Thoughts on breeding your own line

[Guy12 0]

Hello all

 

Never bred from my dogs before but do hope to in the future when im more settled.

 

Having worked lurchers with both collie blood and bull blood in them i have always thought how producing a dog with both may end up with a useful animal. My ideal result would be a dog with intelligence, game, good looks, strong stature, stamina and being able to multi task with different working environments, eg, working with ferrets and hunting up the odd game bird. Thinking out loud here

 

I love the look of a strong collie cross aswell as a bull cross hence my interest with these two crosses.

 

If any one have any thoughts or experience with this cross, pics etc would be appreciated.

 

Thinking a strong 3/4 grey 1/4 bull to a collie/grey may be handy animal or the other way round

 

thanks for reading

 

[coursing_lad 45]

breeding in genreal should never be a light thoughted task , but breeding a ( line) ect , is even more of a challenge as it takes a few years , its finding the right parents , the right breed for yourself , not what will appeal to others , as you so rightfully stated , the collie grey and the bull grey together are a good combo put together , well the collie grey x bull grey ive seen are , but the one ive seen run had a touch of saluki in there , but a good all round dog that knows the score ,

 

you wont go wrong with them together IMO.

CL

[arcticgun 4,548]

There is probaly enough decent breeding lines out there already, using worker to worker, without others adding to the pot, to many dogs are already sat in pounds and wandering the streets, without others adding to the problem. I do understand people taking a lining from a dog that is special to them, but they should ensure that all the pups are going to a decent home, prior to considering it.

 

Atvb Richard

Edited May 23, 2009 by arcticgun

[Guest dances]

but these lines arent HIS are they.

[arcticgun 4,548]

but these lines arent HIS are they.

 

No mate there not, even more reason not to bother IMHO, atb Richard

[Guy12 0]

cheers for reply coursing lad.

 

Started this thread to get some thoughts on what you guys/gals think of the merits of this type of lurcher, thats all no lectures on breeding rights

 

 

Keen on seeing any pictures of folk who keep any collie bull greyhound crossed out there..thanks

[Guest fence_hopper]

no effence to anyone but i think the colliex would gain more by adding bull than the bullx would by adding collie....only my opinion don't understand why people put collie blood into bullx's there good as they are..alb al

[dirtwinger 235]

There is probaly enough decent breeding lines out there already, using worker to worker, without others adding to the pot, to many dogs are already sat in pounds and wandering the streets, without others adding to the problem. I do understand people taking a lining from a dog that is special to them, but they should ensure that all the pups are going to a decent home, prior to considering it.

 

Atvb Richard

I agree with what your saying but there is nothing intrinsicley wrong with breeding your own line. Several things need to be in place first, first and foremost the dogs need to have been proven before being bred. They may not be what you are aiming for in the long run but they must be able to produce useful dogs. Your goal is to produce one or two you will keep but just as importantly you must plan for homes for all the other pups you will produce.

I am developing my own line here in the US simply because no one breeds what I want. I still waited nine years between litters. Once I had customers lined up I decided to breed, some of my customers have been waiting for four years for a pup so preparation is important. Breeding a line is not a simple decision and you need to plan ahead up to ten years. In the UK it is probably easier to buy what you want as it will be available somewhere, it is perhaps better to pay more for what you want and travel to get it if need be. It will probably be cheaper in the long run and less stressful.

 

All the best Dirtwinger

[billy the kid 1984 1]

Hello all

 

Never bred from my dogs before but do hope to in the future when im more settled.

 

Having worked lurchers with both collie blood and bull blood in them i have always thought how producing a dog with both may end up with a useful animal. My ideal result would be a dog with intelligence, game, good looks, strong stature, stamina and being able to multi task with different working environments, eg, working with ferrets and hunting up the odd game bird. Thinking out loud here

 

I love the look of a strong collie cross aswell as a bull cross hence my interest with these two crosses.

 

If any one have any thoughts or experience with this cross, pics etc would be appreciated.

 

Thinking a strong 3/4 grey 1/4 bull to a collie/grey may be handy animal or the other way round

 

thanks for reading

 

try get some saluki in there mate

[coursing_lad 45]

IMO - everyone as the right to breed from their own stock - just hopfully for the right reasons , that you want to add something your current dog lacks , i,e stamina , or more brain such as adding collie ect or even because you want to add to your kennels from one of your own , and not breeding for profit , aslong as both parents are proving honest grafters , they shudnt be a problem ,

 

CL

[kreet 0]

the problem with creating a good line is no matter how carefully you pick the owners for your pups there is always going to be someone with a pup out a dog you breads dads dad that is suposedly your line. im looking at starting a line but the dogs i use to make it will be chosen then i and a few mates will keep a pup or two then any dog being moved on from the litter dog or bitch will be neutered and found a suitable working home its the only way to know exactly what dogs are from your line and who is using what dogs from your line etc rather than starting a line that ends up with 20 studs here and there all over the country after all your line is your line because you carefully select dogs to make the line no point in having diluted blood all over the country thats such and such line etc. If i buy a bullx say pie line then 3 years later put it to any old half x i wouldnt advertise pie line pups i would advertise bullx's unless sire and dam were mostly made up of pie lines plus as far as im concerned a pie dogs only a pie dog if it comes from that kennel a punch dog is only one if its out that specific line and kennel a hancocks a hancock cause hanckock breads it not because you buy a hancock and bread it to a greyhound its no longer a hancock bread dog in my eyes as hancock didnt bread it .

