riohog 5,721 Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 because 99.9 prcent of people running round at night shooting dont have a clue whats behind the annimal there shooting at;and shooting down the beam of light dosent give you a wide enough field of vision to make it safe.i bet your one of the safe ones though. you can never be to carefull but ive been doing it for nearly 40 years so hopefully ive learnt something Quote Link to post
AL BUNDY 45 Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 the thing that got me with the shooting brigade walking about with their cock extensions shooting robins and puddles ffs they think there better than people with lurchers the biggest majority when asked to sign petitions before the ban refused . saying it didnt affect them the fishermen were just as bad had one arguing coursing was cruel but fishing wasnt .know a guy thats probaly done more shooting than most on here his sole aim is too wipe out everything that breathes Quote Link to post
Guest anonymous Posted May 24, 2009 Report Share Posted May 24, 2009 the thing that got me with the shooting brigade walking about with their cock extensions shooting robins and puddles ffs they think there better than people with lurchers the biggest majority when asked to sign petitions before the ban refused . saying it didnt affect them the fishermen were just as bad had one arguing coursing was cruel but fishing wasnt .know a guy thats probaly done more shooting than most on here his sole aim is too wipe out everything that breathes I think this is the biggest problem with them. I remember being at a game fair when a member of BASC approached me, his first words were, I reckon your a shooting man. When I replied, no, Lurcher man, you'd have thought I suddenly turned into a piece of shit on his shoe. He couldn't get away from me quick enough but I didn't let him. Ohhhhhhhhh no, I gave him both barrels.... How my chosen sport was banned, how the said shooting guys done f**k all to prevent it. Aye, it was a case of, I'm all right Jill, f**k you. Well, when the anti's start circling the shooting brigade and fisherman, and these same jokers start wanting support, they can go forth and multiply!!! Quote Link to post
AL BUNDY 45 Posted May 24, 2009 Report Share Posted May 24, 2009 the thing that got me with the shooting brigade walking about with their cock extensions shooting robins and puddles ffs they think there better than people with lurchers the biggest majority when asked to sign petitions before the ban refused . saying it didnt affect them the fishermen were just as bad had one arguing coursing was cruel but fishing wasnt .know a guy thats probaly done more shooting than most on here his sole aim is too wipe out everything that breathes I think this is the biggest problem with them. I remember being at a game fair when a member of BASC approached me, his first words were, I reckon your a shooting man. When I replied, no, Lurcher man, you'd have thought I suddenly turned into a piece of shit on his shoe. He couldn't get away from me quick enough but I didn't let him. Ohhhhhhhhh no, I gave him both barrels.... How my chosen sport was banned, how the said shooting guys done f**k all to prevent it. Aye, it was a case of, I'm all right Jill, f**k you. Well, when the anti's start circling the shooting brigade and fisherman, and these same jokers start wanting support, they can go forth and multiply!!! a few years ago was coming back across some permission with the dogs when iwas getting the haw you treatment wtf are you doing here after a few introductions were exchanged they dissapeared up their own arse they then admited they didnt have the right to be there but were going to ask . the farmer next door had told them i was on with dogs . they got booted off the farm they had . lots more tales of the same nature . nothing will change its bred into them . Quote Link to post
redeye jedi 39 Posted May 24, 2009 Report Share Posted May 24, 2009 some people on here are so narrow minded. i dont own a lurcher because im in the army and work away from home, i dont have the time to give the animal my full attention which is a must when owning a dog. just because i dont run dogs doesn't mean i dont agree with it. everyone has a choice of how to hunt, neither is right or wrong its personnel preference. As for the "wheres the skill in that" comment, go buy yourself a rifle and try and hit a 2p at different distances factoring in wind and elavations. it takes more skill than you can imagine. ATB REDEYE Quote Link to post
Sterry 0 Posted May 24, 2009 Report Share Posted May 24, 2009 Right this is how i see the situation: Some of The dog gentlmen and ladies are accusing shooting as being unskilled, not essential and inhumane...Now i dont see the need for this argument (which is what its turned into), the hunting,shooting,fishing and general country side fraternities should pull together as we're all in the medias spot light. I myself, have ferrets but i do by and large shoot more (due to seasons), i shoot rabbit bolted by my ferrets, and i net them. So how this shooting can be classed as "Easy" i do not know. As for the ban on shooting at night, Why on earth would you suggest that, im not experience with dogs agreed but it would have to be a darn good dog to catch as many rabbits as a silenced rifle with a NV scope on....its just not goin to happen. agreed running dogs have there place, i would love one but i woulndt class it in the same league as a rifle as a pest control tool. And lastly, for the stereotype of a shooter wanting to kill everything...thats far from the truth, im sure there are some but by jovahh are they outnumbered hundred fold by the ones just wanting to shoot a few. Quote Link to post
Guest anonymous Posted May 24, 2009 Report Share Posted May 24, 2009 some people on here are so narrow minded. i dont own a lurcher because im in the army and work away from home, i dont have the time to give the animal my full attention which is a must when owning a dog. just because i dont run dogs doesn't mean i dont agree with it. everyone has a choice of how to hunt, neither is right or wrong its personnel preference. As for the "wheres the skill in that" comment, go buy yourself a rifle and try and hit a 2p at different distances factoring in wind and elavations. it takes more skill than you can imagine.ATB REDEYE I shoot mate, most on here do. I'm the same as you, each to there own. It doesn't change the attitude that shooters have towards lurchermen. You admit you aren't a lurcherman so you don't know what we mean. I'll be honest, I know a lot of people who are in shooting syndicates and I'm friends with some of them. I'll still admit they are arrogant arseholes when it comes to shooting. Lazy b*****ds too but as I say each to there own. And when the antis come for them, which they will, I'll give them the same help they gave me. Fannies wouldn't even sign the f****n petition!!! Quote Link to post
