Pistols

[Deker 3,478]

Sorry guys I've just read the biggest load of pish about the inaccuracy of pistols .

I have been a competitive pistol and rifle shooter for over 23 years, shot for various clubs at Police Pistol 1 , Police Pistol 2, Police Pistol 1500 , NPA service Pistol B ,NRA service pistol A (Browning only)and Practical Pistol all shot between 50 and 10 meters I was also in the RNR and shot for them (Pistol ,SLR and SMG ). I have competed in the last 10 pistol AD meetings at Bisly before pistols were banned.

 

I have owned 9mm ,10mm 38, 357, 44 and 45 calibre pistols and never found any of them inaccurate. Its the person holding it that makes it inaccurate.

 

There is a fair amount of comments about the accuracy of 9mm, one of the best rounds is 2Z military ball ammo. If I had the choice I would shoot this stuff all the time. One of the best combinations I had was my Browning HP Competition with 2Z ammo.

 

There is a big differance in target (paper punshing) and having a gun for personal protection or military use.

My Target pistol was a Davis Grade4 38special, it shot 148grain hollow based wadcutter ammo with 2.8 grains of Vith 310 powder. If I had to pick a package for personal protection it would be a Browning High Power Competition or a standard High Power and 2Z.

 

The most accurate pistol I have ever shot was a Sig 210-6 (9mm) what a gun!!!

 

All pistols I have ever owned would shoot a 2 to 4" group out to 50m My Davis would put 6 rounds in less tha an inch at 25m on problem. The factor that makes them not accurate is the person holding it and the trigger pull .With a pistol you cant flinch!

So sorry guys pistols are just as accurate as rifles in the correct hands.

 

"A pistol shooter can shoot rifles accuratly but a rifle shooter can't shoot pistols accuratly" .

 

 

 

 

Sorry about the spelling

 

 

Oh dear...a little bold this one I think....

 

By "correct hands" .....

 

I take it you mean an Olympic standard Pistol shooter compared to a back garden air rifle plinker!!

[Mr Adventure 0]

Sorry guys I've just read the biggest load of pish about the inaccuracy of pistols .

I have been a competitive pistol and rifle shooter for over 23 years, shot for various clubs at Police Pistol 1 , Police Pistol 2, Police Pistol 1500 , NPA service Pistol B ,NRA service pistol A (Browning only)and Practical Pistol all shot between 50 and 10 meters I was also in the RNR and shot for them (Pistol ,SLR and SMG ). I have competed in the last 10 pistol AD meetings at Bisly before pistols were banned.

 

I have owned 9mm ,10mm 38, 357, 44 and 45 calibre pistols and never found any of them inaccurate. Its the person holding it that makes it inaccurate.

 

There is a fair amount of comments about the accuracy of 9mm, one of the best rounds is 2Z military ball ammo. If I had the choice I would shoot this stuff all the time. One of the best combinations I had was my Browning HP Competition with 2Z ammo.

 

There is a big differance in target (paper punshing) and having a gun for personal protection or military use.

My Target pistol was a Davis Grade4 38special, it shot 148grain hollow based wadcutter ammo with 2.8 grains of Vith 310 powder. If I had to pick a package for personal protection it would be a Browning High Power Competition or a standard High Power and 2Z.

 

The most accurate pistol I have ever shot was a Sig 210-6 (9mm) what a gun!!!

 

All pistols I have ever owned would shoot a 2 to 4" group out to 50m My Davis would put 6 rounds in less tha an inch at 25m on problem. The factor that makes them not accurate is the person holding it and the trigger pull .With a pistol you cant flinch!

So sorry guys pistols are just as accurate as rifles in the correct hands.

 

"A pistol shooter can shoot rifles accuratly but a rifle shooter can't shoot pistols accuratly" .

 

 

 

 

Sorry about the spelling

 

 

Oh dear...a little bold this one I think....

 

By "correct hands" .....

 

I take it you mean an Olympic standard Pistol shooter compared to a back garden air rifle plinker!!

 

 

I have not said any thing about air rifle? And I am bold!

[bullmastiff 615]

I think either your friends barrels bent or he's flinching as he takes the shot? missing a target by 2 feet is a lot! my first go with a browning hi power I put all 13 shots on the 12" target at 10 yds then 4 out of 6 with a S&W .44 Magnum. I was told by the instructor that both are relible, accurate weapons, but I suppose they might be a bit heavy for your mates kind of work?

Get him to check out the H&K USP compact .40, both lightweight and accurate?

 

I guess if he's lost faith in the gun performing then he needs to get shot of it anyway? you wouldn't want to be questioning a piece of kit when the shit hits the fan!