[Guest fence_hopper]

the problem with creating a good line is no matter how carefully you pick the owners for your pups there is always going to be someone with a pup out a dog you breads dads dad that is suposedly your line. im looking at starting a line but the dogs i use to make it will be chosen then i and a few mates will keep a pup or two then any dog being moved on from the litter dog or bitch will be neutered and found a suitable working home its the only way to know exactly what dogs are from your line and who is using what dogs from your line etc rather than starting a line that ends up with 20 studs here and there all over the country after all your line is your line because you carefully select dogs to make the line no point in having diluted blood all over the country thats such and such line etc. If i buy a bullx say pie line then 3 years later put it to any old half x i wouldnt advertise pie line pups i would advertise bullx's unless sire and dam were mostly made up of pie lines plus as far as im concerned a pie dogs only a pie dog if it comes from that kennel a punch dog is only one if its out that specific line and kennel a hancocks a hancock cause hanckock breads it not because you buy a hancock and bread it to a greyhound its no longer a hancock bread dog in my eyes as hancock didnt bread it .

 

 

now theres a man with experience on buying selling breeding, take his words of wisdom

[bird 10,005]

There is probaly enough decent breeding lines out there already, using worker to worker, without others adding to the pot, to many dogs are already sat in pounds and wandering the streets, without others adding to the problem. I do understand people taking a lining from a dog that is special to them, but they should ensure that all the pups are going to a decent home, prior to considering it.

 

Atvb Richard

 

 

Spot on, its alot easier to bring a pup in from good working lines, and even then you still dont know if it will be good.? Breeding dogs is something, not to be taken lightly it can be alot of Agro

[threbb 0]

There is probaly enough decent breeding lines out there already, using worker to worker, without others adding to the pot, to many dogs are already sat in pounds and wandering the streets, without others adding to the problem. I do understand people taking a lining from a dog that is special to them, but they should ensure that all the pups are going to a decent home, prior to considering it.

 

Atvb Richard

I agree with what your saying but there is nothing intrinsicley wrong with breeding your own line. Several things need to be in place first, first and foremost the dogs need to have been proven before being bred. They may not be what you are aiming for in the long run but they must be able to produce useful dogs. Your goal is to produce one or two you will keep but just as importantly you must plan for homes for all the other pups you will produce.

I am developing my own line here in the US simply because no one breeds what I want. I still waited nine years between litters. Once I had customers lined up I decided to breed, some of my customers have been waiting for four years for a pup so preparation is important. Breeding a line is not a simple decision and you need to plan ahead up to ten years. In the UK it is probably easier to buy what you want as it will be available somewhere, it is perhaps better to pay more for what you want and travel to get it if need be. It will probably be cheaper in the long run and less stressful.

 

All the best Dirtwinger

I think if you want to avoid stress and are keen on saving money I agree dont get involved in working dog breeding.Why nine years between litters and how do you create a family or a line by doing that?.It is very difficult to guarantee homes in advance unless the parents are good at what they do and everyone knows it but if you have an ideal in mind and you are breeding a line then shouldnt your priorities be with the stock you are keeping for work and to produce the next generation and not with the surplus.If you spend to much time worrying about what you dont want i think you might fail.

[threbb 0]

the problem with creating a good line is no matter how carefully you pick the owners for your pups there is always going to be someone with a pup out a dog you breads dads dad that is suposedly your line. im looking at starting a line but the dogs i use to make it will be chosen then i and a few mates will keep a pup or two then any dog being moved on from the litter dog or bitch will be neutered and found a suitable working home its the only way to know exactly what dogs are from your line and who is using what dogs from your line etc rather than starting a line that ends up with 20 studs here and there all over the country after all your line is your line because you carefully select dogs to make the line no point in having diluted blood all over the country thats such and such line etc. If i buy a bullx say pie line then 3 years later put it to any old half x i wouldnt advertise pie line pups i would advertise bullx's unless sire and dam were mostly made up of pie lines plus as far as im concerned a pie dogs only a pie dog if it comes from that kennel a punch dog is only one if its out that specific line and kennel a hancocks a hancock cause hanckock breads it not because you buy a hancock and bread it to a greyhound its no longer a hancock bread dog in my eyes as hancock didnt bread it .

I agree with that.dead on.Its a shame some shit dogs are sold in the name of good ones.