the next. it needs to have stamina and determination so it can be worked 5 days a week if weather conditions are right with 2 rest days. it has to be able to do this for 6-8 seasons thats if injury doesnt cut it short. its got to be brainy and biddable but able to use its own head to make decisions. my lurchers are all reared well they get a lot of time attention training and best of feeding but once u take them on the field its down to the dog some are better than others once u have a great dog u cant go back to anything less it sets the bench mark. better to have an empty kennel than keep shite. have fun polishing your turds you arent able to discuss things without being crabby so like your pal catcher says "leave it to someone who can"

ps who is wilfy?

well said mate that has to be the highest standard of post i read so far

 

Go away hector

[MOO 730]

There is now doubt entering has a lot to do with it but a well bred dog will take to its task in hand with ease ...but im not going to try and say all well bred dogs will make the grade or the grade I strive for ...but a higher percentage will than from the breeding of average dogs .

You cant get stamina of a 5 out of 5 hare dog through entering and training you can get an good dog as fit as possible but to achieve the wind of the type of dog mentioned is down to 100% breeding .

You cant train a dog whether its a lurcher,strong dog or digging dog to be game once again you get true gamness from breeding lines of TESTED game dogs way way back .

Just because some lads have high standards and will do the right thing by a dog that doesnt make the grade does not make them poor dog men ...if more people were honest about there dogs and only bred from the best the quality of dogs in this country would be higher ....you just need to look at poorer countries like Kazakhstan where a dog has to earn its food and the right to live where they cant afford to keep rubbish ...so only the best will be kept there fore bred from .

Undisputed that 95% of dogs are second grade was a conservative guess but that s another discussion and has nothing to do with this thread but more to do with ££££££££££££££££££££££

[anythingoes 28]

Some good and fair ponts been posted , i just hope people can take something from it and maybe even put some of it into the dog , as they say pratice what one preeches

atb anythinoes

[MOO 730]

There is now doubt entering has a lot to do with it but a well bred dog will take to its task in hand with ease ...but im not going to try and say all well bred dogs will make the grade or the grade I strive for ...but a higher percentage will than from the breeding of average dogs .

You cant get stamina of a 5 out of 5 hare dog through entering and training you can get an good dog as fit as possible but to achieve the wind of the type of dog mentioned is down to 100% breeding .

You cant train a dog whether its a lurcher,strong dog or digging dog to be game once again you get true gamness from breeding lines of TESTED game dogs way way back .

Just because some lads have high standards and will do the right thing by a dog that doesnt make the grade does not make them poor dog men ...if more people were honest about there dogs and only bred from the best the quality of dogs in this country would be higher ....you just need to look at poorer countries like Kazakhstan where a dog has to earn its food and the right to live where they cant afford to keep rubbish ...so only the best will be kept there fore bred from .

Undisputed that 95% of dogs are second grade was a conservative guess but that s another discussion and has nothing to do with this thread but more to do with ££££££££££££££££££££££

hi moo would you rate your own dogs in the top 5% or the 95% second grade

I have an 8 year old bitch deerhound cross out of good stuff that in her day done it all that I would class as at the very top of her game when she was younger and there have been plenty of lads up and down the country that saw this bitch graft (a few on this site ) she put the amount of gear in the bag that and done it in a way that justified breeding off her .

I have a 3 year old dog out of her whos sire has dogs like Scout ,Blondie ,Dancer in his make up and once again was a proper dog ....this dog has the potential to be as good if not better as his parents but broke his leg half way through last season but looks like makeing a full recovery and got back amongst it at the back end of the season but I can guarentee you there was not many dogs that put as much in the bag as this young dog done in his.

first season

I only have 1 terrier at the moment but usually have 3 in my yard and any terrier man in the country would want him in there kennels

I would not keep a dog that wasnt up to scratch and definatly would not breed from one .

would you class the dogs you keep Scotsman in that 5% as we all ready know youve bred from them

[Catcher 1 639]

There is now doubt entering has a lot to do with it but a well bred dog will take to its task in hand with ease ...but im not going to try and say all well bred dogs will make the grade or the grade I strive for ...but a higher percentage will than from the breeding of average dogs .

You cant get stamina of a 5 out of 5 hare dog through entering and training you can get an good dog as fit as possible but to achieve the wind of the type of dog mentioned is down to 100% breeding .

You cant train a dog whether its a lurcher,strong dog or digging dog to be game once again you get true gamness from breeding lines of TESTED game dogs way way back .

Just because some lads have high standards and will do the right thing by a dog that doesnt make the grade does not make them poor dog men ...if more people were honest about there dogs and only bred from the best the quality of dogs in this country would be higher ....you just need to look at poorer countries like Kazakhstan where a dog has to earn its food and the right to live where they cant afford to keep rubbish ...so only the best will be kept there fore bred from .