 

It also depends on what he can get? ideal world he could pick and choose but if he's stuck on a job, then you take what your given I suppose???

 

If he can get hold of lots of .40 S&W round's, again I'd recommend the H&K USP auto, It comes in numerous calibre's (including 9mm)but the .40 compact is worth a look for security work very accurate and now taken on by the Irish in place of the Hi-power so must be reliable?

 

Cheers again and let us know what he picks

 

Luke.

[adamthomas64 1]

well unfortunately i do not know much about pistols as the ban was brought in before i ever had chance o learn, but i do know that the browning hi power 9mm is used by the SAS so it must be a prtty accurate and reliable weapon to be used by one of the most elite special forces teams inthe world it must be a pretty decent bit of kit.

 

 

Sorry about the spelling

[rjimmer 4]

I had thought that each special services person was allowed to choose their own weapons and that H&K was the favourite. Perhaps each unit chooses collectively, OR NOT.

[mountainman01 0]

How has everybody over looked the superb pistols on offer from Sig Sauer, p226, 228, 229? Fantastic pistols, accurate, reliable and really easy to learn to use. For me, it would be a Sig every time given the choice. Obviously, as with any firearm, only as accurate as the hands they are in.

 

Hi Adam, I'm sorry to tell you that the guys at Hereford and at Poole havent used the high power for many years now, they tend to use Sigs now, obviously task dependant though. The high power did do a fairly good job but just better, more modern things on the market now.

 

Cheers,

Paul.

[Deker 3,478]

well unfortunately i do not know much about pistols as the ban was brought in before i ever had chance o learn, but i do know that the browning hi power 9mm is used by the SAS so it must be a prtty accurate and reliable weapon to be used by one of the most elite special forces teams inthe world it must be a pretty decent bit of kit.

 

 

Sorry about the spelling

 

 

 

Personal comment suggests to me that just about every squaddie in the UK who has a Browning strapped on his leg wishes for a Beretta!!

[RicW 67]

How has everybody over looked the superb pistols on offer from Sig Sauer, p226, 228, 229? Fantastic pistols, accurate, reliable and really easy to learn to use. For me, it would be a Sig every time given the choice. Obviously, as with any firearm, only as accurate as the hands they are in.

 

Hi Adam, I'm sorry to tell you that the guys at Hereford and at Poole havent used the high power for many years now, they tend to use Sigs now, obviously task dependant though. The high power did do a fairly good job but just better, more modern things on the market now.

 

Cheers,

Paul.

During the American Forces tests for a NATO pistol the most accurate was the SIG-Sauer Pi18. The slide runs inside the frame, so there is no barrel movement. Too pricey for the Quartermaster-General so he settled for the Beretta 92S, adopted as the M9. The American Army still want to go back to using 45acp. May not be quite as accurate but it's one round drop at 25 yards. 9mm Parabellum takes two to give 90% probability of a drop. The most lethal, drop down dead, pistol round ever was the British Army Manstopper. .455 cal, cylindrical, flat ended, soft lead, 250gr, 650 fps m/v.

Ric.

[hiho 5]

How has everybody over looked the superb pistols on offer from Sig Sauer, p226, 228, 229? Fantastic pistols, accurate, reliable and really easy to learn to use. For me, it would be a Sig every time given the choice. Obviously, as with any firearm, only as accurate as the hands they are in.

 

Hi Adam, I'm sorry to tell you that the guys at Hereford and at Poole havent used the high power for many years now, they tend to use Sigs now, obviously task dependant though. The high power did do a fairly good job but just better, more modern things on the market now.

 

Cheers,

Paul.

During the American Forces tests for a NATO pistol the most accurate was the SIG-Sauer Pi18. The slide runs inside the frame, so there is no barrel movement. Too pricey for the Quartermaster-General so he settled for the Beretta 92S, adopted as the M9. The American Army still want to go back to using 45acp. May not be quite as accurate but it's one round drop at 25 yards. 9mm Parabellum takes two to give 90% probability of a drop. The most lethal, drop down dead, pistol round ever was the British Army Manstopper. .455 cal, cylindrical, flat ended, soft lead, 250gr, 650 fps m/v.

Ric.

i think your rong on the most lethal handgun round ever http://www.chuckhawks.com/825_magnum.htm 750gr bullet

[SportingShooter 0]

How has everybody over looked the superb pistols on offer from Sig Sauer, p226, 228, 229? Fantastic pistols, accurate, reliable and really easy to learn to use. For me, it would be a Sig every time given the choice. Obviously, as with any firearm, only as accurate as the hands they are in.

