Dispatch

[steviemann 5]

Hello chaps am interested to hear your opinions on prefered pistols for end of dig.

I started out with a .22 but felt I wanted something bigger so got a DB .410. Too loud for my liking so am looking to upgrade .38?

[steviemann 5]

im with rodsmith on this one

I'd have to get rid of she who must be obayed first.

Not a bad thing really!!!!!!!!!!

[donnyc 1,203]

Yeah look really well in front of hounds Keep with the .410 they do a proper job from a fox to a horse

[Dabhand 887]

if your with hounds let the hounds do the job

[steviemann 5]

22 is good enough for the job like donny says 410 is a cracking weapon i have also used 38 professionally from foxes to horses but its a lot noisier than either of the other mentioned weapons in my eyes you cant beat the 410 pistol it can be used for anything i tend to use the accles and shevolke for all humane slaughter nowadays and the 410 for earth work around hounds ect its only my opinion but all my use of theses weapons has been on an everyday proffesional use. the 38 isnt really necessary at all unless you are shooting horses and bulls regular and even then the 22 captive bolt is quieter and cheaper

I agree with you and DC but as a matter of interest my FAO said 5 year ago when I got the .410 approved, in the eyes of the law it was to used on "vermin in and around barns only"

So for this reason and of course the fact that I fancied a proper handgun I asked the question in the first place.

DC I could be available tomorrow if needed.

[Guest rodsmith]

Yeah look really well in front of hounds Keep with the .410 they do a proper job from a fox to a horse

 

there was no mention of hounds.

[J Darcy 5,871]

Use your brains here lads....

[Guest rodsmith]

Use your brains here lads....

 

use our brains. .meaning what??

what do you use,a shovel??

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

[Aaron 3]

.22 is perfectly fine for humane dispatch, thats what i use, why you feel the need for a .38 for fox is beyond me, fair enough if your dealing with cattle etc, even then i only use a .32.

[Aaron 3]

.22 is perfectly fine for humane dispatch, thats what i use, why you feel the need for a .38 for fox is beyond me, fair enough if your dealing with cattle etc, even then i only use a .32.

[J Darcy 5,871]

Use your brains here lads....

 

use our brains. .meaning what??

what do you use,a shovel??

 

Meaning......That it is illegal to use dogs in the hole end for "drawing" etc.....

Be it hounds or Bullcrosses or Shit-zu's, its illegal. The only legal method is with a Firearm if i am not much mistaken.

 

The less said about such methods on the net the better ...IMO.

[Guest busterdog]

Probably get shit for this of know it alls but still I'll tell you any way.

A couple of years ago a keeper friend of mine rang and told me a story about losing his two terriers to ground, nothing unusual for keepers your all thinking, but its how he lost them that's important. He had dug his old terrier out to a fox a few foot deep and dispatched the fox with his shotgun, he then let's his terrier in to retrieve the body and get his reward, he also let in a unentered pup to have a look and bingo the pup's pulling away at Charlie to. Now this is where it starts to go tit's up wards, he pours himself a cup of tea and has a natter to his mate, after a minute or two he realizes the dogs are a bit quiet, back he go's but it's to late, both dog's are dead. Now your all thinking bollocks, but that's not the end of my little story, smart arse that i am i think to my self what a load of bollock's, his dog's must of stashed and he's banged em. The next day I'm exercising my dog when he gets in a drain behind my house, don't panic i tells myself phoned my son and down he comes with shotgun and shovel, i opened up the drain end and there he is "Charlie" couldn't reach him but could with the gun, it was a safe shot all of the fox blocking all of the tube, and there was a good tight bend in the drain, so i took the shot, ten or twenty minutes went by still no dog so fu*k it i smash the drain, only to find one dead fox and a very dead dog. Before any numpty says i shot my own dog bollocks, there wasn't a single mark on him, i know because i tore my self to pieces and had a damned good look.

 

What I've bin trying to say is be very careful when and where you use a shotgun in holes, the gasses are lethal, if i had the choice then I'd stick to .22. I've had .22 and 38 professionally but thought the .38 was to much of a gun for what was needed.

 

If in any doubt then go to any hole put in your shotgun and pull the trigger! you wont be able to see if you've killed anything for five minutes till all the smoke has cleared, that should tell you all you need to now.

Edited May 25, 2009 by busterdog

[Guest busterdog]

Probably get shit for this of know it alls but still I'll tell you any way.