old dog 210 Posted May 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2009 Its been interesting reading lads,but you are not answering my question,riohog&steviebhoy,im not saying its wrong,there are places where you can only control with a rifle,where it would be too dangerous to run a few dogs.The question i asked which is the best way to educate these people,shooting over ground where other boy's hunt with they're dogs also doing vermin control,which is the best way to educate them once you have shot everything thats in that area,there's nothing left for either of us,the conversations i have had with lads they always relate to the amount that they have shot,its that numbers game again,they don't relate to a particular shot that they took.Like we would say about a good hunt or a grand course that we had with our dogs,sitting in a jeep watching over a dead carcess all night,flicking a lamp on every half an hour and shooting what ever is standing next too it,GOOD SKILL IN THAT MATE,and i have done target shooting with a club so there's no need too go down that road,surely you can see there's a limit too what you can take out of an area before its too late for you and me.I was told by my grandfather as a young boy,its not the anti's i will have too worry about,its the people that hunt along side of us ,how true his words are to me now.As for shooting at night i don't care how long you been shooting,the land you walk over during the daytime is a different place at night,you can only guess that once you have pulled that trigger it was a safe shot,you can't tell me you know where that bullet ended up in that field,the amount of foxes i've seen dead lefted on the field with huge exit wounds, and jimmy tell me mate does that gun give you the same thrill and enjoyment as that good looking lurcher you have on your post .I've seen a big deduction in the fox population nobody wants too see him eliminated from our countryside least of all the farmers,when they don't pick up they're fallen stock they depend on him then too clean up behind them,there's only two months in the year when there's a real need for control and thats at lambing time.Another question why shoot through the year? all the best old dog Quote Link to post
Guest buster321c Posted May 24, 2009 Report Share Posted May 24, 2009 The "I dont like it so it must be wrong" or the "I dont like it so whoever does it must be arseholes" brigade should get a grip on here. I dont own a lurcher or terrier but i respect peoples choice of sport. Alot of the time[not always] the rifle is used for vermin control which is a far better way of taking care of a 'problem' such as rabbit control than using dogs.Lets face it lads the hunting game is a dying sport and it will only die quicker with some of the views expressed on here..............................................JUST BECAUSE YOU DONT DO IT DOESN'T MAKE IT WRONG!!!!!!!!! shooting at night with a rifle should be banned full stop its not sporting and it is not safe :wankerzo4: So is this just a pop at the shooters ? or everybody who does`nt have a running dog ? What about ( naming no names ) the traps and snares ? Quote Link to post
riohog 5,721 Posted May 24, 2009 Report Share Posted May 24, 2009 as ive said yes i shoot and i keep running dogs done both for many years both work for me day or night dont see a problem Quote Link to post
old dog 210 Posted May 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2009 no buster321c its not a crack at shooters its how do we work along side each other and not wipe out the countryside that we enjoy being in Quote Link to post
Guest anonymous Posted May 24, 2009 Report Share Posted May 24, 2009 I suppose there are arseholes in all sports. Infact, there are a couple on here I suppose it is a prejudice thing. But as AL pointed out, when it came to the ban, when we should have all stood together since we knew the government wanted to split us as it was easier to attack us this way, the shooters left us high and dry. But you could also blame the lurchermen as well. We don't have a voice like the shooting and fisherman have. We prefer to fight amoungst ourselves........ Quote Link to post
Sterry 0 Posted May 24, 2009 Report Share Posted May 24, 2009 no buster321c its not a crack at shooters its how do we work along side each other and not wipe out the countryside that we enjoy being in God knows how you expected us to deduce that from your first post. But the way to do it to ignore the barriers that have highlighted in this thread between dog and gun user and actually talk to each other, rather than slagging off their chosen sport. it not going to improve anything is it now Quote Link to post
Guest buster321c Posted May 24, 2009 Report Share Posted May 24, 2009 no buster321c its not a crack at shooters its how do we work along side each other and not wipe out the countryside that we enjoy being in I wonder if that would have been said if ide posted the same about dog lads need educating so we can get along ? Quote Link to post
woz 260 Posted May 24, 2009 Report Share Posted May 24, 2009 iv got rifles and some fairly handy lurchers....i shoot for pest control and run my dogs for plesure...round our way there plenty of inbreds with running dogs that have made the fox's lamp shy.which is fine because i get to do 550 yards head shots..its the sudden explosion of idiots with lurchers thats the problem..you see to own rifles you have to be fit and propper and have the ground to shoot over.with a dog you need enough to buy it and away you go....it made me laugh reading all the bullsh*t reports some of the super star lurcher boys were posting about the amount they were getting,as soon as it came to the thl compertition and there were people to gudge a varifiy the amounts they were getting the numbers drastically came down..that to me says there w#nkers... so before you start slagging rifle lads perhaps you could get your own house in order.............. Quote Link to post
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