 

Hi Adam, I'm sorry to tell you that the guys at Hereford and at Poole havent used the high power for many years now, they tend to use Sigs now, obviously task dependant though. The high power did do a fairly good job but just better, more modern things on the market now.

 

Cheers,

Paul.

During the American Forces tests for a NATO pistol the most accurate was the SIG-Sauer Pi18. The slide runs inside the frame, so there is no barrel movement. Too pricey for the Quartermaster-General so he settled for the Beretta 92S, adopted as the M9. The American Army still want to go back to using 45acp. May not be quite as accurate but it's one round drop at 25 yards. 9mm Parabellum takes two to give 90% probability of a drop. The most lethal, drop down dead, pistol round ever was the British Army Manstopper. .455 cal, cylindrical, flat ended, soft lead, 250gr, 650 fps m/v.

Ric.

i think your rong on the most lethal handgun round ever http://www.chuckhawks.com/825_magnum.htm 750gr bullet

"You can shoot a Deer with an Elephant gun but it will only die if you shoot it in the right place"

[RicW 67]

How has everybody over looked the superb pistols on offer from Sig Sauer, p226, 228, 229? Fantastic pistols, accurate, reliable and really easy to learn to use. For me, it would be a Sig every time given the choice. Obviously, as with any firearm, only as accurate as the hands they are in.

 

Hi Adam, I'm sorry to tell you that the guys at Hereford and at Poole havent used the high power for many years now, they tend to use Sigs now, obviously task dependant though. The high power did do a fairly good job but just better, more modern things on the market now.

 

Cheers,

Paul.

During the American Forces tests for a NATO pistol the most accurate was the SIG-Sauer Pi18. The slide runs inside the frame, so there is no barrel movement. Too pricey for the Quartermaster-General so he settled for the Beretta 92S, adopted as the M9. The American Army still want to go back to using 45acp. May not be quite as accurate but it's one round drop at 25 yards. 9mm Parabellum takes two to give 90% probability of a drop. The most lethal, drop down dead, pistol round ever was the British Army Manstopper. .455 cal, cylindrical, flat ended, soft lead, 250gr, 650 fps m/v.

Ric.

i think your rong on the most lethal handgun round ever http://www.chuckhawks.com/825_magnum.htm 750gr bullet

NOT a good idea to fall out about this one . . .Have a look at some of the sites about muzzle energy. The point is, it don't matter how much energy the round carries, it's how much energy it transfers to the quarry. The manstopper carried abt 250 ft.lbs and put the lot into whatever it hit. The magnum rounds carry a lot more energy but most of it gets wasted cos they exit.

Ric

[RicW 67]

How has everybody over looked the superb pistols on offer from Sig Sauer, p226, 228, 229? Fantastic pistols, accurate, reliable and really easy to learn to use. For me, it would be a Sig every time given the choice. Obviously, as with any firearm, only as accurate as the hands they are in.

 

Hi Adam, I'm sorry to tell you that the guys at Hereford and at Poole havent used the high power for many years now, they tend to use Sigs now, obviously task dependant though. The high power did do a fairly good job but just better, more modern things on the market now.

 

Cheers,

Paul.

During the American Forces tests for a NATO pistol the most accurate was the SIG-Sauer Pi18. The slide runs inside the frame, so there is no barrel movement. Too pricey for the Quartermaster-General so he settled for the Beretta 92S, adopted as the M9. The American Army still want to go back to using 45acp. May not be quite as accurate but it's one round drop at 25 yards. 9mm Parabellum takes two to give 90% probability of a drop. The most lethal, drop down dead, pistol round ever was the British Army Manstopper. .455 cal, cylindrical, flat ended, soft lead, 250gr, 650 fps m/v.

Ric.

i think your rong on the most lethal handgun round ever http://www.chuckhawks.com/825_magnum.htm 750gr bullet

Just looked at that site. Laughed so much I fell off my chair. :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:

[buzzys410 0]

I have to agree about the 9mm sig, brilliant gun, when i was out in the states i used quite a few from the 9mm up to a snub nose smith and wesson .50 cal. but the sig was the best out of all the ones i used, the 45 cal was a good un also.

mitch

[mellaway 0]

Hi,

He could try changing his stance, I found that when firing (I was in the RAF Regiment) as we were told ie both arms outstretched with both hands on the weapon (I have fired the browning 9mm, Berretta 9mm and colt 45 magnum) I was a poor shot, however if I relaxed my arms and held them bent with the weapon mid chest level I was one of the best shots on the squadron. It looked unorthodox and I used to get a few funny looks but it worked for me!