A couple of years ago a keeper friend of mine rang and told me a story about losing his two terriers to ground, nothing unusual for keepers your all thinking, but its how he lost them that's important. He had dug his old terrier out to a fox a few foot deep and dispatched the fox with his shotgun, he then let's his terrier in to retrieve the body and get his reward, he also let in a unentered pup to have a look and bingo the pup's pulling away at Charlie to. Now this is where it starts to go tit's up wards, he pours himself a cup of tea and has a natter to his mate, after a minute or two he realizes the dogs are a bit quiet, back he go's but it's to late, both dog's are dead. Now your all thinking bollocks, but that's not the end of my little story, smart arse that i am i think to my self what a load of bollock's, his dog's must of stashed and he's banged em. The next day I'm exercising my dog when he gets in a drain behind my house, don't panic i tells myself phoned my son and down he comes with shotgun and shovel, i opened up the drain end and there he is "Charlie" couldn't reach him but could with the gun, it was a safe shot all of the fox blocking all of the tube, and there was a good tight bend in the drain, so i took the shot, ten or twenty minutes went by still no dog so fu*k it i smash the drain, only to find one dead fox and a very dead dog. Before any numpty says i shot my own dog bollocks, there wasn't a single mark on him, i know because i tore my self to pieces and had a damned good look.

 

What I've bin trying to say is be very careful when and where you use a shotgun in holes, the gasses are lethal, if i had the choice then I'd stick to .22. I've had .22 and 38 professionally but thought the .38 was to much of a gun for what was needed.

 

If in any doubt then go to any hole put in your shotgun and pull the trigger! you wont be able to see if you've killed anything for five minutes till all the smoke has cleared, that should tell you all you need to now.

i fully agree with wat you are saying but why shoot point blanck a shotgun wouldnt spread until a few mtres so a shottie pointed in the direction of the quarry would be adequate without the muzzle of the gun even entering the hole i have shot bulls at three and four metres with a shotgun [bANNED TEXT] they have gone bad and there is a hole the size of a fifty pence piece and that was with just everyday loads nothing special so true the gases could be dangerous but if it is shot from out of the dig then surely the gases would disperse

 

Totally agree mate just not every dig ends in text book circumcises, when i shot that fox it was piont blank, i couldn't reach it but i could reach it with one arm fully streched so the gun was on his arse.

I also would say that you don't always break in spot on the terriers neck, so charlie may be reluctant to come that last foot or two, and what if it's real tight and he won't come, all situations where you've got to put the gun up the hole to save the dog any more pain and to get the job done quicker.

[Guest busterdog]

Probably get shit for this of know it alls but still I'll tell you any way.

A couple of years ago a keeper friend of mine rang and told me a story about losing his two terriers to ground, nothing unusual for keepers your all thinking, but its how he lost them that's important. He had dug his old terrier out to a fox a few foot deep and dispatched the fox with his shotgun, he then let's his terrier in to retrieve the body and get his reward, he also let in a unentered pup to have a look and bingo the pup's pulling away at Charlie to. Now this is where it starts to go tit's up wards, he pours himself a cup of tea and has a natter to his mate, after a minute or two he realizes the dogs are a bit quiet, back he go's but it's to late, both dog's are dead. Now your all thinking bollocks, but that's not the end of my little story, smart arse that i am i think to my self what a load of bollock's, his dog's must of stashed and he's banged em. The next day I'm exercising my dog when he gets in a drain behind my house, don't panic i tells myself phoned my son and down he comes with shotgun and shovel, i opened up the drain end and there he is "Charlie" couldn't reach him but could with the gun, it was a safe shot all of the fox blocking all of the tube, and there was a good tight bend in the drain, so i took the shot, ten or twenty minutes went by still no dog so fu*k it i smash the drain, only to find one dead fox and a very dead dog. Before any numpty says i shot my own dog bollocks, there wasn't a single mark on him, i know because i tore my self to pieces and had a damned good look.

 

What I've bin trying to say is be very careful when and where you use a shotgun in holes, the gasses are lethal, if i had the choice then I'd stick to .22. I've had .22 and 38 professionally but thought the .38 was to much of a gun for what was needed.

 

If in any doubt then go to any hole put in your shotgun and pull the trigger! you wont be able to see if you've killed anything for five minutes till all the smoke has cleared, that should tell you all you need to now.

i fully agree with wat you are saying but why shoot point blanck a shotgun wouldnt spread until a few mtres so a shottie pointed in the direction of the quarry would be adequate without the muzzle of the gun even entering the hole i have shot bulls at three and four metres with a shotgun [bANNED TEXT] they have gone bad and there is a hole the size of a fifty pence piece and that was with just everyday loads nothing special so true the gases could be dangerous but if it is shot from out of the dig then surely the gases would disperse

 

Totally agree mate just not every dig ends in text book circumcises, when i shot that fox it was piont blank, i couldn't reach it but i could reach it with one arm fully streched so the gun was on his arse.

I also would say that you don't always break in spot on the terriers neck, so charlie may be reluctant to come that last foot or two, and what if it's real tight and he won't come, all situations where you've got to put the gun up the hole to save the dog any more pain and to get the job done quicker.