Leave it to someone who can

[Catcher 1 639]

But if a dog doesnt have it ,it doesnt matter how much you put into it some dogs just dont meet some peoples standards ...but moving an inferior dog on especialy for ££££££££££ is out of order the right thing should be done ....and with the amount of second class dogs being bred for ££££££££ the problem will just get worse ..YOU BREED SHITE YOU GET SHITE

 

Hi MOO Its not about Breeding mate .Its about careing and giving the dog time to prove its self.If people are selling dogs under two years old because they dont meet there standards then more fool them.atb. Catcher 1

sO WHAT YOU ARE SAY ING IS BREEDING IS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT YOU CANT BREED RATS USEING MICE ...AND IM GLAD THE LADS THAT I DEAL WITH HAVE THE SAME VIEWS AS ME

 

 

Hi MOO Read the topic.What i am saying if you dont know much about dogs.As we can see a lot of people dont.Leave it to those who can.I am only asking people to put in a bit of effort before giveing up on the dog. Catcher 1

Bye the way MOO what are your views on this Topic

[Guest Lamper18]

couldnt agree more

 

 

Cheers Your a wee darling atb. Catcher 1

 

 

she agrees with anyone about anything

[bucky 11]

it would also help if people bought the right dog for there needs, you dont go out and buy a saluki cross if you just want to do a bit of ferreting or a small whippet cross to go coursing (PREBAN) start out with the right dog for the job and thats half the battle a bit of patience and alot of time you will have a good dog in the making just my opinion though

[Catcher 1 639]

it would also help if people bought the right dog for there needs, you dont go out and buy a saluki cross if you just want to do a bit of ferreting or a small whippet cross to go coursing (PREBAN) start out with the right dog for the job and thats half the battle a bit of patience and alot of time you will have a good dog in the making just my opinion though

 

 

And a good one mate.Some people think a dog will be an all rounder. Fools and when it is not off it gose to some outher fool.Then most are past from piller to post and then are found tyed to some tree dead or starving.And we ask ourself how we get bad press. Catcher 1

[frost 4]

Catcher Couldn't agree wae you more mate.Around here every "dogman" has the latest cross that is in vogue just now it is bull x's a few years back it was saluki x's and as you quite rightly pointed out they seem to think all lurchers are all rounders but sadly this is not the case as each different x has it's strengths and weaknesses(although you do get the odd exception) and once these binlids realise there dog is not suitable for a certain aspect of our sport it is either passed on to one of their cronies or unceremoniously dumped on the street to fend for theirselves and we all know the most likely outcome for these poor dogs.

A few year ago one of the local blowhards bought a hancock bitch as at the time he was in fashion and tryed to have her tackling all game by the time she was 9 month old and unsuprisingly she did not live up to his expectations and as fate would have it i bumped into him when he was on his way to the local police station to hand her in saying he had found her!!!After listening to his reasons for wanting rid of her i looked her over and offered to take her and after hearing how useless she was he gave her to me.Six months later after getting her into order and building up her confidence and CAREFUL entering she became a cracking dog catching rabbit and hare with aplomb and mangled fox and even took roe even though she was only 24 tts.

The icing on the cake came a year later when her previous owner came into possession of an"unbeatable" saluki x and would take on all comers my wee bitch laced it beating it 2-0 on hares and winning me 75 bucks and the imbecile had the audacity to offer to swap me his dog and 50 quid for a dog he thought was useless and the worst part is this was 12 year ago and he is still at it as well as his son whose party trick is running young dogs into the ground and selling the poor b*stards on to some innocent young one who is just starting out.

Sadly our sport is burdened by this tit and his son and so many others like them and i would not mind so much if these c*nts suffered but its not its the loyal hardworking lurcher that gets f**ked over!!!!

[dirtwinger 235]

Nothing has changed it seems since I left the Uk. only difference is the idiots can brag across the web rather than just at the local boozer.

