frost 4 Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 Sound a handy beast Skycat but have to agree with Undisputed and do you not think your dog has turned out as well as it has is down to you giving the time and opportunities in the type of area you describe and if the dog had been another type of cross a collie,whippet or even a bull cross it would have ended up the same due to YOU educating the dog in this area and giving it the chances at prey??? On a separate note 6 year ago i was laughed at by the local "dog" men when i decided to travel down and buy a hancock bitch.The comment i remember most was "Don't be daft hancocks can't and won't work up here they are useless" a comment that i thought was ludicrous as i was buying an 8 week old pup not a seasoned campaigner!!! After a year of careful training and entering she started slowly to embarass most of the "superdogs" in this area and soon became my number 1 dog and still is and this is a dog bred out of non workers and the best dog i have ever had was also bred from non workers and stood 24 tts and was quite simply a treat to watch on all quarry as several members on this site can testify too.And she was also a hancock bred bitch so in my opinion it is what you put into the dog that makes it what it is!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poacher3161 1,766 Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 The lurcher bitch that i own is out of a dog called the beast back to a small lamping bitch and to be honest i have never owned a better natured dog and works well with my two spaniels.Years ago i owned a 29tts first cross saluki/grey out of ginger frechs luke he was onley an average dog but worked well bushing with the spaniels i can remember his few catches of pheasents that flushed in front of him to this day.atvb Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest donh Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 One man's meat is another man's poison...or to put it into context: one man's litter wastage is another man's life-long ferreting/mooching partner. Lol, this bitch below is that " one mans litter wastage" I thank god that man decided to give her away free to good home as she was`nt going to make big enough for his likeing..... I`ve seen this bitch run rings round bigger dogs, and out "Perform" bigger dogs, catch rabbits like a whippet plus do all other things you`d expect of a bitch of this breeding. Now in his eyes she was`nt good enough but it`s down to his breeding, that i`ve had my life long mooching partner, and she has passed on those traits to her offspring, A lot of which i`ve seen work and some of them have been tested even more than she has, and that full on attitude with no quarter given has been passed on to all her pups... And so has her placid nature around all other animals that are not considered to be Quarry 23" & 28kg of litter wastage... Mars... One nice useful looking dog, all the best Donh Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Naughty Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 Ok a wee topic for discussion....are good dogs born that way or is it all to do with how they're entered in the field?....is it about opportunity? the amount of game you have access too? Experience.....or is the dog just born that way....Nature V's Nurture.....try to keep it civil and give your reason for your opinion.....my own opinion is it's more to do with how the dog is entered to game. Most pups leave their dam at around 6 - 8 weeks so wont pick up anything from her......I think a dog will learn more from working beside a seasoned campaigner than any trait inherited from the parents. imo the dogs i work have to simpy be born with all the right insticts and put together right and with a kind, consitant upbringing(the more time spent the better) the dog should enter well,atb, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Neal 1,874 Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 Mars, that's a very useful looking dog and I know exactly what you mean. I don't work lurchers any more but when I did I always preferred the look of the ones which took after the base blood more than the sight-hound blood. As for the subject of traits skipping generations; I feel this is true both physically and mentally/behaviourally. Although two of my dogs are almost identical to one of each of their parents, the other looks more like her grand-dam. I also have a book about the late Les Tarrant and his Rockybar Kelpie Stud from which the latter bitch is descended; this bitch is very different in temperament to the other two but sounds very similar in terms of her work ethic and the way she tackles problems to one of her ancestors despite being several generations back. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 6,174 Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 Yes, really like the look of that little bitch, Mars: mind you, I always find that true excellence seems to come in smaller packages, generally speaking of course. LOL Two of my best ever fox dogs were (are) 22" bitches of light build: but so full of fire, speed and want that they put most other dogs to shame. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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