Undisputed that 95% of dogs are second grade was a conservative guess but that s another discussion and has nothing to do with this thread but more to do with ££££££££££££££££££££££

hi moo would you rate your own dogs in the top 5% or the 95% second grade

I have an 8 year old bitch deerhound cross out of good stuff that in her day done it all that I would class as at the very top of her game when she was younger and there have been plenty of lads up and down the country that saw this bitch graft (a few on this site ) she put the amount of gear in the bag that and done it in a way that justified breeding off her .

I have a 3 year old dog out of her whos sire has dogs like Scout ,Blondie ,Dancer in his make up and once again was a proper dog ....this dog has the potential to be as good if not better as his parents but broke his leg half way through last season but looks like makeing a full recovery and got back amongst it at the back end of the season but I can guarentee you there was not many dogs that put as much in the bag as this young dog done in his.

first season

I only have 1 terrier at the moment but usually have 3 in my yard and any terrier man in the country would want him in there kennels

I would not keep a dog that wasnt up to scratch and definatly would not breed from one .

would you class the dogs you keep Scotsman in that 5% as we all ready know youve bred from them

 

Hi MOO Look mate me and you dont agree on how to train or care for a dog and never will.You have your way .I have mine.you keep going off the Topic .So just lets leave it at that. Catcher 1

[snoopdog 1,256]

catcher you have put a thread up about how you feel about dogs getting passed on ect ect ..and that you would keep a dog in your kennels wether it be good or no good .....if you didnt want other peoples opinions then you shouldnt have put the thread up mate...

moo,s got his opinion and i have mine and you have yours ....now wether you agree or disagree with mine moo,s and anybody elses....it everybody right to voice there opinion......lets just read what people have to say and take in what we want and disreguard what we dont want to listen too......lets just keep it freindly and put our points across......all the best snoop....and before you think iam on moo,s side so to speak i dont know him and never met him ....but i think he talks some sense....not all but some..

[Catcher 1 639]

catcher you have put a thread up about how you feel about dogs getting passed on ect ect ..and that you would keep a dog in your kennels wether it be good or no good .....if you didnt want other peoples opinions then you shouldnt have put the thread up mate...

moo,s got his opinion and i have mine and you have yours ....now wether you agree or disagree with mine moo,s and anybody elses....it everybody right to voice there opinion......lets just read what people have to say and take in what we want and disreguard what we dont want to listen too......lets just keep it freindly and put our points across......all the best snoop....and before you think iam on moo,s side so to speak i dont know him and never met him ....but i think he talks some sense....not all but some..

 

 

Me AND MOO Dont get on mate never have .So better not to talk than bark at each outher atb.Catcher 1

[undisputed 1,664]

sarcasm when things dont go your way i must have touched the bone with my post. my high standards are no yapping no jacking no easing off if the quarry looks to be getting away if anything the dog should try harder give it a last ditch attempt to catch it before it hits cover some dogs ease off and stuff gets away that might not have done with a keener dog. it has to have a high catch rate dogs that run 50/50 are no good same with those that blow hot and cold good one night half hearted the next. it needs to have stamina and determination so it can be worked 5 days a week if weather conditions are right with 2 rest days. it has to be able to do this for 6-8 seasons thats if injury doesnt cut it short. its got to be brainy and biddable but able to use its own head to make decisions. my lurchers are all reared well they get a lot of time attention training and best of feeding but once u take them on the field its down to the dog some are better than others once u have a great dog u cant go back to anything less it sets the bench mark. better to have an empty kennel than keep shite. have fun polishing your turds you arent able to discuss things without being crabby so like your pal catcher says "leave it to someone who can"

ps who is wilfy?

 

 

Aye I guess I was being sarcastic but I object to being called crabby I have a very sunny disposition for a man my age and condition You havn't touched a bone at all with your comments, water of a ducks back to me mate. Give it out expect it back its only the internet afterall, for all you know I could be an 95yr old granny with a one legged poodle winding you up. Anyways my dogs didn't yapp, jack or ease of quarry with a good catch rate does that mean I'm in the top 5% of guys with high standards?.....Your a lucky man if you can work your dog 5 days a week for up to 8 seasons....I dont think there's many in here or out there who do that unless they make a living from it or have a few dogs at their disposal...or hold on to them as long as that I guess a lot of what we're arguing about is subjective anyway and depends on what access you have to quarry....In terms of setting benchmarks for your dog there's nowt wrong with that but it dont make your new dog any worse if it dont come up to the same standards different things go into making a good dog and a dog should be judged on it's own merits not one that came before it....Wilfy is a god!

[hector 1]

ot new lurcher today she 3/8 5/8 bull come in to my house full of confidence guy i got her very good dogman imo but had to let go due to circumstances will give her every chance to make it but if she not what i look for in a dog then i wont pass to pet home or try to sell her she 17 mths but right now i treat her like a pup and she is stock broken will hjkc she very well bred but imo that dont mean she what i look for in a dog but it give her a chance now i beleive that is all you can do they dont all make and that is a fact as i say before one mans cur is another mans ace