I think the two main points on this thread are this. A young dog needs a serious committment in time to prove its potential. And potential owners of lurchers need to find a mentor they can trust, do the research and choose a pup from proven lines suitable to their quarry and ground. A well informed well guided novice is more likely to head in the right direction with a lurcher by their side that meets their expectations. But only if they have a realistic attitude about what it takes to make a good dog.

I think I was lucky growing up in a working sighthound household and a good one at that. Many of the young lurcher owners are growing up in our instant gratification society are shocked to find they must put in years of effort rather than minutes to produce a good lurcher and that preparation and planning are important. Sadly the problems discussed here predate the current generation and it is a sad fact that their will always be those too lazy too put in the effort and seek shortcuts rather than do it the right way. If you believe in your sport all you can do is reach out a hand to those who have the fire in their hearts and help them become the next generation of real dog men.

 

all the best dirtwinger

[undisputed 1,664]

YOU CANT BREED RATS USEING MICE ...AND IM GLAD THE LADS THAT I DEAL WITH HAVE THE SAME VIEWS AS ME

 

 

Thats a nobrainer if ever I heard one.....instead of stating the bloody obvious why not offer something constructive and it wont matter how well bred your dog is if you dont enter it properly it wont turn out a good dog....and that was catchers point about folk's expectations of young dogs...rush rush!

[polecat 1]

Catcher Couldn't agree wae you more mate.Around here every "dogman" has the latest cross that is in vogue just now it is bull x's a few years back it was saluki x's and as you quite rightly pointed out they seem to think all lurchers are all rounders but sadly this is not the case as each different x has it's strengths and weaknesses(although you do get the odd exception) and once these binlids realise there dog is not suitable for a certain aspect of our sport it is either passed on to one of their cronies or unceremoniously dumped on the street to fend for theirselves and we all know the most likely outcome for these poor dogs.

A few year ago one of the local blowhards bought a hancock bitch as at the time he was in fashion and tryed to have her tackling all game by the time she was 9 month old and unsuprisingly she did not live up to his expectations and as fate would have it i bumped into him when he was on his way to the local police station to hand her in saying he had found her!!!After listening to his reasons for wanting rid of her i looked her over and offered to take her and after hearing how useless she was he gave her to me.Six months later after getting her into order and building up her confidence and CAREFUL entering she became a cracking dog catching rabbit and hare with aplomb and mangled fox and even took roe even though she was only 24 tts.

The icing on the cake came a year later when her previous owner came into possession of an"unbeatable" saluki x and would take on all comers my wee bitch laced it beating it 2-0 on hares and winning me 75 bucks and the imbecile had the audacity to offer to swap me his dog and 50 quid for a dog he thought was useless and the worst part is this was 12 year ago and he is still at it as well as his son whose party trick is running young dogs into the ground and selling the poor b*stards on to some innocent young one who is just starting out.

Sadly our sport is burdened by this tit and his son and so many others like them and i would not mind so much if these c*nts suffered but its not its the loyal hardworking lurcher that gets f**ked over!!!!

 

 

frost the valley is full of theses type of folks if the dog a,int killing by the age of nine months they get shot of them but what they dont reliase is the ground we work around takes a good up on it job dog to take the qaurry like i,ve been told my monkeys are my monkeys and they must have been good at there job as some dirty theving scum b*****ds stole them and i,ve never heard or seen them since but i no deep down they would do the job for me spending my time and efert getting it right not entering to early and not biting at there challages of my young pup 9mts killing hares can yours not at nine mts because i wont run my dogs are monkeys aye thats right they are mine and when theres is burnt oot mine are still working you only get out of a dog what you put into a dog

[MOO 730]

YOU CANT BREED RATS USEING MICE ...AND IM GLAD THE LADS THAT I DEAL WITH HAVE THE SAME VIEWS AS ME

 

 

Thats a nobrainer if ever I heard one.....instead of stating the bloody obvious why not offer something constructive and it wont matter how well bred your dog is if you dont enter it properly it wont turn out a good dog....and that was catchers point about folk's expectations of young dogs...rush rush!

