Born Or Made?

[Catcher 1 639]

it was meant to be a joke catcher dont get your kilt in a twist

 

 

Fair play mate.atb. Catcher 1

[chester 147]

Im not a fan of anyone who shoots 2 unproven pups at 8 months of age if you are then you also must be a bigger idiot than you look.

 

This is true, she shot her own 2 pups out of Bob and her collie x herself, call herself a woman, shes more like a monster :crazy:

there never bin pups bred out the colliex to bob and that's a fact.

[Guest busterdog]

If the original question was about the GREAT dogs, then they are definately BORN not made. imho

 

 

Bang on foxfan "YOU CAN'T PUT IN WHAT GOD LEFT OUT"

[Guest busterdog]

Its a waste of time replying if someone has it firmly set in their minds that it doesnt matter if a dog is bred off rubbish stock and poorly socialised in its formative weeks, but Im hoping if I can post without sounding rude the message might sink in thats why I edited my previous post. MOO has summed up my feelings on this matter very well a few times when he has posted, but of course every time he does you and a couple of others come on and it has an argumentative feel to it, thats why I have refrained from posting on any of undisputeds previous threads where hes stated that it doesnt matter if a pups bred off parents that dont work and stuff like that.

 

It DOES matter, very much so indeed. A lot of traits a dog will possess in the working field are inherited from its parents, grandparents etc and when you breed a line of dogs you see this start to appear in pups that have been bred down from certain dogs. I have a young pup here who is starting to hunt and I know her grandmother and great grandmother on both sides I saw them work too hundreds of times over the years, now this wee pup has just been coming out with me and Ive been watching her as she learns to use her nose and every time I see her progressing I can see her grandmothers traits through and through, certain ways she does things and mannerisms. No other dogs have shown her these things she is not learning them from watching another dog they are inbuilt into her. Yes experience and good feeding and putting lots of game in front of her will bring the best in her, but if she wasnt bred from good dogs to start with I would be literally "polishing a turd" as the saying goes.

 

Now I have nothing against undisputed thats why I edited my original post cos I thought upon reading it back it might sound rude? but he really does need to learn a bit about dog behaviour and genetics, correct breeding and early socialisation are vital in order to get the best working dog you can. If you just want a pet or a dog to knock around with and get a few bunnies then yeah I agree most dogs will fit the bill, but to say a dog doesnt learn anything from its dam or get anything from its ancestors is totally incorrect.

 

Whats your interest in this topic? thats twice now youve made snidey comments to me for no reason if you have a problem take it to pm and let the discussion stay as a discussion and not turn into an argument

That's the most well tought out answer i have seen yet, i totaly agree.

[SPOTTY BACKED BIG RACK 90]

there were no pups out the collie x and bob who told you that has given you wrong info. she does shoot dogs if they no good better that than being past about all over the place take a look at the classifieds on here tons of dogs being punted for all reasons whats the bets they will go on to get past on to 3rd 4th 5th home etc what do u do with a dog if its no good keep it? or cant u answer now your a guest?

[Catcher 1 639]

I am proud to say i have never gave up on a dog. Catcher 1

[undisputed 1,664]

there were no pups out the collie x and bob who told you that has given you wrong info. she does shoot dogs if they no good better that than being past about all over the place take a look at the classifieds on here tons of dogs being punted for all reasons whats the bets they will go on to get past on to 3rd 4th 5th home etc what do u do with a dog if its no good keep it? or cant u answer now your a guest?

 

 

Now I dont know who this person is but if it's true that SJM shot pups at 8mnth old theres no excuse for that....anyone who says that they can tell if a lurcher is gonna make the grade or not at around 8 mnth is an idiot

[Guest manda]

Our lurcher vince was from none working parents but alot of work, time and patience has made him into a really good dog for rabbits and big eared rabbits, but i do agree having decent parents does help alot and we were lucky with ours. And the subject of SJM they were her dogs!!

[SPOTTY BACKED BIG RACK 90]

what chester has wrote is true there were no 8 months old pups shot cos the collie x bitch never took when mated to bob. just folk trying to stir it take no notice

[deputydog 68]

its a 50/50 contibution in my opinion most dogs are ruined through bad owners though

[winnie 1]

I am proud to say i have never gave up on a dog. Catcher 1

 

Fair play to you for that, but what everyone should also remember is lifes to short to keep shite.

Sometimes its a bloody hard thing to move on, but move on you must.

 

And in reply to the original question, blood counts, dont let any fool tell you it dont.

[winnie 1]

Now I dont know who this person is but if it's true that SJM shot pups at 8mnth old theres no excuse for that....anyone who says that they can tell if a lurcher is gonna make the grade or not at around 8 mnth is an idiot

 

What do you suggest people do Undisputed if a young dog is obviously not right in the mind or body?

 

Better a quick exit from life than an add in the for sale section.

[Malt 379]

Guy's, it might help the discussion if we define what you guys class as shite. Too slow/disinterested/to slow a learner. etc?

 

I genuinely don't know.

 

I've known boys take so called shite in, and turn them into perfectly usable dogs.

[winnie 1]

Guy's, it might help the discussion if we define what you guys class as shite. Too slow/disinterested/to slow a learner. etc?

 

I genuinely don't know.

 

I've known boys take so called shite in, and turn them into perfectly usable dogs.

 

Anything that cant or wont do the job to standard that the owner is happy with or to a standard that you would expect after seeing lots of different dogs in action and having half an idea what a decent dog should be.

 

Thats my opinion anyway.

 

Also some dogs a mentally unsound from a very early age and so should also be considered a waste of time.

Edited May 29, 2009 by winnie

[Neal 1,874]

One man's meat is another man's poison...or to put it into context: one man's litter wastage is another man's life-long ferreting/mooching partner.