undisputed 1,664 Posted May 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 No not at all but the majority of ruined dogs are caused by something the owners did....everyone is in too much of a hurry So you agree there is some shit dogs? Dont knock it even shit has it's uses Quote Link to post Share on other sites
undisputed 1,664 Posted May 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Undisputed, you are welcome to your opinion but reading your posts it is my guess that you have never really seen what I would class as a good dog in action.I dont mean a dog that will take a few bunnies, I mean dogs that back in the day were run hard on all quarry and EXPECTED to do well. They were culled hard and only the very best mated to the very best. This is not a myth, this is reality and its a reality that you dont seem too familiar with. Once you have seen a few good dogs run side by side with mediocre and downright rubbish then you realise that you cant train that certain something into a dog and it dont matter how long you give it. If you had ever owned more than just a mooching dog, you wouldnt be saying what your saying. Great breeding shines through from the word go, they just have "something" They are like hens teeth, so dont try and tell me anyone can have a truly out standing dog because they cant. Some lads know and some lads think they know. Aye theyre deff like hens teeth funny how so many of you seem to have one!.....but your obviously an expert so I'll leave you to it.....I admit it all my dogs are shite only good for the odd bunny.....oh welll back to the drawing board!...no wonder I take a drink! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SPOTTY BACKED BIG RACK 90 Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 if u got shit dogs it must be your fault there shit then by what you just said Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brookie 1,193 Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Undisputed, you are welcome to your opinion but reading your posts it is my guess that you have never really seen what I would class as a good dog in action.I dont mean a dog that will take a few bunnies, I mean dogs that back in the day were run hard on all quarry and EXPECTED to do well. They were culled hard and only the very best mated to the very best. This is not a myth, this is reality and its a reality that you dont seem too familiar with. Once you have seen a few good dogs run side by side with mediocre and downright rubbish then you realise that you cant train that certain something into a dog and it dont matter how long you give it. If you had ever owned more than just a mooching dog, you wouldnt be saying what your saying. Great breeding shines through from the word go, they just have "something" They are like hens teeth, so dont try and tell me anyone can have a truly out standing dog because they cant. Some lads know and some lads think they know. winnie well said mate there is no substitute for breeding and with out breeding youve got nothing . one of the most sensible replys put on here for a long time Quote Link to post Share on other sites
undisputed 1,664 Posted May 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Undisputed, you are welcome to your opinion but reading your posts it is my guess that you have never really seen what I would class as a good dog in action.I dont mean a dog that will take a few bunnies, I mean dogs that back in the day were run hard on all quarry and EXPECTED to do well. They were culled hard and only the very best mated to the very best. This is not a myth, this is reality and its a reality that you dont seem too familiar with. Once you have seen a few good dogs run side by side with mediocre and downright rubbish then you realise that you cant train that certain something into a dog and it dont matter how long you give it. If you had ever owned more than just a mooching dog, you wouldnt be saying what your saying. Great breeding shines through from the word go, they just have "something" They are like hens teeth, so dont try and tell me anyone can have a truly out standing dog because they cant. Some lads know and some lads think they know. winnie well said mate there is no substitute for breeding and with out breeding youve got nothing . one of the most sensible replys put on here for a long time Welcome back mate thought you had enough good to see you got some mates as well Quote Link to post Share on other sites
undisputed 1,664 Posted May 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 if u got shit dogs it must be your fault there shit then by what you just said Yip it was me I shot JR as well and Kennedy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brookie 1,193 Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Undisputed, you are welcome to your opinion but reading your posts it is my guess that you have never really seen what I would class as a good dog in action.I dont mean a dog that will take a few bunnies, I mean dogs that back in the day were run hard on all quarry and EXPECTED to do well. They were culled hard and only the very best mated to the very best. This is not a myth, this is reality and its a reality that you dont seem too familiar with. Once you have seen a few good dogs run side by side with mediocre and downright rubbish then you realise that you cant train that certain something into a dog and it dont matter how long you give it. If you had ever owned more than just a mooching dog, you wouldnt be saying what your saying. Great breeding shines through from the word go, they just have "something" They are like hens teeth, so dont try and tell me anyone can have a truly out standing dog because they cant. Some lads know and some lads think they know. winnie well said mate there is no substitute for breeding and with out breeding youve got nothing . one of the most sensible replys put on here for a long time ive got plenty of mates and a few good dogs i dont keep shit and i dont need two seasons to know if its going to be any good or not either and by good i mean very good Welcome back mate thought you had enough good to see you got some mates as well Quote Link to post Share on other sites
undisputed 1,664 Posted May 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 ve got plenty of mates and a few good dogs i dont keep shit and i dont need two seasons to know if its going to be any good or not either and by good i mean very good I see you havn't lost your sense of humour Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poacher3161 1,766 Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 you are the guvernor makeing a pup of hanckock into a good dog far beyond the caperbilitis of your run of the mill lurcher man thats why its easier getting a pup off known lines atvb Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Neal 1,873 Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 "...just ferreting." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
undisputed 1,664 Posted May 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 "...just ferreting." two word responses dont tell us much say what you mean......lets see if you can complete a whole sentence Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marko 30 Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 if the parents are made of the right stuff and do what the owners expect of them the chances are that the pups will all work but its how you bring them on yourself what times to introduce you dog to certain quarry,breaking to ferrets and livestock giving the dog time to learn and patience when its going a bit slow. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mars 42 Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Ok a wee topic for discussion....are good dogs born that way or is it all to do with how they're entered in the field?....is it about opportunity? the amount of game you have access too? Experience.....or is the dog just born that way....Nature V's Nurture.....try to keep it civil and give your reason for your opinion.....my own opinion is it's more to do with how the dog is entered to game. Most pups leave their dam at around 6 - 8 weeks so wont pick up anything from her......I think a dog will learn more from working beside a seasoned campaigner than any trait inherited from the parents. Undisputed, i`ve been watching this thread and their are some good replys, and from what i can gather from your replys you seem to be coming down on the side of, Nurture.... Well heres my two penneth for what its worth... For Lurchers i reckon its 70% Nature 30% nurture, because to get a decent days/nights work from a lurcher it needs to be reasonably obedient, but it also has to have the phyisical and mental attributes to want to work which can only be passed on by breeding worker to worker, and best to best.. With Terriers i.m.o. i reckon its 100% nature, the dog Has To Want to Batlle, you cant train that into a terrier... you can make them nasty, and you can train a dog to attack, but you cant train a dog to battle a quarry that is most times of equal size and build as its self "sometimes bigger" That has to come from breeding the best to the best... and in both cases if the dam to the pups is a bold and confident bitch & the pups are well socilised in the first few weeks of life then that goes a long way to having a bold and confident pup.. Mars... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shamrock67 21 Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 SJM shot 2 pups at 8 month old,if this is true could someone tell me what the FECK was that done for :crazy: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest manda Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Im not argueing as i think we all have our opinion but at 8 month most owners will know if the dog has the prey drive or hunting capability (sorry about spelling im brain dead tonight lol) that just about sums that comment up...brain dead. I think its the hot weather haha and dep you cheeky get lol as long as your happy with your dogs abilitys who cares what poeple think, you'll always get poeple with other opinions. Il say both are important Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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