VERY Basic Question

[Bigshrimp 5]

Sorry for a most basic question here....but why create a lurcher and outcross the sighthounds with another breed?

 

What is it that the sighthound breeds lack that another breed gives, considering the resulting loss of speed?

 

 

 

Also, what are the advantages/differences of the different crosses (e.g. colliexgreyhound, bedlingtonxwhippet, bull terrierxgreyhound, etc.)? Is the specific cross decided upon based on the prey being hunted, land type, personal preference, or a bit of each??

 

 

 

I tried to find this answer myself with some searches but please direct me to another sight/thread if this has been answered elsewhere.

[socks 32,253]

the sighthound is there to provide the speed and not a lot else really ... the other cross will depend on what quarry you are going to hunt the dog on ... for example if you needed a dog with plenty of sagacity intelligence patience for a daytime rabbiting dog then you would use collie in the mix .... pre ban if you needed a dog to takle game that bites back then you would add bull blood to the mix similarly a dog needed for hares would have an injection of saluki added for the stamina .... you then have the composite mixes of lurcher to lurcher because both parents are good workers .... at some stage of breeding lurcher to lurcher you will need to throw in a bit more sighthound blood to ensure you keep the speed unless you are line breeding a particularly racy type of cross ............

[Guest dances]

good answer

[Bigshrimp 5]

Agreed, great response Socks

 

So you're implying that another breed is needed for the "hunt" part, and the sighthound is used for the "run" part.

 

 

These are the animals we have in my area to hunt with lurchers (although very few if any do):

1. rabbits (next to farm fields and along fence lines)

2. European hare (not very common)

3. Snowshoe hare (very common but live in pine/hardwood forests)

4. Red fox (not rare, but not very common either)

5. Coyote (VERY common)

6. Wolf (common enough but in northern forests)

 

 

Some do course coyote but they typically use hounds (coonhounds and mixed breeds of coonhounds). My guess is the biggest reason lurchers/sighthouds are not as popular but scent hounds are is that we have a lot of forest and bush here. The only open spaces for the dogs to sight chase are on farm fields....which is definitely a viable option for rabbits.

 

Would love to hear thoughts on what breed/mix you would consider for my situation.

Edited May 27, 2009 by Bigshrimp

[adrianvygus 0]

BedlingtonXGreyhoundxgreyound before bull breeds became the latest 'thing' we used Bedlington crosses Bedlingtons know no fear they hunt silent and the only reason I'd go for the extra Greyhound ist to give the cross a little more height and weight, if you realy wanted to go mad substitute the greyhound for a greyhoundx Scottish Deerhound , that cross'd take all your stuff and Santas Reindeer too!

[hunter cammo 0]

bull grey salukie grey is what yer need should be a good allrounder perfect for yer needs .

[Guest fence_hopper]

BedlingtonXGreyhoundxgreyound before bull breeds became the latest 'thing' we used Bedlington crosses Bedlingtons know no fear they hunt silent and the only reason I'd go for the extra Greyhound ist to give the cross a little more height and weight, if you realy wanted to go mad substitute the greyhound for a greyhoundx Scottish Deerhound , that cross'd take all your stuff and Santas Reindeer too!

 

 

i agree with you mate, but the only answare some of the idiots will be given bullx bullx bla bla bla heard it all before

[socks 32,253]

it would depend on your target species IE are you going to be doing more rabbit hunting or more coyote hunting .... to specifie a ''type'' of lurcher that dog can only excel at one job and be sufficiant at the others so whatever YOU decide to hunt will dictate what type of cross should be used ........

Edited May 30, 2009 by socks

[IanB 0]

bull grey salukie grey is what yer need should be a good allrounder perfect for yer needs .

 

Even the coyote and wolf... , Best off seeing someone who uses staghounds over in the states and get something well bred for the purpose.

[awen 29]

[hunter cammo 0]

bull grey salukie grey is what yer need should be a good allrounder perfect for yer needs .

 

Even the coyote and wolf... , Best off seeing someone who uses staghounds over in the states and get something well bred for the purpose.

 

coyote and wolf no problem , what kind of breed are you running Ian ?

[Bigshrimp 5]

it would depend on your target species IE are you going to be doing more rabbit hunting or more coyote hunting .... to specifie a ''type'' of lurcher that dog can only excel at one job and be sufficiant at the others so whatever YOU decide to hunt will dictate what type of cross should be used ........

Definitely rabbit (90% of the time).

 

We do have the opportunity for al the species I listed and I could hunt specifically for any of them my emphasis will be on rabbit.

[Bigshrimp 5]

if you realy wanted to go mad substitute the greyhound for a greyhoundx Scottish Deerhound , that cross'd take all your stuff and Santas Reindeer to!

[bird 9,916]

Sorry for a most basic question here....but why create a lurcher and outcross the sighthounds with another breed?

 

What is it that the sighthound breeds lack that another breed gives, considering the resulting loss of speed?

 

 

 

Also, what are the advantages/differences of the different crosses (e.g. colliexgreyhound, bedlingtonxwhippet, bull terrierxgreyhound, etc.)? Is the specific cross decided upon based on the prey being hunted, land type, personal preference, or a bit of each??

 

 

 

I tried to find this answer myself with some searches but please direct me to another sight/thread if this has been answered elsewhere.

 

 

Most lurchers are x with a Greyhound, which is fast and some can it 40mph. As fast as they are, they dont have good [stamina]. A lurcher was [created] as Socks as said for differnt Quarry, which the dog would hunt on a regular-basis. The speed was there from the grey,[ and Stamina+Tenacity+Brains ]from other breeds, and with a bit of Luck you should end up with a lurcher. Another[ 2 things] you get fom a lurcher what ever the x, 1) Great Temp, 2) a very Healthy Dog, As most [X] bred Dogs are. Ive had them 25 years, and to me they are the [best] dogs in the world what ever the x.

[Guest anonymous]

the sighthound is there to provide the speed and not a lot else really ... the other cross will depend on what quarry you are going to hunt the dog on ... for example if you needed a dog with plenty of sagacity intelligence patience for a daytime rabbiting dog then you would use collie in the mix .... pre ban if you needed a dog to takle game that bites back then you would add bull blood to the mix similarly a dog needed for hares would have an injection of saluki added for the stamina .... you then have the composite mixes of lurcher to lurcher because both parents are good workers .... at some stage of breeding lurcher to lurcher you will need to throw in a bit more sighthound blood to ensure you keep the speed unless you are line breeding a particularly racy type of cross ............

 

I agree with most of that apart from the first line. One of the most important qualities I feel a greyhound provides is jealousy. The more jealousy a greyhound has in it the better in my book. If you get a dog that will burst a heart to be in front of a chase then you have a good dog. You can tell a lot about a dog when its been doubled up with another dog and it doesn't catch the quarry. If it walks away without as much as a bite, 9/10 it hasn't got it. If it grabs the quarry off the other dog and refuses to let go, then....