You and catcher keep banging on about entering dogs properly and any dog will make the grade if entered properly ....thats complete shite you pair are starting to sound like that other haver Brian Plummer I remember reading an article he wrote years ago saying he could get any dog to go to ground and work fox and he reconed he could get a king charles spaniel to enter to fox and be dug to .....There is no dennying entering has a large part to play at the start of a dogs carreer but a well bred dog will normally enter with ease its just a case of not over matching it and im a great believer in no dog has been ruined by being held back .........The facts are some dogs dont make it and as ive already stated with all the rubb£sh being bred these days more amd more dogs will be passed around ....so I ask you this if you had a dog that didnt make the grade what would you do with it or are you the only person I know that everydog theyve owned has made your grade

[poacher3161 1,766]

wat we tend to forget a lot of the younglads comeing into the world of lurchers are init just because some of their mates are doing it and have not served an apprenticeship so to speak and a lot tend to look up to the kill everything brigade and get rid of the dog if its not doing it by the time its a year old.A young lad i bumped into recently with his bull cross all he was saying was about all the badgers and foxes he had supposed to have caught and that rabbiting was for faggots.A true case of young idiots growing up around old idiots.atvb

[undisputed 1,664]

YOU CANT BREED RATS USEING MICE ...AND IM GLAD THE LADS THAT I DEAL WITH HAVE THE SAME VIEWS AS ME

 

 

Thats a nobrainer if ever I heard one.....instead of stating the bloody obvious why not offer something constructive and it wont matter how well bred your dog is if you dont enter it properly it wont turn out a good dog....and that was catchers point about folk's expectations of young dogs...rush rush!

 

You and catcher keep banging on about entering dogs properly and any dog will make the grade if entered properly ....thats complete shite you pair are starting to sound like that other haver Brian Plummer I remember reading an article he wrote years ago saying he could get any dog to go to ground and work fox and he reconed he could get a king charles spaniel to enter to fox and be dug to .....There is no dennying entering has a large part to play at the start of a dogs carreer but a well bred dog will normally enter with ease its just a case of not over matching it and im a great believer in no dog has been ruined by being held back .........The facts are some dogs dont make it and as ive already stated with all the rubb£sh being bred these days more amd more dogs will be passed around ....so I ask you this if you had a dog that didnt make the grade what would you do with it or are you the only person I know that everydog theyve owned has made your grade

 

 

Just as you and the "lads you deal with" (Wilf) think as long as it's bred right it will come good so that'll be two piles of shite then!....What doe's breeding guarantee you?.....absolutely feck all!.....entering a dog correctly plays a Huge part in how it turns out....it doesn't matter how good a tool you have if you dont know how to use it you wont get the best out of it and if thats havering then fine!....what do you mean make the grade?....any dog I've owned has been versatile enough to do a variety of jobs so could always find something for them to do....my grade suits me fine....we cant all be "honest lad's wi high standards"......aye fair enough some dog's dont make it....but the FACTS are that in 99% of the cases it will be something that the owner has done thats caused it..... ....At the end of the day you think your right and are not willing to consider that anyone outside your circle of friends knows what theyre doing so me and Catcher will continue to haver, just a pity Plummer never got round to speaking to you it could have been oh so different and you might have got a bigger chapter dedicated to you in one of his books....maybe you should write one yourself and educate us all.

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[johnbhoy 1]

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Edited June 6, 2009 by johnbhoy

[j davies 8]

I Agree with you there Catcher 1 people dont realize what they are taking on especially alot of the youngsters coming into the game basically the first year of a lurcher with me is all down to training,fetch,sit,come,stay and the most important one is in my eyes is breaking then to stock that is a (MUST!!! ) just all the basics then move on to the other things like crossing water,jumping,retrieving and getting it used to kids and getting on with other dogs.I am not deliberately singling out youngsters as a lot of them I have seen over the past 5 years have been out with someone lamping ect for the first time and think they can just buy a lurcher pup and it all comes naturally this is just my daughters opinion on this aswell as her father keano

 

 

Hi Keano I am not putting this down to youngsters. this seems to be basics at all ages.Some can be be young and have a brain some can be older and have none.There is some fad going round you must have the very top of the range dog.Outherwise it is no good . If we all had the very best off dogs i would be in deep shit lol.I put up this Topic becuase i read on one today some guy was shooting his dogs because they wherent meeting his needs.So i ask again at what age do you give up on a dog.Know me Keano i never give up on a dog.Its allways good for something.atb. Catcher 1

 

nice one catcher your spot on . when people get a pup and in a year or more it does not turn out any good who is to blame the dog NO the owner YES YES. but they all say its no good so need to sell it. then they come on sites like htis one looking for a trained one

they get it chuck it in the kennel take it out run it to death and expect it to do that all the time you only get out of a dog what you put into it.

[MOO 730]

YOU CANT BREED RATS USEING MICE ...AND IM GLAD THE LADS THAT I DEAL WITH HAVE THE SAME VIEWS AS ME

 

 

Thats a nobrainer if ever I heard one.....instead of stating the bloody obvious why not offer something constructive and it wont matter how well bred your dog is if you dont enter it properly it wont turn out a good dog....and that was catchers point about folk's expectations of young dogs...rush rush!

 

You and catcher keep banging on about entering dogs properly and any dog will make the grade if entered properly ....thats complete shite you pair are starting to sound like that other haver Brian Plummer I remember reading an article he wrote years ago saying he could get any dog to go to ground and work fox and he reconed he could get a king charles spaniel to enter to fox and be dug to .....There is no dennying entering has a large part to play at the start of a dogs carreer but a well bred dog will normally enter with ease its just a case of not over matching it and im a great believer in no dog has been ruined by being held back .........The facts are some dogs dont make it and as ive already stated with all the rubb£sh being bred these days more amd more dogs will be passed around ....so I ask you this if you had a dog that didnt make the grade what would you do with it or are you the only person I know that everydog theyve owned has made your grade

 

 

Just as you and the "lads you deal with" (Wilf) think as long as it's bred right it will come good so that'll be two piles of shite then!....What doe's breeding guarantee you?.....absolutely feck all!.....entering a dog correctly plays a Huge part in how it turns out....it doesn't matter how good a tool you have if you dont know how to use it you wont get the best out of it and if thats havering then fine!....what do you mean make the grade?....any dog I've owned has been versatile enough to do a variety of jobs so could always find something for them to do....my grade suits me fine....we cant all be "honest lad's wi high standards"......aye fair enough some dog's dont make it....but the FACTS are that in 99% of the cases it will be something that the owner has done thats caused it..... ....At the end of the day you think your right and are not willing to consider that anyone outside your circle of friends knows what theyre doing so me and Catcher will continue to haver, just a pity Plummer never got round to speaking to you it could have been oh so different and you might have got a bigger chapter dedicated to you in one of his books....maybe you should write one yourself and educate us all.

What the fuk has WILF got to do with it ....you havent got a clue what lads I deal with ...and I know breeding doesnt guarenntee you feck all but it definately hieghtens the chances of good stock ....and like ive already said you cant polish a turd and fuk knows where you got that 99% figure from

[hector 1]

it would also help if people bought the right dog for there needs, you dont go out and buy a saluki cross if you just want to do a bit of ferreting or a small whippet cross to go coursing (PREBAN) start out with the right dog for the job and thats half the battle a bit of patience and alot of time you will have a good dog in the making just my opinion though

 

 

And a good one mate.Some people think a dog will be an all rounder. Fools and when it is not off it gose to some outher fool.Then most are past from piller to post and then are found tyed to some tree dead or starving.And we ask ourself how we get bad press. Catcher 1

so every dog you have owned or worked has made it to be the dog you wanted it to be well i want a dog that will kill every fox it goes to so if you can train the dog or spend the time with the dog i drop him off to you this week pick him up at end of season cheers mate its about the standard of dog you keep that is what it all about one mans cur is another mans ace